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    Post  kvs on Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:29 am

    sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/world/809866

    LOl. So Poland and Netherlands wants to set up a Russian language propaganda tv station and news site.

    Russia should announce a Polish and Netherlands based tv station and news site.

    These idiots are under the self-delusion that Russians are deprived of the "truth". Russians have NATO "truth"
    all they can swallow from the liberast Russian media and from the internet. Throwing more of this "truth" at
    them will only bring more backlash against the obvious and rabid NATO anti-Russian agenda. So go ahead,
    retards, bring it!
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    Post  wilhelm on Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:39 pm

    Godric wrote:the BBC are the biggest arseholes when it comes to Propaganda they were meant to be impartial during the Scottish referendum .... they were anything but impartial ... keep in mind the BBC is publically funded via tax (TV License) the BBC like to portray this false image of everything is rosy in the UK and everyone is united ... the UK media in general has this belief that UK is better than everyone else and cannot grasp why ever increasing numbers of Scots wants independence ... the UK government (Conservative party) and the English media are now regretting the fight to keep Scotland in the UK as they now realise the Scottish political landscape has totally changed for pro union parties they now only have 3 seats between them out of 59 seats (the SNP won 56 of them)

    This.

    I watched that whole BBC debacle with regards to Scotland.

    The BBC are awful, and don't even pretend anymore to hide whatever bias they have on a range of agendas they try to drive home.
    Russia is one of those agendas, and anytime anybody posts a link with regard to Russia from the BBC, you can almost always bet that whetever line they're pushing, the opposite is in fact true.
    I haven't bothered going to the BBc for a couple of years already.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:55 pm

    AM I the only one that wonders how according to official international statistics average Russian IQ is a good 2 points lower than american and not even top 20 in the world, even when most average russians clearly are more enlightened
    and educated than the average american, njot to mention Russia being one of the world leaders in skilled human resources and technology?

    Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:17 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:AM I the only one that wonders how according to official international statistics average Russian IQ is a good 2 points lower than american and not even top 20 in the world, even when most average russians clearly are more enlightened
    and educated than the average american, njot to mention Russia being one of the world leaders in skilled human resources and technology?

    Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?

    Because such "International statistics" are mainly owned by USA and are always and constantly abused for political reasons. Russia is the most educated country and education is free giving higher opportunity.

    Russia is also among the highest in "corruption ratings" while US is not in top 1, while they count whores,drugs and what not to their GDP, while raiting their universities as best in the world with ratings that base Caffeteria on same level as some educational subjects.


    Only trust statistics which you made yourself!
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:24 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:AM I the only one that wonders how according to official international statistics average Russian IQ is a good 2 points lower than american and not even top 20 in the world, even when most average russians clearly are more enlightened
    and educated than the average american, njot to mention Russia being one of the world leaders in skilled human resources and technology?

    Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?


    That is correct. Basically all of the international institutions, including the UN and its various branches, are hijacked by NATO. Money
    talks and when the USSR failed, its former "allies" started sucking Uncle Sam's shlong.

    IQ is a broken concept. It is not merely "political correctness" to diss it. The results depend on things such a knowledge of
    western cultural norms.

    http://listverse.com/2013/05/19/8-reasons-the-iq-is-meaningless/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-finds-8425911.html
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:25 pm

    All we need to do is just show the various articles about Russian students winning all these international science, math and such tests, and that should prove whom is obviously smarter.

    Especially when majority of those intelligent students from USA are either from India or are 1st generation US citizen.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:27 am

    sepheronx wrote:All we need to do is just show the various articles about Russian students winning all these international science, math and such tests, and that should prove whom is obviously smarter.

    Especially when majority of those intelligent students from USA are either from India or are 1st generation US citizen.

