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    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:19 pm

    good video from rt. russia russia

    https://www.facebook.com/RTvids/videos/1166843899992528/
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:39 am

    Man whose evidence BBC used to suggest Putin corrupt found guilty of lying to UK High Court:

    'Kremlin's Banker' and lover of Alexandra Tolstoy faces prison sentence

    ...Yet another Liberasthole propped up by the West turns out to be a crook after alll.... lol1
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    Worst type of propaganda, one that people actually like to watch
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Mar 27, 2016 3:25 am

    We always hear the USSR's war in Afghanistan as the Western media's 'go-to' example of a military 'quagmire'....well let's look at 4 famous military quagmire's: USSR in Afghanistan, US/NATO in Afghanistan, US/NATO in Iraq, US in Vietnam and determine which were the real quagmires...Wink

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    Post  Khepesh on Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:04 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Totalitarianism in Orwell's "1984" was blown out of proportion on purpose. It was not meant to be a vision of future events but a satirical interpretation of events in Orwell's lifetime. No country ever reached this level of social control and this level will never be reached.

    You guys are really ovesensitive. You elevate US support for Islamists out of political necessity to the rank of arch-crime but completely miss all wars that would start with no global hegemony in place. We are living in most peaceful times in history. Really.

    It is irrelevant what Orwell was specifically writing about, the machinations of a socialist/totalitarian state that he called "Eurasia" which was a euphemism for Soviet Union. What is important are the mechanisms of state control that he described. "Newspeak" is seen everyday in the evil abortion that is "Political correctness". "Doublethink" is the mental contortions that people have to engage in in order to say what they mean without having the hammer of "political correctness" coming down on them. "Doublethink" is perhaps more evil than "political correctness" because in order to engage in "doublethink" you have to partially think like the state wants you to think in order to see what it is that you must not say clearly. It is a form of self brainwashing as the longer you need to indulge in "doublethink", then the greater the chance that you may start to believe the lies. While Orwell did not invent the concept of "Groupthink", it is clear that it is born out of "doublethink" and became a bizarre means of self and group enforcement of thought and word.

    In other areas we have surpassed Orwell. All our electronic means of communication are watched by the state, no matter what country we live in. We are watched physically by CCTV, either ourselves directly or our vehicles. Our use of bank/credit cards, what we buy, can be monitored.  In "1984" the excuse used by the state to have these controls was "perpetual war", an ever present enemy, an entity for the population to fear and hate. Before 1991 the West had Soviet Union, but then, for a time,  a new enemy was needed, enter the Arabs as "bogeyman", and "nationalism", and enter Yugoslavia. "Racists" make a convenient "enemy of the people", yet bizarrely those who go red in the face screaming about "racists" are the same people who hate those who do not fit their view of how we should all be, and they even deny the fact that there are different races. This contradiction is never explained, only screamed at. I have a lot of experience in this Orwellian aspect due to my interest in Egypt, and have confronted the ignorant and very malicious ultra politcally correct American "Afro-centrists" many times. Orwellianism involves the creation of enemies, the creation of crimes and levels of crimes, an example that predates Orwell is that of  quarter, half, or horror, full Trotskyists, in 30s. It involves making ordinary people think they are criminals even if they are not. It involves making those who do not believe all that the state and it's propaganda machine say, feel as if they are the only people who think that way, that they are "outsiders". Media, particulary TV is very good at doing that. It involves making it seem that those who question the state are mentally ill, again an example from the past is that those who were seen as "outgroup" suddenly found themselves in state pyschiatric "hospitals" and diagnosed with "Slow developing schizophrenia", the symptoms being - stubbornness - inflexibility of political convictions - reformist delusions. I see signs of this returning, not in Russia, but in the West and under the curious concept of "cognitive distortions".

    We have moved beyond 1984 in ways that Orwell did not envisage, but would fully understand if he were alive now. I also note that those who deny that the world becomes more and more Orwellian, and even deny the existance of "political correctness", are those who are the practitioners of this sinister system or who are control freaks.

    Edit: And I never even mentioned "thought crime" and the modern nonsense of "hate crime", which is itself a form of "thought crime".
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:55 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Totalitarianism in Orwell's "1984" was blown out of proportion on purpose. It was not meant to be a vision of future events but a satirical interpretation of events in Orwell's lifetime. No country ever reached this level of social control and this level will never be reached.

    You guys are really ovesensitive. You elevate US support for Islamists out of political necessity to the rank of arch-crime but completely miss all wars that would start with no global hegemony in place. We are living in most peaceful times in history. Really.

