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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Kysusha on Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:03 am

    The Issue here Gary is; – the West want the continuation of these “wars” and the more terror weapons the terrorists have, the more they can control the mass public with laws to “curtain” the terrorists. Just look at the draconian laws and incredible abuse of personal freedom and liberties that followed in the wake of the 9/11 own goal!

    With the pull out of Afghanistan imminent, there has to be something else to move onto – “War is inherent in capitalism” – Karl Marx. The evidence for all to see is as plain as a nose on a face – since the First World War, [the loss of the Gold Standard and the introduction of FIAT money], this world has continually been at war. War spread by capitalist democracy as the vehicle of the Joo Central Banks. With Capitalism, there can be no standing still, you either grow or get swallowed up. The scenario is now set for the “bubble to burst” as a result of the rampant growth in the amount of printed money and the supposed US National debt. Yanks, controlled by their Joo based Federal Reserve – [incidentally, look at a US banknote and you will see it is the property of the Federal Reserve, not the Property of the Government] and continuously exported war and destruction around the world to secure growth of wealth. Look at the latest example in Libya – all the country’s infrastructure was targeted and destroyed by bombing – which in itself is a war crime – FUSUK moves in with a the Central Banks loan money to help to rebuild; money that the Central Banks get the Fed Reserve to print, The Fed Reserve charges the US govt for the privilege of printing that money and then charges the US government interest on the money “loaned” while at the same time, getting the FUSUK sponsored companies to pay interest on the money that was loaned to “rebuild” what they had destroyed! . How all very convenient – a neat little “money-go-round” and the banks get richer and richer for printing Monopoly money. Same thing happened in Iraq – they are trying the same scenario in Syria.

    Now Jooland is threatening an “Shock and Awe” against Iran, which will be nothing more than blatant open aggression against a sovereign state – yet another war crime to chalk up against the whole Axis of Evil! .

    The Al Qaeda groups [established and supported by FUSUKI – yes you can guess what country is the “I”] are the perfect terrorist group to give chemical weapons too. They are sufficiently ingrained in the Western psyche as the number one bogymen as to allow any laws or conditions to be implemented to “Stop” them! Let them take over Syria and then they can “threaten Jooland” and we can have a real ding-dong war in the region.

    The only way we can stop them is to get rid of Israeli government and the Zionists in control of FUSUK governments. It is the administrations we need to target, not the leaders – the leaders are every bit as much puppets as most others are – notice how many US Presidents we have had since WWII and yet we have continually been at war???! Are you going to argue that ALL the Presidents have been warmongers?? No, it’s been the grey suits behind the presidents that are the problem – the Central Bank controlled Zionists.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:44 am

    Now Jooland is threatening an “Shock and Awe” against Iran, which will be nothing more than blatant open aggression against a sovereign state – yet another war crime to chalk up against the whole Axis of Evil! .

    The amusing thing is that it will be heralded as an example of preemptive self defence... Israels right to defend itself!

    The irony in the amusement is that when Japan preemptively self defended in December 7th, 1941 the general attitude in the US was quite different.

    Clearly the message is that countries under sanction have no rights to self defence or anything else for that matter, while Israel, like the US has the right to do anything.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:16 pm

    few people point out that the US of A gave those chemical weapons to saddam with whom he commited many atrocities
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  SOC on Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:20 pm

    Kysusha wrote:incidentally, look at a US banknote and you will see it is the property of the Federal Reserve, not the Property of the Government

    Just to nitpick: that's like saying a document or item labeled as property of the Department of Defense isn't government property. The Federal Reserve is actually part of the government; it was established by Congress and has both public and private aspects. The Board is appointed by the President and approved by Congress, and there is Congressional oversight although the Fed can make a lot of policy independently. The Fed is basically the Treasury Department's bank, which is partly why it is not part of the Treasury Department.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:54 am


    Just to nitpick: that's like saying a document or item labeled as property of the Department of Defense isn't government property.

    But hang on... if that nitpick is valid then couldn't you make the argument that the CIA is also part of the US government and therefore its actions are therefore US government actions too.

    Wasn't the CIA created to avoid accountability?