    This is quite right.  Go to MIT and you will see a large number of foreigners.   I know of one case in Canada where University of
    Toronto was discounting the educational credentials of a graduate from one of the top tier Russian schools who had won these
    sorts of international competitions.    There is brazen chauvinist discrimination against Russia and Russians in the precious NATO
    west.   But Canada gets what it deserves so I don't really care.   Russians are better off staying at home and making their
    country great instead of migrating to a place like Canada and being treated like Nth rate dirt and starting from scratch.   This
    experience would only be appealing for people escaping grinding poverty in the "developing" world.
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    Post  whir on Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:13 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?
    No, but PISA is somewhat rigged, not because of some conspiracy but because several countries like Denmark or South Korea have special programs to prepare it.

    kvs wrote:IQ is a broken concept.   It is not merely "political correctness" to diss it.   The results depend on things such a knowledge of
    western cultural norms.
    I'm sure Emotional Intelligence tests are more useful and not totally broken. IQ tests have their uses, aside from bragging rights, when used properly. People like to despise everything that challenges their intelligence because most are terribly immature when dealing with failure.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:38 pm

    There's pretty much one reason why all US universities are ranked so high - money.

    Caltech has an endownment of $2bln and has only 2,000 students and MiT has over $12 bln for 11,000 students. These are massive amounts of money. There are unis in USa with endowments of over $30bln The richest uni in Europe - Cambridge - has an endownment of 4 bln Euro and the richest one outside of UK has $1 bln Euro (ETH Zurich).

    THis means massive investment in research - so the best scientists from all around the world work in the US.
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    Post  Maximmmm on Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:53 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There's pretty much one reason why all US universities are ranked so high - money.

    Caltech has an endownment of $2bln and has only 2,000 students and MiT has over $12 bln for 11,000 students. These are massive amounts of money. There are unis in USa with endowments of over $30bln The richest uni in Europe - Cambridge - has an endownment of 4 bln Euro and the richest one outside of UK has $1 bln Euro (ETH Zurich).

    THis means massive investment in research - so the best scientists from all around the world work in the US.

    Exactly. I work in a lab and even though we do pretty mundane shit, the amount of money going through is insane. The cooler your work, the more money you're burning. The days when you could win a nobel prize with some backroom chemistry and a self-designed maguffin are long gone.
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    Post  whir on Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:51 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:Exactly. I work in a lab and even though we do pretty mundane shit, the amount of money going through is insane. The cooler your work, the more money you're burning. The days when you could win a nobel prize with some backroom chemistry and a self-designed maguffin are long gone.
    Institutionalised academia is a nasty business nowadays but most of the research continues being done with quite modest means.

    Even in fancy labs is nearly impossible to get proper financing, much less get a prize, without being known and that means two things: publishing regularly and having friends.
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    Post  Maximmmm on Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:22 pm

    whir wrote:
    Institutionalised academia is a nasty business nowadays but most of the research continues being done with quite modest means.

    Even in fancy labs is nearly impossible to get proper financing, much less get a prize, without being known and that means two things: publishing regularly and  having friends.

    Purely from my own experience:
    A lot of it depends on what kind of lab you're running. For a lot of the immunology labs that I know that do extensive live-cell culture & mice work, they're spending a lot of money just keeping all the equipment and the lab techs in place.
    Example: Our lab works with bacterial strains, and pretty easy ones (E.coli and the like) so we're fine with a -80 freezer for cell culture stocks. A good friend of mine works with human cell lines and they need cryogenic -150 freezers. The price jump between the two is pretty big. And that list goes on and on. Usually labs share equipment, with grants having multiple co-signers, but often the University will entice promising researchers by giving a huge wad of cash for up-front set up purchases.
    Smaller universities and/or poorer ones get priced out very quickly.

    We get guys coming from all the other universities around to do stuff because we have equipment they don't.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:59 pm

    Also it must be noted that russian univeristies and institutes seamingly have so little research published is because said research is being done by different institutions unlike in the west, while said universities have only an educational task.
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    Post  Maximmmm on Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:16 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Also it must be noted that russian univeristies and institutes seamingly have so little research published is because said research is being done by different institutions unlike in the west, while said universities have only an educational task.
    \

    There's a huge problem about publishing research. Our journals are completely ignored in the west and not a lot of Russian scientists can write & get published in western journals. I also don't know of much collaboration between labs in the west and labs in Russia. The Russian academy of sciences is a mess.
    There's definitely a lot of work to be done.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:29 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Also it must be noted that russian univeristies and institutes seamingly have so little research published is because said research is being done by different institutions unlike in the west, while said universities have only an educational task.
    \

    There's a huge problem about publishing research. Our journals are completely ignored in the west and not a lot of Russian scientists can write & get published in western journals. I also don't know of much collaboration between labs in the west and labs in Russia. The Russian academy of sciences is a mess.
    There's definitely a lot of work to be done.