    It is irrelevant what Orwell was specifically writing about, the machinations of a socialist/totalitarian state that he called "Eurasia" which was a euphemism for Soviet Union. What is important are the mechanisms of state control that he described. "Newspeak" is seen everyday in the evil abortion that is "Political correctness". "Doublethink" is the mental contortions that people have to engage in in order to say what they mean without having the hammer of "political correctness" coming down on them. "Doublethink" is perhaps more evil than "political correctness" because in order to engage in "doublethink" you have to partially think like the state wants you to think in order to see what it is that you must not say clearly. It is a form of self brainwashing as the longer you need to indulge in "doublethink", then the greater the chance that you may start to believe the lies. While Orwell did not invent the concept of "Groupthink", it is clear that it is born out of "doublethink" and became a bizarre means of self and group enforcement of thought and word.

    In other areas we have surpassed Orwell. All our electronic means of communication are watched by the state, no matter what country we live in. We are watched physically by CCTV, either ourselves directly or our vehicles. Our use of bank/credit cards, what we buy, can be monitored.  In "1984" the excuse used by the state to have these controls was "perpetual war", an ever present enemy, an entity for the population to fear and hate. Before 1991 the West had Soviet Union, but then, for a time,  a new enemy was needed, enter the Arabs as "bogeyman", and "nationalism", and enter Yugoslavia. "Racists" make a convenient "enemy of the people", yet bizarrely those who go red in the face screaming about "racists" are the same people who hate those who do not fit their view of how we should all be, and they even deny the fact that there are different races. This contradiction is never explained, only screamed at. I have a lot of experience in this Orwellian aspect due to my interest in Egypt, and have confronted the ignorant and very malicious ultra politcally correct American "Afro-centrists" many times. Orwellianism involves the creation of enemies, the creation of crimes and levels of crimes, an example that predates Orwell is that of  quarter, half, or horror, full Trotskyists, in 30s. It involves making ordinary people think they are criminals even if they are not. It involves making those who do not believe all that the state and it's propaganda machine say, feel as if they are the only people who think that way, that they are "outsiders". Media, particulary TV is very good at doing that. It involves making it seem that those who question the state are mentally ill, again an example from the past is that those who were seen as "outgroup" suddenly found themselves in state pyschiatric "hospitals" and diagnosed with "Slow developing schizophrenia", the symptoms being - stubbornness - inflexibility of political convictions - reformist delusions. I see signs of this returning, not in Russia, but in the West and under the curious concept of "cognitive distortions".

    We have moved beyond 1984 in ways that Orwell did not envisage, but would fully understand if he were alive now. I also note that those who deny that the world becomes more and more Orwellian, and even deny the existance of "political correctness", are those who are the practitioners of this sinister system or who are control freaks.

    Edit: And I never even mentioned "thought crime" and the modern nonsense of "hate crime", which is itself a form of "thought crime".

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    Post  kvs on Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:32 am

    Khepesh wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Totalitarianism in Orwell's "1984" was blown out of proportion on purpose. It was not meant to be a vision of future events but a satirical interpretation of events in Orwell's lifetime. No country ever reached this level of social control and this level will never be reached.

    You guys are really ovesensitive. You elevate US support for Islamists out of political necessity to the rank of arch-crime but completely miss all wars that would start with no global hegemony in place. We are living in most peaceful times in history. Really.

    It is irrelevant what Orwell was specifically writing about, the machinations of a socialist/totalitarian state that he called "Eurasia" which was a euphemism for Soviet Union. What is important are the mechanisms of state control that he described. "Newspeak" is seen everyday in the evil abortion that is "Political correctness". "Doublethink" is the mental contortions that people have to engage in in order to say what they mean without having the hammer of "political correctness" coming down on them. "Doublethink" is perhaps more evil than "political correctness" because in order to engage in "doublethink" you have to partially think like the state wants you to think in order to see what it is that you must not say clearly. It is a form of self brainwashing as the longer you need to indulge in "doublethink", then the greater the chance that you may start to believe the lies. While Orwell did not invent the concept of "Groupthink", it is clear that it is born out of "doublethink" and became a bizarre means of self and group enforcement of thought and word.