    Isn't that alone reason to deny the US any official position of world leader or world police?

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  SOC on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:58 pm

    The key there is that both CIA and the Fed can operate somewhat independently of official government policy to achieve their own goals. They do however both submit to government oversight, i.e. their own goals are government-approved.

    As far as being the world's police force, here's an idea: get people to stop asking us to do it. I don't mean relatively unilateral actions like Iraq 2003, either. If you don't want us to act that way (which I don't think we should anyway), then eliminate the voices complaining for action in places like Rwanda.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:07 am

    As far as being the world's police force, here's an idea: get people to stop asking us to do it. I don't mean relatively unilateral actions like Iraq 2003, either. If you don't want us to act that way (which I don't think we should anyway), then eliminate the voices complaining for action in places like Rwanda.

    Don't try to be cute Sean... you know full well that there will always be voices asking the US to come in and overthrow their enemies and that such voices are used when the US wants to come in and overthrow and just as easily ignored when it doesn't suit the US.

    Hence calls from anti Gaddafi forces get a no fly zone and lots of weapons, while calls for more democracy in Bahrain fall on deaf ears. Razz

    Don't shift the blame to the voices... they have always been there and always will.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  SOC on Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:36 pm

    I'm not shifting blame, I just want people to acknowledge that the voices are also part of the problem.

    Do we need to stop listening to people like the Libyan rebels who are not in fact the Libyan government (or at least weren't back then)? That much is obvious. Internal problems should be handled internally, be it Libya, Syria, or Rwanda. Or the FRY, for that matter. This should, however, apply to everyone, with everyone meaning external state actors imposing themselves on the internal problems of another state. We should've left the Libyan separatists alone. Others should've also done the same thing in 2008.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:29 am

    Come now Sean... are you trying to tell us that the US went in to various countries because they were asked?

    I would suggest it is rather more likely they made the decision to go in without even listening for voices... the voices came later, or indeed could have been fabricated to support a decision already made.

    There is no rush to give Bahrain democracy.

    They went in to "free" Kuwaite from Iraqi occupation, but they didn't do it to give Kuwaite democracy either... it was to secure Saudi oil from Saddams grasp.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  SOC on Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:45 am

    GarryB wrote:Come now Sean... are you trying to tell us that the US went in to various countries because they were asked?

    Of course not, at least not all of the time. We're quite capable of unilateral action, thank you very much What a Face But when an external actor like the UN or NATO or an internal actor like the government of a foreign state asks/suggests/requests intervention/assistance with some issue, they are serving as part of the overall problem. Were we to adopt a sort of international relations isolationist but international economic opportunist stance we might find ourselves involved in far less crap around the world.

    Although, personally, that might not be a bright idea either. From one perspective, I'd sometimes rather my government be screwing up your country...because at the end of the day that means it has that much less time to spend screwing up mine!

    Oh, and to the original question...chemical weapons should probably not be considered WMDs, as they do not technically cause mass destruction. Mass-casualty weapons, sure. Politically considering them WMDs for the purpose of retaliation, I am perfectly fine with that, although that does tend to contradict the other statement to a degree.
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    Russian Cyber Skills better than China and Israel - US analyst

    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:20 am

    China Cyber-skills Are Improving But Still Don't Top Russia and Israel

    Notions that most Chinese hackers are simplistic and amateurish may be correct for the moment, but it is irrelevant, says a senior U.S. official who has been involved in classified airborne electronic and cyber-warfare since the Vietnam War.

    “There are some really good [Chinese hackers] that fall into the category of advanced persistent threats,” says the veteran electronic warrior. “The others in that category are the Israelis and the Russians and I’m not talking just about Russian Mafia which is good in the financial arena.”

    The information comes from background conversations with experts gathered for the Air Force Association’s 2nd Annual Cyber Conference in Washington, D.C.

    U.S. analysts have based their judgement on the forensic analysis of APT such as skills at getting through firewalls. They contend that in the upper category, the order of sophistication is Russia, Israel and then some of the Chinese. The number of penetrations by the Chinese overwhelm all the others, but the Russians put more focus on sophisticated exploitation schemes.