    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:39 pm

    Lord, y'all are living in the world of labs; I'm living in the world of ranchers, cows, and farmers. I truly live on the back 40. Shocked

    There's 3 kinds of ppl here: the ones who think Fox news is gospel, the ones who think NYTs is gospel, and the people who think all of them are government or big business bought, sold, paid for whores, and can't believe any of them.
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    Post  Maximmmm on Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:40 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.

    Oh hell yeah. Some of the science coming out of the country is very very very impressive. Especially in the fields we're traditionally strong in. Now that scientists are more comfortable publishing in western journals the stuff is at least being seen. (A lot of the best stuff is born from cooperation with other labs, and greater exposure allows that to happen) Language barrier was a big problem for a while, now it's been improved a lot.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:44 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Lord, y'all are living in the world of labs; I'm living in the world of ranchers, cows, and farmers. I truly live on the back 40. Shocked

    There's 3 kinds of ppl here: the ones who think Fox news is gospel, the ones who think NYTs is gospel, and the people who think all of them are government or big business bought, sold, paid for whores, and can't believe any of them.

    And yet Texas is doing the smart thing, something that no other states seem to get it through their thick skulls, is real industry investments.  Texas is one of the few states left with real manufacturing, real agriculture not heavily subsidized, real energy production and real technological development (I think there are a few Fabless R&D facilities in Texas now).

    I met some very smart semiconductor engineers from Texas.  They were also very humble people whom were very open to all types of ideas.  Not arrogant pricks.  Then again, I also had a Texan call me a snow N*gger.

    Maximmmm wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.

    Oh hell yeah. Some of the science coming out of the country is very very very impressive. Especially in the fields we're traditionally strong in. Now that scientists are more comfortable publishing in western journals the stuff is at least being seen. (A lot of the best stuff is born from cooperation with other labs, and greater exposure allows that to happen) Language barrier was a big problem for a while, now it's been improved a lot.

    Russia impressed most in the recent months with Baikal electronics and MCST. They generate quite the intelligent semiconductor engineers without having a large corporation to fund them. Much like in the past. Now that there is a demand for local technology, Baikal electronics will become quite huge, MCST is getting bigger (although, KVS and I agree that they can still greatly improve Elbrus E2K architecture) and even Microclet whom people thought would die quickly, is finding buyers and contracts for their non von newmann processor.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:16 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Lord, y'all are living in the world of labs; I'm living in the world of ranchers, cows, and farmers. I truly live on the back 40. Shocked

    There's 3 kinds of ppl here: the ones who think Fox news is gospel, the ones who think NYTs is gospel, and the people who think all of them are government or big business bought, sold, paid for whores, and can't believe any of them.

    And yet Texas is doing the smart thing, something that no other states seem to get it through their thick skulls, is real industry investments.  Texas is one of the few states left with real manufacturing, real agriculture not heavily subsidized, real energy production and real technological development (I think there are a few Fabless R&D facilities in Texas now).

    I met some very smart semiconductor engineers from Texas.  They were also very humble people whom were very open to all types of ideas.  Not arrogant pricks.  Then again, I also had a Texan call me a snow N*gger.

    Maximmmm wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.

    Oh hell yeah. Some of the science coming out of the country is very very very impressive. Especially in the fields we're traditionally strong in. Now that scientists are more comfortable publishing in western journals the stuff is at least being seen. (A lot of the best stuff is born from cooperation with other labs, and greater exposure allows that to happen) Language barrier was a big problem for a while, now it's been improved a lot.

    Russia impressed most in the recent months with Baikal electronics and MCST.  They generate quite the intelligent semiconductor engineers without having a large corporation to fund them.  Much like in the past.  Now that there is a demand for local technology, Baikal electronics will become quite huge, MCST is getting bigger (although, KVS and I agree that they can still greatly improve Elbrus E2K architecture) and even Microclet whom people thought would die quickly, is finding buyers and contracts for their non von newmann processor.