    In other areas we have surpassed Orwell. All our electronic means of communication are watched by the state, no matter what country we live in. We are watched physically by CCTV, either ourselves directly or our vehicles. Our use of bank/credit cards, what we buy, can be monitored.  In "1984" the excuse used by the state to have these controls was "perpetual war", an ever present enemy, an entity for the population to fear and hate. Before 1991 the West had Soviet Union, but then, for a time,  a new enemy was needed, enter the Arabs as "bogeyman", and "nationalism", and enter Yugoslavia. "Racists" make a convenient "enemy of the people", yet bizarrely those who go red in the face screaming about "racists" are the same people who hate those who do not fit their view of how we should all be, and they even deny the fact that there are different races. This contradiction is never explained, only screamed at. I have a lot of experience in this Orwellian aspect due to my interest in Egypt, and have confronted the ignorant and very malicious ultra politcally correct American "Afro-centrists" many times. Orwellianism involves the creation of enemies, the creation of crimes and levels of crimes, an example that predates Orwell is that of  quarter, half, or horror, full Trotskyists, in 30s. It involves making ordinary people think they are criminals even if they are not. It involves making those who do not believe all that the state and it's propaganda machine say, feel as if they are the only people who think that way, that they are "outsiders". Media, particulary TV is very good at doing that. It involves making it seem that those who question the state are mentally ill, again an example from the past is that those who were seen as "outgroup" suddenly found themselves in state pyschiatric "hospitals" and diagnosed with "Slow developing schizophrenia", the symptoms being - stubbornness - inflexibility of political convictions - reformist delusions. I see signs of this returning, not in Russia, but in the West and under the curious concept of "cognitive distortions".

    We have moved beyond 1984 in ways that Orwell did not envisage, but would fully understand if he were alive now. I also note that those who deny that the world becomes more and more Orwellian, and even deny the existance of "political correctness", are those who are the practitioners of this sinister system or who are control freaks.

    Edit: And I never even mentioned "thought crime" and the modern nonsense of "hate crime", which is itself a form of "thought crime".

    It does not take much to brainwash the masses. Take your "afro-centrist" example on Egypt. Many people now think that the ancient Egyptians were black.
    This is because they were fed some images in the popular entertainment realm that promoted this view. One example is SG-1 where they have some negro
    pharaoh image in the entry credits. Cleopatra was a fricking Greek and not some African (http://blog.oup.com/2010/12/cleopatra-2/). There were black Egyptians,
    the Nubians and they even ruled upper and lower Egypt for a while (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia). But who needs actual history when some Hollywood BS
    will convince millions overnight. Most people are idiots and are begging to be used and abused. This is the root most of humanity's problems.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:15 pm

    This is how the Western propagamedia describe the matyr of Palmyra.

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    Post  Guest on Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:38 pm

    Sputnik News to be blocked by Latvian authorities it seems:

    "Sputnik Latvia received an official notification of the closure of the resource in the domain zone.lv. According to an official letter from the registrar of the domain, referring to the request the Latvian Foreign Ministry, "the domain name registration sputniknews.lv a breach of the EU Council Regulation concerning restrictive measures against the threat of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine." The letter states that the violation of the said decision may be grounds for criminal prosecution."
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:43 pm

    Militarov wrote:Sputnik News to be  blocked by Latvian authorities it seems:

    "Sputnik Latvia received an official notification of the closure of the resource in the domain zone.lv. According to an official letter from the registrar of the domain, referring to the request the Latvian Foreign Ministry, "the domain name registration sputniknews.lv a breach of the EU Council Regulation concerning restrictive measures against the threat of territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine." The letter states that the violation of the said decision may be grounds for criminal prosecution."

    Yet more free-press suppression from the Baltic bootlickers.
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    Post  Guest on Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:20 am



    I am not sure what to think of this....
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:39 am

    Look at the Apps/addons and tools that are abused and use double standards.

    WOT an addon for browsers which indicate the safety of websites prior to going on them, based on their content by "users".

    So when they are safe the ring is green, when they are not it is red, when it is suspicious it is yellow with further information to which reasons when you click on it.

    Here for Russia insider it is yellow and security safety is "not secure enough" why that is i will come to it in a second.

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    BBC WOT rating is green reason for that is politics and religious content.

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    So let us see what the comments and "users" experience and rating is based on.

    Here a screen shot from WOT's security check of Russia Insider and we have one user there Amnesty Int.


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    Which says "Just another pro-krelm propaganda project"

    If that is Amnesty Intl. or not can't be checked but all comments are retarded and are all "Kremln financed" aswell that this is all in perfect russian suggests that it is an ukrofascist or one of the 5th columnists who post that garbage.

    Let us see what WOT users say about BBC, the well known MI5 infiltrated news network that has been caught red handed several times in reporting and orchastrating fake interviews, war reports with actors, terrorist actors and just lying about lot of stuff and well known for 99% onesided agenda.

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    The ratings are all buried of people critizing it as being one sided and not trustworthy under the mass of "100% perfect trustworthy news" "users" among them ukrofascist Amnesty Intl. nicknamed user.

    Ukrainain users post there and a shit load of probably paid people just like paid people to call Russia Insider a krelmn propaganda while it is a western source.

