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    Post  kvs on Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:52 pm

    http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2014-the-year-propaganda-came-of-age/

    We are through the looking glass. The western media is now an Orwellian bubble of lies.
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    Post  Kyo on Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:11 pm

    How Russian hackers became a global brand.

    http://rt.com/news/219043-cyber-war-hackers-report/
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    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:41 pm

    Kyo wrote:How Russian hackers became a global brand.

    http://rt.com/news/219043-cyber-war-hackers-report/


    is 100% propaganda!

    The United States.. needs to fabricate a threat to their nation security ,to justify what they really want to do..

    To justify the invading of middle east ,they always invented weapons of mass destruction and terrorist that could
    attack USA at any time.. the terrorist are real.. but were created by them..

    To justify their regulation and crackdown on internet and the freedom of information ..*(because they losing
    the information war)  they are creating propaganda of hackers.. RUssian hackers.. chinese hackerks and north korean hackers.. isn't that curious? how the same nations again and again are accused of all evil in the world?

    The hackers they always existed.. and they are no more dangerous today than in the past..its actually the other
    way..today hacking is more difficult than in the past.. that the knowledge of security was very low..

    You never hear of American hackers or european hackers.. posing a threat to USA..but only of
    Russian-CHinese and northkoreans.

    is kind of hypocrisy because the the CIA created viruses to attack IRAN ,so hacking is good when they do it..
    but if others do it.. is bad. lol

    Is just propaganda.  hackers exist but they significantly blow out of proportions the danger of hackers ,to justify their laws against the freedom of internet.
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    Post  Kyo on Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:25 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    Kyo wrote:How Russian hackers became a global brand.

    http://rt.com/news/219043-cyber-war-hackers-report/


    is 100% propaganda!

    The United States.. needs to fabricate a threat to their nation security ,to justify what they really want to do..

    To justify the invading of middle east ,they always invented weapons of mass destruction and terrorist that could
    attack USA at any time.. the terrorist are real.. but were created by them..

    To justify their regulation and crackdown on internet and the freedom of information ..*(because they losing
    the information war)  they are creating propaganda of hackers.. RUssian hackers.. chinese hackerks and north korean hackers.. isn't that curious? how the same nations again and again are accused of all evil in the world?

    The hackers they always existed.. and they are no more dangerous today than in the past..its actually the other
    way..today hacking is more difficult than in the past..  that the knowledge of security was very low..

    You never hear of American hackers or european hackers.. posing a threat to USA..but only of
    Russian-CHinese and northkoreans.

    is kind of hypocrisy because the the CIA created viruses to attack IRAN ,so hacking is good when they do it..
    but if others do it.. is bad. lol

    Is just propaganda.  hackers exist but they significantly blow out of proportions the danger of hackers ,to justify their laws against the freedom of internet.  

    I agree. Maybe the thread title should be: Is Russia prepared and on the offensive in cyberwar?
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:38 am

    Sadly, I think it is more of a case that Russia is a bad word in the west so with anything bad like Hacker, or Mafia, adding Russia or Russian at the front just makes it sound badder/more dangerous... Russian Mafia or Russian Hacker etc etc.
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:32 am

    [quote="Kyo"]
    Vann7 wrote:
    Kyo wrote:How Russian hackers became a global brand.

    http://rt.com/news/219043-cyber-war-hackers-report/



    I agree. Maybe the thread title should be: Is Russia prepared and on the offensive in cyberwar?


    There is nothing to fear at Cyber hackers , it is very limited what they can do...
    ie.. Shutdown free public websites.. for public use..
    or steal people naked photos in facebook and anyone card information that is fool enough to store it online.
    It will not affect the Russian Government in any way ,their private Non-Internet communications networks
    that are 100% secure of hackers.. Neither it will affect US companies and private business... US simply exxagerate
    the power of hackers to justify their crackdown on internet freedom.
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    Post  AbsoluteZero on Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:28 pm

    I was watching cbc news a while ago and it seems the conservative government is very critical of Russia, there was this official who was talking about internet freedom and specifically mentioned Russia as propagating propaganda and manipulating information on the internet.
    why just mention Russia? its not like other countries aren't doing it for their own ends, not just the politicians but also Canadian media seems very biased and portray Russia in a very bad light as much as they can. How do they benefit from all these? I mean if its to score favors from the US, I dont see it happening, like the Keystone pipeline was struck down and deemed unprofitable for the US. Maybe theres a chance to change course when the Liberals take over? elections aren't that far ahead.
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    Post  Kyo on Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:46 pm

    As an example of US war party propaganda, read these news over the Sony hack fraud.