    “If you look at the educational background of the Russian [cyber-]mafia, most of them came out of the Russian Academy of Sciences,” the specialist says. “They’ve had a strong focus for a number of years.”

    Russia also flooded Israel with scientists when the Soviet government lifted its restriction on the immigration of Jews. They flocked to Israel and added new engineering and scientific life to Jerusalem’s technology base.

    The reason that Russia is rated higher than Israel in its cyber-expertise is the size of Moscow’s resources and its well-educated population.

    “Now China is putting a lot of resources into cyber,” the EW specialist says. “A lot of those [Chinese] amateurs that get caught and identified are probably all students that will one day move up into the APT category.”

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    Western propaganda

    Post  nemrod on Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:48 pm

    Few weeks before I subscribe in this forum, i was among several people in the world strongly thinking that no russian hardwares could match with US weaponery. It does not exist an something abble to down F-15, F-16, F-18, F-4E. In the next I will explain why.

    Western Propagada: A tool very efficient

    If this was an area where western was far ahead Soviet Union, is the propaganda.
    During my youth, i was passionned by everything in relation with weapon, I tried to become pilot, however, as I had a glass, I was suppressed to pass tests in order drive an aircraft.
    Each weeks I bought several military newspapers magazins. I watched as I could, several tv documentaries about US wars Vietnam, Korea.
    The mechanism of western propaganda is, very, very efficient, not stupid, and very clever.
    In fact I've never seen or heard words, or sentences like "we are the strongest, we are the best, the others are...". Never i've witnessed of this kind stupidities.
    The system lead you to think that there is no things abble to match with US weaponnery. You will think that, they will never force you to think that.

    By for example articles like "F-15 is the best aircraft in the world, after... it has the more victories.", far in magazin you will see a mig-23, mig-25 downed. For example during documentaries about Vietnam, we heard..."For the vietcongs...punishment starts...we saw B-52 dropping bombs". In another subject ...."Israelis air force, are among the best of the world".
    For Israelis's auxiliary, during the bekaa's battle IDF annihilated 102 aircrafts syrian fighters-we will see after, in another topic, how, it was a pure lie-. Moreover, no use to back to images during the first gulf war, where US bombed, bombed Iraq again and again. After pictures with american soldiers smiling with an iraqi prisonners, sometimes with civils, happy to see the civilization comming to them.
    Adding all that images, sounds, you will lead, sometimes by force, to think that the best aircrafts in the world could only be americans. No one can match, moreover, the 90's decade with the soviet union's collapse, and the USA unfortunetly for us became the only superpower in the world.


    When doubts cast

    - My first doubts was, when I saw the success of Mig 21, Mig 23 in the world.
    - When in 2006, a little Hizbollah milice stop israeli invasion, and blowing many of their armor vehicles, and burnt many of their Merkava.
    - 2008, my doubt became a true reality, because we were at the top of US power, after that, reality recalled USA. Georgia, after US green light, attacked Russia. Do not tell me this is the jester of Tbillissi that has undergone himself this attack. It was the next step of US great middle east, and normally the next step was US air force, bombed russian forces, and after triggered a new world war. However nothing has passed, US staid muet, and things staid like that.
    - 2008 when the krach occured, it showed to the rest of world, how US economy is so weak.

    Father of western propaganda.
    The efficiency of western propaganda is to fight your doubts, by chieftly seduced you. They know you will be conviced.
    The master of western propaganda is not Goebbels but Edward Bernays. Goebbels is a dwarf comparing to Bernays.
    For more information you can download his books Propaganda in pdf version.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:02 pm

    Don't forget William Hearst and Douglas McCarthy the masters of anti-Soviet propaganda, The first taking faschist propaganda and spreading to the west while the other trying to portray socialism as demonic(utter stupidity) and starting discrimination against anyone with even minorly left political views.

    I too used to watch discovery documentaries about communism and military channel and I always had a feel they were BSing me to believe some preposterous things.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nemrod on Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:14 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Don't forget William Hearst and Douglas McCarthy the masters of anti-Soviet propaganda, The first taking faschist propaganda and spreading to the west while the other trying to portray socialism as demonic(utter stupidity) and starting discrimination against anyone with even minorly left political views.

