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    sepheronx

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:49 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    The thing is, it became apparent after George Soro's email leaks proved how they were funding organizations to portray Putin as evil and to fight him because of how he returned traditionalism to Russia and is promoting traditionalism around Europe.
    I hadn't seen this e-mail leaks, could you share some sources with me, please?

    On contrary, Russia-insider does indeed post some pretty good stuff.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/dc-leaks-reveal-5th-column-soros-plan-counter-russian-foreign-policy-and-subvert-russian-traditional

    and on George Soros and Hillary Clinton:

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/all-lies-matter/ri16046

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:08 pm

    Great, thank you!
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:09 pm

    This guy is doing a good job mixing reality and fantasy(mostly fantasy).

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:21 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:This guy is doing a good job mixing reality and fantasy(mostly fantasy).


    The Caspian report is pure sewer garbage, they claimed that Russia destroying 1500 targets means only 1500 fighters killed, and 21780971087310127071028 civilians killed... lol1 I wouldn't be shocked if they're tied in to Eurasia.net.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Project Canada on Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:51 pm



    Leaked Clinton Emails Show Plans to Destroy Russia

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/clinton-plans-destroy-russia/ri16207
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:59 am

    Oh so the legendary Bombarding Company Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

    https://www.rt.com/uk/359471-uk-bbc-funding-propaganda/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  andalusia on Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:48 pm

    This is a good article about the effective propaganda of American patriotism:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201503/is-american-patriotism-getting-out-hand
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:05 am

    andalusia wrote:This is a good article about the effective propaganda of American patriotism:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201503/is-american-patriotism-getting-out-hand

    In spite of the alleged superiority of the "democratic, individualist" western populace, at the end of the day it is
    very socially and politically primitive. Some flag waving BS in the USA or Germany during the 1930s manages to
    rally the masses to every two bit political agenda of their elites. These "individualists" are not any sort of "crats"
    as in democracy. They do not rule, they follow like obedient doggies.

    Real democracy and activist, informed populations of real individuals would be an existential threat to elites by
    definition. The "demos" would be the elite. There is no country on Earth with such characteristics.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:14 pm

    There is no reason for trying to establish this kind of society - in every population there are folks who are simply smarter, more resourceful and more ambitious than others and they become the elite.

    We should be grateful and unimaginably happy that the battles between various factions of the "elite" now take place in the halls of parliament and financial amrkets and not on the battlefield as they used to a little more than 200 years ago.

    The uniqueness of modern Western world is that it gives a relatively high degree of personal freedom to individuals. You won't find this kind of freedom in Islamic societies for example.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:06 am


    The uniqueness of modern Western world is that it gives a relatively high degree of personal freedom to individuals.

    Hahahaha... there is nothing unique about the modern western world... it is a mish mash of ideas and concepts and moralities stolen from other cultures over the centuries.

    The west is the most controlled civilisation ever... in no time in history has a population had 24/7 constant propaganda from multiple media services from TV, radio, and print controlled by a few elite telling the people what to think or do... even entertainment is used to push opinions and to bend morals.

    When a respected journalist of 20-30 years loses her job overnight because she said something along the lines of the Palestinians are getting a raw deal from Israel... what does that say about journalism... what does that say to other journalists?

    How does that effect the product supplied to the western public?

    Israel can bomb a US ship in international waters and murder or injure half the crew and nothing is said because the incumbent president of the US needed campaign fund support and the Jewish lobby is generous with its funding.

    Well that is the Jews, what other groups are also getting away with murder because they are also funding politicians... is that democracy?

    Who knows when you don't have a free and independent media to tell you.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:45 pm

    https://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2016/10/facebook-twitter-western-media-attempt.html

    Facebook, Twitter, Western Media Attempt to Reassert Monopoly Over "Truth"
    A network whose members have literally ended the lives of millions with their lies, propose to police the web and verify the truth.

    October 3, 2016 (Ulson Gunnar - NEO) - In a surreal and stunning example of 21st century propaganda and censorship, Google has cobbled together a coalition it is calling "First Draft" to tackle what it calls "misinformation online."