    What? You should have knocked him on his ass for calling you that, and given him an attitude adjustment!

    For sure, land in Texas has been in families' hands for generations, 100's of years, and some of them--they are not ever giving it up! If you go to the County I grew up in to buy 500 acres today, you can forget it. NO ONE is selling.
    That's the one thing I like about where I live in Texas--you can drive for miles and miles, and no towns, because ranchers own so much land.
    Like it was in Wyoming back in the 1970's, was even more so up there, 100 miles from town to town. Nothing in between, except maybe a ranch house.
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:18 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Lord, y'all are living in the world of labs; I'm living in the world of ranchers, cows, and farmers. I truly live on the back 40. Shocked

    There's 3 kinds of ppl here: the ones who think Fox news is gospel, the ones who think NYTs is gospel, and the people who think all of them are government or big business bought, sold, paid for whores, and can't believe any of them.

    And yet Texas is doing the smart thing, something that no other states seem to get it through their thick skulls, is real industry investments.  Texas is one of the few states left with real manufacturing, real agriculture not heavily subsidized, real energy production and real technological development (I think there are a few Fabless R&D facilities in Texas now).

    I met some very smart semiconductor engineers from Texas.  They were also very humble people whom were very open to all types of ideas.  Not arrogant pricks.  Then again, I also had a Texan call me a snow N*gger.

    Maximmmm wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.

    Oh hell yeah. Some of the science coming out of the country is very very very impressive. Especially in the fields we're traditionally strong in. Now that scientists are more comfortable publishing in western journals the stuff is at least being seen. (A lot of the best stuff is born from cooperation with other labs, and greater exposure allows that to happen) Language barrier was a big problem for a while, now it's been improved a lot.

    Russia impressed most in the recent months with Baikal electronics and MCST.  They generate quite the intelligent semiconductor engineers without having a large corporation to fund them.  Much like in the past.  Now that there is a demand for local technology, Baikal electronics will become quite huge, MCST is getting bigger (although, KVS and I agree that they can still greatly improve Elbrus E2K architecture) and even Microclet whom people thought would die quickly, is finding buyers and contracts for their non von newmann processor.

    What? You should have knocked him on his ass for calling you that, and given him an attitude adjustment!

    For sure, land in Texas has been in families' hands for generations, 100's of years, and some of them--they are not ever giving it up! If you go to the County I grew up in to buy 500 acres today, you can forget it. NO ONE is selling.
    That's the one thing I like about where I live in Texas--you can drive for miles and miles, and no towns, because ranchers own so much land.
    Like it was in Wyoming back in the 1970's, was even more so up there, 100 miles from town to town. Nothing in between, except maybe a ranch house.

    I actually found it quite funny. I had a technician from Michigan come in and when I told him, he thought it was hilarious and asked if he could use it on his facebook account, I said sure! I really did think it was one of the funniest things I heard.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:51 am

    whir wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?
    No, but PISA is somewhat rigged, not because of some conspiracy but because several countries like Denmark or South Korea have special programs to prepare it.

    kvs wrote:IQ is a broken concept.   It is not merely "political correctness" to diss it.   The results depend on things such a knowledge of
    western cultural norms.
    I'm sure Emotional Intelligence tests are more useful and not totally broken. IQ tests have their uses, aside from bragging rights, when used properly. People like to despise everything that challenges their intelligence because most are terribly immature when dealing with failure.

    I disagree completely. The links I posted show that the test measures knowledge that has nothing to do with intelligence.
    You are insinuating that anyone who complains about this BS "metric" is just engaged in sour grapes. Get real.

    Take the reported numbers comparing different countries. There are no error/uncertainty bounds on them. This is
    total BS since the tests are done as statistical samples. So a 2 point difference in IQ testing is meaningless.

    A commonly chosen confidence interval is 68 percent. Suppose you are trying to predict what an 11-year old child’s IQ score will be at the age of 21 and you know that there’s a .70 correlation in the general population between IQ measured at age 11 and IQ measured at age 21 (this correlation is at the upper end of what is typically found). Based solely on that information, what range of IQ scores can you expect he will obtain on his twenty-first birthday?