    I too used to watch discovery documentaries about communism and military channel and I always had a feel they were BSing me to believe some preposterous things.

    Questions Kommissar:
    Thx, I ignored D. Mccarthy, W. Hearst.
    What would be your reaction when your learned a day, that Israel downed very easily more than 100-we will see next about this western 'israeli hoax- syrian aircrafts ? Furthermore it was said that most of downed aircrafts were Sukhoi, mig 21 and especially Mig 23 -B, and M, don't forget that, in that time Mig 23 was the backbone of many air force defense in the world- ?
    Moreover what is your reaction, when most of the time, when you read, and see any pictures, any tv documents relating Vietnam war, they always talk US weaponnery as for example about Phantom ? And about Phantom F4, all images, pictures depict it as an exceptionnal aircraft -that was not-, all images are beautifull technicolor, the rare images about Mig, when they are, you see black&white poor qualities, immediatly after they showed Phantom dropping its bombs during an operation like Rolling Thunder, or Linebacker.
    The message underliying that soviet weaponnery is weapon for tacky soldiers, and Soviet Union were very late, and innefective against western modern weapons.
    Once you saw other things than their filty lying figures, you realize that the contrary, soviet weapon are redoutable between experts hands

    PS: To Kommissar, by William Hearst, did you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst ?


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:23 pm

    War is often called a game, but the stakes are death... very few people would enter an actual game where the stakes were their life where they had to use equipment that they knew was inferior to the other side.

    It is not just the west as we know it today... before WWII started most British Empire countries believed Japanese planes were made of rice paper and could not fly in the rain. The Zero was the best fighter anywhere in 1941, its problem was that it didn't improve and change when it came up against different enemies.

    The Germans thought the pinnacle of Soviet tank production was the T-32 multi turreted tank and the T-26 light tank.

    The point of course is that it doesn't matter how good or how bad your equipment is, it is how it is used... tactics... and how your enemy reacts too.

    German Panzer 2-4 tanks were inferior to the T-34 and KV-1 tanks they faced, yet they were still effective because they operated as a team with good communications... they called in air support and artillery to deal with targets their own guns couldn't deal with, or they bypassed the enemy strong points and left those problems for the infantry forces to reduce and destroy.

    The west is never going to admit to having inferior material, even when it is obvious, because they can secure local superiority in numbers, and they also have what are called force multipliers and of course good communications to allow them to be far more efficient and effective with their use of force.

    Even if Serbia had F-22s they still would not have won over Kosovo... NATO would simply have launched cruise missile attack after cruise missile attack against all the potential airfields it could have operated them from.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nemrod on Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:16 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The west is never going to admit to having inferior material, even when it is obvious, because they can secure local superiority in numbers, and they also have what are called force multipliers and of course good communications to allow them to be far more efficient and effective with their use of force.

    Even if Serbia had F-22s they still would not have won over Kosovo... NATO would simply have launched cruise missile attack after cruise missile attack against all the potential airfields it could have operated them from.

    The problem is Iam more than 45 years old, bac + 4 years in university, and I believed their propaganda.
    A few months ago, I was with friends talking about Russia, and I said them that Russia, is far to match USA, noone in the world could downed their modern fighters. No
    I realize how poor of me, I was far from the truth, because of the lack of culture.

    Back to Serbia, Iam near sure, Serbia will retrieve Kossovo, if not tommorow, it's after-tommorow, but one day, Serbians will free their historic land.
    If some of you, desires to understand the world that we live, and the propaganda's mechanism, I advise you Guy Debord, and his books la société du spectacle, it exists in english version, you can download it directly by Internet. The movie can be seen/or download it.
    But take care, it's a marxist-rhetoric, and sometimes it's hard to understand.
    He was opposed to the capitalist world, and soviet system. He was one the top universalist intellectuel international. Just as example, for him he considered the chinese soldiers on earth since Tchin era, is great hoax.
    In 1994 he suicided himself.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Debord

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Society_of_the_Spectacle_%28film%29

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:02 am

    A few months ago, I was with friends talking about Russia, and I said them that Russia, is far to match USA, noone in the world could downed their modern fighters.