    Must be that famous "western" (aka NATO) "freedom".
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:06 am

    Good read for kvs:

    The West’s Weaponisation of Corruption Indexes
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:05 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Good read for kvs:

    The West’s Weaponisation of Corruption Indexes

    Nice article. This same scamming applies across the full spectrum of information and policy. The CPI was always a joke since it
    ranked Mexico and India much higher than Russia. Nobody with a clue would swallow such shite. Mexico is infested with narco-mafia
    that has turned the north of the country into a quasi-governed domain. In India we had $14 billion in food aid stolen to be
    sold for money. In the case of Russia all I hear is complete nonsense such as the Sochi Olympics costing $54 billion. No they cost
    under $10 billion and the rest of the money was for the massive infrastructure projects (including roads and railways through long tunnels dug
    out of mountains) that were completed on time. Of course Russia has corruption. But so does every member of NATO. And the relative
    scale of it is so vast like the TI "NGO" would have you believe.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:13 pm

    OMG, Trump basically called the media on there bias BS also complaining that this election is rigged then Guiliani and i think kinkrich basically confirmed not just the media bias, but also the rigged votes, now CNN is on full damage control, damn man. Shocked

    P.S: Wasn't sure where to post this, so i put it here.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Khepesh on Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:47 pm

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Godric on Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:08 pm

    Khepesh wrote:

    natwest bank is owned by The Royal Bank of Scotland which in turn is owned by the UK government .... this instruction came from the UK government
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:38 pm

    England is a laughing stock.Basically is London metropolitan area. Everything outside London is occupied territory, they don't even have the right to speak.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  calm on Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:12 am








    Russophobia and the dark art of making an anti-Russian magazine cover



    Chances are, if a story about Russia appears on the cover of a major Western magazine, it’s not good news. Most likely, there’s been an international scandal, a breakout of geopolitical tensions, the resumption of Cold War hostilities, or some nefarious Russian plot to bring the entire free world to its knees.
    Russophobia — or the unnatural fear of Russia — generally leads magazine editors to choose the most over-the-top images to convey Russia as a backwards, clumsy, non-Western and aggressively malevolent power. Unfortunately, that’s led to a few rules of thumb for anyone trying to create a magazine cover featuring Russia. You can think of these rules as the dark art of making an anti-Russian magazine cover:
    OPTION 1: Go with the Russian bear
    This is a no-brainer, actually, and pretty much the default option for any magazine editor. The symbol of the Russian bear is universally understood to be the symbol of Russia, so it’s an immediate attention-grabber that readers will grasp quickly. After all, for centuries, Western satirists have used the Russian bear as a symbol of imperial aggression.
    Given the latest round of U.S.-Russian tensions over the Ukraine crisis, the key is to make the Russian bear look as scary as possible. Take the May/June 2016 cover from Foreign Affairs, for example:


    The cover title seems relatively harmless — “Putin’s Russia: Down But Not Out.” But check out the image of the bear — it’s bloodied and still relatively menacing, despite being bruised and battered — check out the red, bloodshot eyes and the sharp claws. Definitely not someone you’d want to mess with, even after a few shots of vodka.
    And Foreign Affairs is not the only magazine to go the full bear with the cover. Ahead of the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014, Bloomberg BusinessWeek went with what has to be the scariest, most menacing Russia bear that’s ever appeared on the cover of a magazine. The magazine shows a malevolent bear on a pair of skis wearing a Russian hockey jersey, armed to the teeth (literally), with the headline: “Is Russia Ready?”

    This Olympic cover immediately calls to mind a cover story TIME ran on Russia (then the Soviet Union) ahead of the 1984 Los Angeles Summer Olympics — “Olympic Turmoil: Why the Soviets Said Nyet.” Here you have a menacing (and slightly psychotic-looking) Russian bear chewing on the Olympic rings:

    There are other options, of course, if you don’t want to go with the anthropomorphic bear. In late 2014, The Economist pulled off a story about “Russia’s Wounded Economy” after Western sanctions and falling oil prices — it showed a bear stalking through the wintry, Siberian snow with bloody footprints:

    But you probably want to emphasize either the claws or teeth of the Russian bear, right? So here’s a terrifying image of a Russian bear “welcoming” U.S. President Barack Obama to Moscow:


    OPTION 2: Go with Vladimir Putin
    The next best choice after using the Russian bear is the image of Vladimir Putin. After all, in the minds of most Western readers, Putin is Russia and Russia is Putin.
    If you’re ready to head down this road, then an image of an evil James Bond villain, hatching a diabolical plot to take over the world, might work. This 2014 Newsweek cover of Putin, showing him and the menacing sunglasses, is a classic:

    To play up the Soviet spy background of Putin, you could try using an image of him wearing sunglasses in a grim-looking Red Square (Gray Square!):

    A variant of the James Bond villain look is the classic “moody Putin” look that’s been around for almost a decade. This image somehow captures the Western perception of Russia as a vast, unsmiling wasteland full of snow, ice and a vast moral void. Who better to run that country than an unsmiling dictator? What started it all was this TIME magazine cover naming Putin as “Person of the Year”:

    From there, the moody, unsmiling Putin image took off. Pull your camera angle back from the close-up of Putin’s face and you get this — “the unsmiling tsar”:
    Which, of course, led to the cover of this 2015 book by Steven Lee Myers of the New York Times:

    Of course, the moody, unsmiling, sour-looking Putin can be updated to make him look like a gangster:

    Or a Mario Puzo-style mafia don:

    If you really want to grab the reader’s attention, though, go for the shirtless Putin. The shirtless Vladimir Putin is a classic Internet meme, of course. (Google: Shirtless Putin hummingbird hamster) The meme of a shirtless Putin doing manly things is so popular that “The Simpsons” even used the image of a completely naked Putin on horseback (bareback?) around the time of the Crimea crisis:

    Look long enough, and you start to see images of shirtless Vladimir Putins Photoshopped on top of everything. So it’s perhaps no big surprise that the shirtless Vladimir Putin has ended up on the cover of a few major magazines, including this classic Economist cover where he’s shirtless on top of a Russian tank:

    And shirtless while playing poker:

    But, if you want an image of Putin, and you also want to keep things classy, how about a mashup of Putin and a classic symbol of Russian culture, like ballet or ice skating? In 2014, The New Yorker pulled off a cover of Putin, pirouetting through the air during the Sochi Winter Olympics, while a bunch of Putin yes-man clones give him top marks for his performance:

    And, here’s another cover featuring Putin as an ice skater, this time from The Economist:

    But here’s the twist — note the fallen Russian figure skater on the ice and the suggestion that the Sochi Olympics were basically a giant personal ego project for Putin. (Also note the subtext of the imagery — whereas Putin usually opts for “macho” sports like hunting, swimming and hockey, this cover shows him as a slightly effeminate ice skater. Look at the hands!!!)
    OPTION 3: Go with a classic image of Russia, slightly twisted
    If you’re tired of using the Russian bear image and you’re concerned that putting Vladimir Putin on the cover of your magazine might create a few unsavory possibilities for your editorial team (Russian spies! Russian mafia! Russian hooligans!), there’s the old standby — the matryoshka image. This, of course, conveys the enigmatic nature of Russia — the old “riddle inside an enigma wrapped in a mystery” of Winston Churchill:

    But why stop there? To convey the threatening nature of all things Russia, maybe it’s just easier just to come out and show the Russian missiles, tanks, weapons and troops directly:

    What all these magazine covers have in common, of course, is their Russophobia. These magazine covers are not so much different from the images that appeared a hundred years ago, when Russia really was an enigma unknown to the West. In fact, the image of Russia as a big, clumsy and aggressive state dates all the way back to the 16th century, and not much seems to have changed since then.
    There’s always been a sense in Western media circles that a giant power in the middle of the Eurasian landmass posed a threat to someone — and maybe to everyone:

    Although, in all fairness, the image of the Russian bear is probably preferable to the image of the Russian octopus:

    Which leads to the obvious question — Are these images of Russia from 100 years ago really so much different from the images appearing today in Western mass media?
    At a time when the Kremlin has called on the Culture Ministry to investigate anti-Russian propaganda and Russophobia in the West, this question isn’t very hard to answer.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Khepesh on Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:11 am

    Different type of propaganda.
    "History" according to TSN. It says that at 0400 on the morning of July 22 Kiev was bombed by Soviet aircraft, and the use of modern and not 1941 borders and the use of "СРСР" is a further bizarre twisting of reality by attempting to say Soviet Union was "Union of Russian Socialist Republics". Control of history and what is taught in schools is the biggest propaganda weapon there is, as when the "sheeple" have been taught the big lies and think they are reality, the crude poster type propaganda is hardly needed.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:39 pm

    Unreal... No
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 25, 2016 6:34 pm

    In other news the White House has accused Russia of....*DRUMROLL*....fabricating the Northern Lights! No seriously! Meth, Crack, PCP, Shrooms....not even once!