    It depends how confident you want to be. If you are only 68 percent confident, you can expect that the child’s true score is somewhere within 10 points of his 11-year-old score (in both directions—10 points higher or 10 points lower than his original IQ score). But that’s with only 68 percent confidence. As Alan Kaufman notes, “I wouldn’t cross a busy intersection if I had only a 65% to 70% probability of making it to the other side.”

    For high-stakes decisions, test administrators have the option of increasing their confidence interval to 90 percent or even 95 percent. Of course, higher confidence comes at a cost: it widens the range of possible IQ scores. In the example of this 11-year-old boy, if you want to be 95 percent confident of what this child’s IQ score will be at age 21, you’d have to expect a range of 20 points in either direction.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/iq_tests_hurt_kids_schools_and_dont_measure_intelligence/

    The mere fact that IQ measuring clowns use a 68% confidence interval tells me all I need to know. No scientific paper
    would get away with using such a useless interval. The only acceptable confidence intervals are 90% and higher. The
    higher the better. And as we see, the BS IQ test becomes progressively useless as one tries to apply tighter statistical
    constraints. One could take this as a proof of the uselessness of this test.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:19 am

    sepheronx, I never heard the word before you said it today. It does beat all.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:25 pm


    Morons...morons everywhere... Razz

    British Expert Names Two Biggest Obstacles for Western Propaganda in Russia

    A new article by a Chatham House think tank fellow offers up two obstacles for the Western media in Russia and one pundit finds a solution.


    http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150805/1025436018.html

    An article published in think tank Chatham House's The World Today magazine claims that the Western media needs "to come up with new ideas" to win what it calls "information warfare" with Russia.

    According to the author, Keir Giles, the biggest obstacles to that are InoSMI ("Foreign Media"), a website which offers translations of foreign media articles and the Federal Security Service's SORM system, which can track Internet activity under a court order.

    When it comes to SORM, the author does not make it clear what obstacle the system creates for viewing foreign media, although he says that it is not as well-known, in his own words, "unlike similar systems in the West." Giles' article was republished by the Moscow Times daily, which is distributed in paper form free of charge in Russia.

    In the case of InoSMI (a part of Rossiya Segodnya media group together with Sputnik), Giles' argument has some merit. Without being submerged in an overall Western media narrative, individual articles may appear nonsensical to readers to the point of being amusing, such as a recently translated listicle titled "5 Reasons Why the U.S. Remains the World’s Only Superpower," which includes having the world's tallest rollercoaster.

    Others, including opinion and analytical articles, which can make sense to readers when they are subjected to a certain media narrative, can similarly become nonsensical or even aggravating. Aimed at a domestic audience, they are essentially part of a view of reality in which some claims are treated as fact while certain facts that do not fit the picture are ignored.

    When US Ambassador to Russia Will Stevens tweeted Giles' article, his audience was left confused about his motivations, asking questions about Edward Snowden.

    Quality of translation also does not seem to be an issue, as even materials originally in Russian from government broadcaster sources such as Radio Liberty (RFE/RL), Voice of America, Deutsche Welle and others are published.

    So a solution has to be found as to how to make people in Russia watch Western media, according to Giles.

    A former producer at the Gazprom Media-owned entertainment channel TNT and now a sort of crusader against Russian state media outlets, Peter Pomerantsev suggested covering more local news and creating "docu-soaps about schools or hospitals; reality shows exploring ethnic tensions."

    It is not clear who would be interested in such programming in Russia, and Pomerantsev, who worked at TNT for ten years likely knows that even topics such as corruption, political favoritism and abuse of power are not taboo in Russian entertainment. It could, however, land Pomerantsev a pretty sweet gig as a senior producer if he pushes through the idea, considering that he is one of the few vocal supporters of the idea to have such a level of experience.

    But even if you could make Russian viewers absorb the Western media narrative, would you really want them to? Pomerantsev brings up the case of "Estonia, where viewers who followed rival Russian and western stories about the downing of flight MH17 over Ukraine last year ended up disbelieving both sides."