    Not that far from the truth actually... no country in the world would choose to take on the US military for fun or for practise.

    Of those that actually get the opportunity to do so it is generally up to the US who has the chance and they like to prepare and plan to minimise the chance of loses to a very high degree.

    Where the risk is high you will see the US not even turning up with fighter aircraft... Syria, and indeed Libya... so it is not just sensible enemies, but a sensible US that prevents US aircraft from being shot down.

    The US these days sends UAVs to do the job they used to send modified bombers to do (ie RB-xx), so the chances are further reduced, and finally tactics... they wont just send in a single fighter to enter enemy air space to duke it out and see who is the best pilot... they will start with jamming and cruise missiles to take down communications and command and control centres and then attack airfields etc so that by the time US aircraft are over enemy airspace the enemy air force and air defence network is already broken so it is never a "fair" fight.

    Of course in war there is no such thing as fair... a good example would be the superior coordination of German troops and artillery and air power during WWII... in the attack you can concentrate your forces in one small area and create local superiority which allows you to break the line... the Soviets used tactics to over come this... notably in Stalingrad where the close proximity of hand to hand combat was a great equaliser, where air power was no longer so effective...

    Any enemy can use such tactics to negate an advantage their opponent has... try to fight on Americas terms and they will thrash you... make them play on your terms and you have a chance.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Zivo on Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:58 am

    Why do you hate our freedom?

    But really, I remember when I was maybe 10 years old I saw the Su-27 in a magazine. My first though was how could a backward civilization produce such a lethal yet elegant aircraft, and why have I never seen this in a TV military documentary? It made me very curious as to what else the "bad guys" might have that I wasn't aware of.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:31 am

    The west likes to pretend it is open minded and progressive, but at the end of the day it is a closed shop that is not open to different cultures and new ideas.

    Most of the criticisms the west likes to use against its enemies can be fairly applied to the west itself... often with more validity... The west has actually been responsible for undermining democracy, and outright invasion over the last century or so than Russia could ever be accused of... which is not to say that Russia is some innocent victim.

    American fast food is more likely to kill the world than "Russian expansionism" ever will.

    In fact the greatest danger to life as we now know it would be if China and India adopt American consumerism and waste and start burning up resources the way the US has for the last half century or so... the world could barely support 300 million people doing that... imagine when almost 3 billion try.

    Of course my main hope is that technology will save us, but perhaps it will be a false hope. The oil companies suppressed alternative energy sources because they weren't making money from alternative energy, and now that they have all rebranded themselves as "energy" companies and pretend to be working on alternative fuels I really think nothing has changed.

    The plans to go to Mars and the Moon will help develop technologies to recycle and reuse because we are going from an environment where water and food and heat and light are abundant to places where they are not. The technologies required to clean up polluted material or waste material and make it reusable will likely end up being valuable at some time in the future.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Regular on Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:33 pm

    I'm sick of any propaganda. Please, don't call it western propaganda. Call it real name. In Uk press Us soldiers are depicted as cowboys, and Uk soldiers as overall better material. Not to mention that they bash american gun ownership like they don't have their own problems to deal with. Btw, Israel is always a bad guy in Lithuanian press. Same in UK papers.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:29 pm

    Regular wrote: Israel is always a bad guy in Lithuanian press. Same in UK papers.
    But I assume in Baltic media Chechen and Albanian religious extremists are seen as some kind of heroic freedom fighter martyrs because they commited genocide on Russians and Russian allies Wink ?