    So, For How Long has Washington been on Dope?

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:46 pm

    Brazilian lawyer Janaina Paschoal (author of the impeachment law against former president Dilma Rousseff) said that Russia is about to invade Brazil through Venezuela. Most Brazilians are, of course, laughing, and created many memes. But one of the biggest Brazilian newspapers (Folha de São Paulo) seems to be taking it seriously, even linking somehow the new RS-28 Sarmat missile with the invasion (the ridiculous title reads: "Russia could invade Brazil with Satan 2 missile".
    http://afolhabrasil.com.br/politica/russia-pode-invadir-o-brasil-com-o-missil-sata-2/
    Couldn't find anything in English, though.
    Even if Putin had any will to invade Brazil (and I am sure he hasn't), I think I don't need to list the reasons why it is just impossible.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  kvs on Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:50 pm

    Svyatoslavich wrote:Brazilian lawyer Janaina Paschoal (author of the impeachment law against former president Dilma Rousseff) said that Russia is about to invade Brazil through Venezuela. Most Brazilians are, of course, laughing, and created many memes. But one of the biggest Brazilian newspapers (Folha de São Paulo) seems to be taking it seriously, even linking somehow the new RS-28 Sarmat missile with the invasion (the ridiculous title reads: "Russia could invade Brazil with Satan 2 missile".
    http://afolhabrasil.com.br/politica/russia-pode-invadir-o-brasil-com-o-missil-sata-2/
    Couldn't find anything in English, though.
    Even if Putin had any will to invade Brazil (and I am sure he hasn't), I think I don't need to list the reasons why it is just impossible.

    I am sad that Latin America is so badly f*cked up. The people there are nice and don't deserve the shit regimes and Uncle Scumbag bootlick
    elites and mass media. To worry about Russia when Uncle Scumbag has his schlong up Latin America's collect anus is simply too much.

    Note how this time around the Russian bogeyman is supposedly invading instead of spreading commie revolution.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:42 pm

    kvs wrote:I am sad that Latin America is so badly f*cked up.   The people there are nice and don't deserve the shit regimes and Uncle Scumbag bootlick
    elites and mass media.   To worry about Russia when Uncle Scumbag has his schlong up Latin America's collect anus is simply too much.  

    Note how this time around the Russian bogeyman is supposedly invading instead of spreading commie revolution.
    The worst part is that there is no alternative. It is not that the previous, leftist government, was a good option: it was severely ideologized with wrong economical policies, behind the curtains had their agreement with Washigton despite their "anti-imperialistic" rhetorics, and was corrupt to the core (just like the current government, by the way). The same is valid for Argentina and Venezuela. No Putin in the region, unfortunately.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:22 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    kvs wrote:I am sad that Latin America is so badly f*cked up.   The people there are nice and don't deserve the shit regimes and Uncle Scumbag bootlick
    elites and mass media.   To worry about Russia when Uncle Scumbag has his schlong up Latin America's collect anus is simply too much.  

    Note how this time around the Russian bogeyman is supposedly invading instead of spreading commie revolution.
    The worst part is that there is no alternative. It is not that the previous, leftist government, was a good option: it was severely ideologized with wrong economical policies, behind the curtains had their agreement with Washigton despite their "anti-imperialistic" rhetorics, and was corrupt to the core (just like the current government, by the way). The same is valid for Argentina and Venezuela. No Putin in the region, unfortunately.


    Well in other news, it looks like South Korea's Park Geun-hye is likely going to get the same treatment, probably because she's not a big enough hawk:

    http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/03/the-scandal-around-park-geun-hye-and-choi-soon-sil-pre-election-exacerbation/

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