    And what would happen if Russians were exposed to Western media? While outlets such as Voice of America and BBC Russian Service were extremely popular in the Soviet Union because they put a twist on events in a society controlled by censorship and taboo, today they simply provide an alternative editorial position only interesting to a niche audience. If interest groups and governments want to influence Russian public opinion with media distribution, they should begin by making their goals transparent, at least to themselves.

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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:12 am

    "State media" like the BBC(*) and CBC(*) but vastly more objective. The CBC in Canada is brazen Harperite pro-Kiev regime propaganda.
    If you watch so-called "state media" in Russia there is no goose stepping conformity and no "narrative" being shoved down your
    throat. I see posts in various fora routinely claim that Russian media is no better than the NATO media. This is utter rubbish based
    on total lack of knowledge of the coverage.

    The tone of this Sputnik article is the same liberast pro-NATO crud you could find previously in RIAN. It highlights an important
    fact: Russian media is infiltrated heavily with a pro-NATO 5th column. Routinely these articles use the standard NATO newspeak
    yapping about "pro-Kremlin" political parties and "state-run media". Pavolvian trigger phrases designed to lubricate the penetration
    of the NATO narratives about Russia as some "tyranny". The real tyranny is the NATO empire of the USA. The NATO media
    coverage of events in Ukraine totally discredits it as any sort of objective and fair collection of independent organizations. It
    is nothing more than a parrot chorus for the imperial elites running NATO. Daily slaughter of civilians by the NATO installed
    coup regime in Kiev is converted 1984 style into "the rebels/terrorists are shelling themselves". Thousands of volunteers from
    Russia are claimed as regular Russian army invasion forces. Of course the question of why Russia would not use its air power
    and even properly equip these "land forces" is never answered. As if Russia could not deploy more than 9000 troops to Ukraine.

    (*) Neither is private and just because they claim to be arm's length operations from the government means diddley squat.
    The proof is in the pudding and the bias of the BBC and CBC is brazen and primitive.

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    Post  Maximmmm on Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:20 am

    kvs wrote:"State media" like the BBC(*) and CBC(*) but vastly more objective.    The CBC in Canada is brazen Harperite pro-Kiev regime propaganda.
    If you watch so-called "state media" in Russia there is no goose stepping conformity and no "narrative" being shoved down your
    throat
    .  I see posts in various fora routinely claim that Russian media is no better than the NATO media.   This is utter rubbish based
    on total lack of knowledge of the coverage.  

    The tone of this Sputnik article is the same liberast pro-NATO crud you could find previously in RIAN.  It highlights an important
    fact:  Russian media is infiltrated heavily with a pro-NATO 5th column.   Routinely these articles use the standard NATO newspeak
    yapping about "pro-Kremlin" political parties and "state-run media".    Pavolvian trigger phrases designed to lubricate the penetration
    of the NATO narratives about Russia as some "tyranny".   The real tyranny is the NATO empire of the USA.   The NATO media
    coverage of events in Ukraine totally discredits it as any sort of objective and fair collection of independent organizations.   It
    is nothing more than a parrot chorus for the imperial elites running NATO.   Daily slaughter of civilians by the NATO installed
    coup regime in Kiev is converted 1984 style into "the rebels/terrorists are shelling themselves".   Thousands of volunteers from
    Russia are claimed as regular Russian army invasion forces.    Of course the question of why Russia would not use its air power
    and even properly equip these "land forces" is never answered.   As if Russia could not deploy more than 9000 troops to Ukraine.

    (*) Neither is private and just because they claim to be arm's length operations from the government means diddley squat.
    The proof is in the pudding and the bias of the BBC and CBC is brazen and primitive.


    There is. Every time there's some news item that they have to push, every single channel pushes it like crazy. Like every Ukraine tidbit, or Hiroshima&Nagasaki yesterday.
    News in Russia is like tv anywhere, it's utter shit. It was decent a long time ago, and now it's just shit. The newspapers have also gotten worse. Anybody with an ounce of self-respect goes online anyway so it doesn't really matter.

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