    BTW I've always wondered which Baltic governments are more russophobic. I've heard that Lithuanians are the least and Estonians are the most. Those clowns really mean business with their government supported SS worship events in Tartu. I wonder after how much more time will they put up statues of Hitler and pals over obliterated memorials of fallen soviet soldiers. Laughing
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  nemrod on Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:56 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:

    BTW I've always wondered which Baltic governments are more russophobic. I've heard that Lithuanians are the least and Estonians are the most. Those clowns really mean business with their government supported SS worship events in Tartu. I wonder after how much more time will they put up statues of Hitler and pals over obliterated memorials of fallen soviet soldiers. Laughing

    I have nothing against british, nothing against american people, they are all victim as us, but here in west, propaganda this is where I swam, since the begining of my life.
    When I mean states, I mean true countries, with history, with economy, streams input/output from normal situation. Baltic states are not countries, just a simple provinces that were removed from Russia, when Russia was weak. As soon as possible, with the US's decline situation, these provinces will be back to Russia. Baltic countries are just only tools in US hands in order to blow, attack, destabilize Russia. The ultimate goal of this global'oligarchy, is established in Russia, as fly changed the donkey. USA is ill, Econmy is ruined, now for this cruel barbaric oligarchy; it is time to leave, and to search a new area, Russia is the better area for them.
    After their goals done successfully, believe me, Baltic countries, as Poland, as Slovak, Check, etc...will be dropped, as you throw a dirty sockets in garbage.
    If I was a baltic's politician -as a fanatic guy Lansbergis for example-, I started to see what's happenned recently during the second world war, when Roosevelt, Morgenthau, Marshall sacrified the all east of Europa-either you name Sikorsky or not, Churchill or not-, british empire, and frencheese empire.
    They have no senses, just calculus. They used Walesa as in football party when you shoot the ball, when the ball is useless, it was thrown in garbage. Look what'is happenning in Poland.
    US global oligarchy is more satanic, is far more diabolic than you can never imagine. What is the weight of baltic countries ? Null or near. This card will be sacrified soon or later.

    Just a last word concerning baltic countries, without american help -that is going to become less and less the case- these countries will collapse. As Baltic countries have no output to offer, the only thing that they can do for their masters, is to leave US deploying a so called shield, or new Pershing II.

    In this new chessboard Israel is going to be dropped too, those who will pay, are not the leaders and richs, no, as always the average people who will pay the hard price. Let's leave the baltic politicians to dream into their idealistic nonsens utopias. How will be hard the awakening.
    It took me decades to understand what is the oligarchy, and what are their purposes, and untill now I still discover new things that I ignored.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:53 pm

    I agree with most of what you say but Baltic cultures are quite different from the Russian culture. I would say a extensions of Russia are Ukraine and the glorious socialist Byelorussia Wink . BTW the only empirialist action the USSR ever did in its history was the Baltic annexation and that is a bit debatable since these regions were previously territories of the russian empire and the main soviet goal between 1922 and 1941 was to take back the lost territories of the former empire. However if the Georgian paranoid leader didn't take them they would've surely captured. Were they all faschist quasi-dictatorships? Yes(Pats, Smetona, that Latvian dude that I forgot).But did Addie Shitler view them as a fellow Aryan race not worthy of total enslavement and subsequent extermination? No. It would've been interesting if that would've happened. Mostl likely Leningrad being so close to the border would've been occupied thus ensuring defeat of the USSR and thus eastern Europe losing all hope of being saved from being slaves of Nordic families but if the USSR by miracle actually won by miracle I'm 100% sure that the Baltics(apart from Estonia) would have a warm opinion of Russians and would view them as distant brothers with common Slavic roots.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:57 pm

    Russia doesn't need to retake the Baltic countries by force. instead when the situation in the EU becomes extra shi**y maybe they would leave it gradually get into a Russian alliance(probably by then the almost Scandinavian level of russophobia will be worn out).
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:03 am

    nemrod wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:

    BTW I've always wondered which Baltic governments are more russophobic. I've heard that Lithuanians are the least and Estonians are the most. Those clowns really mean business with their government supported SS worship events in Tartu. I wonder after how much more time will they put up statues of Hitler and pals over obliterated memorials of fallen soviet soldiers. Laughing

    Let's leave the baltic politicians to dream into their idealistic nonsens utopias. How will be hard the awakening.
    It took me decades to understand what is the oligarchy, and what are their purposes, and untill now I still discover new things that I ignored.
    the Baltic politicians don't believe in utopias(except if you consider their wishes total Russian extermination) they, like almost every east European politician(including the s**theads ruling Bulgaria) is to make the EU give them more "development" money so they could steal it in order to fill their own pockets.

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