    This are the average methods of western propaganda just like on wikishmedia where hasbara and other shills are paid big money to buy admin rights to edit stuff like they see fit for their propaganda.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:56 pm

    Only retards need some app to tell them what is "safe" to read. People with functional intelligence can make their
    own decisions. Unfortunately, most people on this planet do not have a sufficiently high level of intelligence to think
    for themselves and need Big Brother (in all of his many forms) to think for them.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:17 pm

    Amnesty international has been criticized by nearly everyone, including US, for one sided reporting. So chances it is a Ukrainian branch doing the trolling. Won't help them of course.
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    Post  Guest on Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:51 pm

    As developer i can tell you that those "tools" are literally useless. As you can with professonal VPN solution and small script literally change one site rating in matter of hours.
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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:00 pm

    kvs wrote:Only retards need some app to tell them what is "safe" to read.   People with functional intelligence can make their
    own decisions.   Unfortunately, most people on this planet do not have a sufficiently high level of intelligence to think
    for themselves and need Big Brother (in all of his many forms) to think for them.

    Go on tank-net forum and see for yourself how safe some sites are cancerous with phishing ware.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:35 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    kvs wrote:Only retards need some app to tell them what is "safe" to read.   People with functional intelligence can make their
    own decisions.   Unfortunately, most people on this planet do not have a sufficiently high level of intelligence to think
    for themselves and need Big Brother (in all of his many forms) to think for them.

    Go on tank-net forum and see for yourself how safe some sites are cancerous with phishing ware.

    Your post read as if it was about politics and not malicious websites per se. I know about phishing and
    Trojan uploading. Many people I know have their machines infested. They browse without thinking.
    I turn javascript off.
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    Post  max steel on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:04 pm

    The Guardian ran a lead story on Putin’s “corruption.” From what I have seen it is another “maybe,” “probably,” “possibly,” and “could be” piece of hit job journalism. Also, Luke Harding – the laughing stock of Russia watching - writes it. Money and power always co-mingle – in Russia it is not different from anywhere else in the world.


    Here is the precise scheme


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    Post  kvs on Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:52 am

    max steel wrote:The Guardian ran a lead story on Putin’s “corruption.” From what I have seen it is another “maybe,” “probably,” “possibly,” and “could be” piece of hit job journalism. Also, Luke Harding – the laughing stock of Russia watching - writes it. Money and power always co-mingle – in Russia it is not different from anywhere else in the world.


    Here is the precise scheme


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    The previous widely repeated claim was that Putin had $40 billion. Now they are yapping about $2 billion without any actual evidence.
    What happened to the $38 billion difference?

    This is a pathetic NATzO attempt to stir up the same crap as in Brazil. Except Brazil has serious corruption problems for real while
    the accusations against Putin are pure fiction. If Putin was corrupt, he would have whored Russia out to NATzO and Uncle Scam
    for a fee. It is the fact that he is willing to live like an ascetic that removes him from NATzO control and drives the lunatic elites
    running the west mad with rage.
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    Post  Godric on Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:25 pm

    kvs wrote:
    max steel wrote:The Guardian ran a lead story on Putin’s “corruption.” From what I have seen it is another “maybe,” “probably,” “possibly,” and “could be” piece of hit job journalism. Also, Luke Harding – the laughing stock of Russia watching - writes it. Money and power always co-mingle – in Russia it is not different from anywhere else in the world.


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    The previous widely repeated claim was that Putin had $40 billion.  Now they are yapping about $2 billion without any actual evidence.
    What happened to the $38 billion difference?  

    This is a pathetic NATzO attempt to stir up the same crap as in Brazil.   Except Brazil has serious corruption problems for real while
    the accusations against Putin are pure fiction.   If Putin was corrupt, he would have whored Russia out to NATzO and Uncle Scam
    for a fee.   It is the fact that he is willing to live like an ascetic that removes him from NATzO control and drives the lunatic elites
    running the west mad with rage.  

    the UK newspapers are running with pictures of Putin in their front pages yet his name is not even on the list of the people involved in the scheme .... fucking disgraceful (pardon my French) yet David Cameron's late father was one of the people on the list ... shocking stuff
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    Post  Godric on Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:32 pm

    kvs wrote:Only retards need some app to tell them what is "safe" to read.   People with functional intelligence can make their
    own decisions.   Unfortunately, most people on this planet do not have a sufficiently high level of intelligence to think
    for themselves and need Big Brother (in all of his many forms) to think for them.

    if I use or install internet explorer 11 it tries to block Russian Defence.net as a severe safety risk .... the risk must be that their afraid I and others find out the truth that the west are lying two face k*nts
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:49 pm

    Use Firefox instead.
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    Post  max steel on Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:56 pm

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-03/unprecedented-leak-exposes-criminal-financial-dealings-some-worlds-wealthiest-people
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:51 pm

    To be honest i would from now on avoid anything from Windows and Apple, two major whores in bed and sucking off CIA and US, so many surveillance and backdoors in their systems.
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    PANAMA PAPERS: HYBRID WAR TAKES AN UNEXPECTED TURN
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