    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/another-war-party-proganda-scam-the-sony-hack-fraud/
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    Post  AbsoluteZero on Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:58 pm

    Kyo wrote:As an example of US war party propaganda, read these news over the Sony hack fraud.


    http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/another-war-party-proganda-scam-the-sony-hack-fraud/

    It is unfortunate that so many people fall for these lies and deception, I guess thats the advantage when you have a monopoly on global media outlets
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:36 pm

    How the story started already showed that this is all a false flag to produce a reason to hate and fear north korea so that the peace loving Obomba the clown can push policies in asia.

    The West is completley indoctrinated when it comes about North Korea, not a single person with a clue, not a single person with the slightest sceptism towards the bullshit USofA is constantly lying.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:18 am

    Maybe theres a chance to change course when the Liberals take over? elections aren't that far ahead.

    The Liberals are generally worse... they like to show a hard line on Russia so they can't be shown to be weak.

    the vast majority of BS talk is for domestic consumption so local populations don't question the political posture towards the Russians.

    the irony is that Russia and the west have rather more in common than they have differences and have generally good relations with countries the west in general and the US in particular has no influence... but that ship has sailed and now they have created an enemy... which is what they seem to have wanted all along.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:37 am

    GarryB wrote:Sadly, I think it is more of a case that Russia is a bad word in the west so with anything bad like Hacker, or Mafia, adding Russia or Russian at the front just makes it sound badder/more dangerous... Russian Mafia or Russian Hacker etc etc.
    Just watched a movie where Denzel Washington single-handily took down an oligarch-funded "Russian Mafia".... Pretty good movie actually, but the plot (explained) says it all about Hollywood and the fabricated threats the US adores.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:46 am

    Mike E wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Sadly, I think it is more of a case that Russia is a bad word in the west so with anything bad like Hacker, or Mafia, adding Russia or Russian at the front just makes it sound badder/more dangerous... Russian Mafia or Russian Hacker etc etc.
    Just watched a movie where Denzel Washington single-handily took down an oligarch-funded "Russian Mafia".... Pretty good movie actually, but the plot (explained) says it all about Hollywood and the fabricated threats the US adores.

    I saw that movie. I thought it was horrible (not really the plot at the beginning was real good, but got way too silly near the end with the whole Bill Paulman and going to Russia to kill the mafia guy). In the end, made it way too silly. But yeah, US really loves the violent crap.

    A real movie was Children of Men. And that wasn't Hollywood.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:42 am

    I loved it, but then again, I also love Expendables and such movies.

    Never got to see that one.
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    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:59 am

    Mike E wrote:I loved it, but then again, I also love Expendables and such movies.

    Never got to see that one.

    took wife to see Expendables 3. Her reaction was that she liked the movie cause it was cheesy and reminded her of Bollywood films.

    If you have not seen Children of Men, I recommend you do. It has Michael Cain, Clive Owen and Jullianne Moore in it. Kinda slow but really picks up near the end (if you like action) and has some of the best cinematographic moments in it that I have yet to see in any other film. Beautiful film and one of my favorites (I am a picky man when it comes to movies but horror movies, as I love movies like The Evil Dead or anything from David Cronenburg). Only movie with a plot that seemed a little far fetch but was absolutely awesome to watch and beautiful was Leon the Professional.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:02 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Mike E wrote:I loved it, but then again, I also love Expendables and such movies.

    Never got to see that one.

    took wife to see Expendables 3.  Her reaction was that she liked the movie cause it was cheesy and reminded her of Bollywood films.

    If you have not seen Children of Men, I recommend you do.  It has Michael Cain, Clive Owen and Jullianne Moore in it.  Kinda slow but really picks up near the end (if you like action) and has some of the best cinematographic moments in it that I have yet to see in any other film.  Beautiful film and one of my favorites (I am a picky man when it comes to movies but horror movies, as I love movies like The Evil Dead or anything from David Cronenburg).  Only movie with a plot that seemed a little far fetch but was absolutely awesome to watch and beautiful was Leon the Professional.
    Funny... For me all three movies (they're making a fourth with Pierce Brosnan (a favorite of mine) and Hulk Hogan) are absolutely terrible yet great at the same time. Basically, they are inexplicably good.

    Read up a bit on it, sounds like a good movie. I'll try and rent it when I have the time.
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    Post  Kyo on Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:00 pm

    And the show must go on.

    http://rt.com/usa/220591-clapper-korea-sony-hack/
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:00 pm

    Remarkable article written way back in 1948, but sounds like it was written last week...

    Arrow Against Russia by Ivan Ilyin


    Ivan Ilyin is said to be Putin's favourite philosopher. More on Ilyins ideas below

    Arrow Putin’s philosopher
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    Post  George1 on Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:32 am

    Senior Russian Official Warns Against Distortion of WWII Events

    Russian delegate in PACE Alexei Pushkov announced Monday that there were more and more attempts to put under question the history of the Second World War and Russia should be aware of these attempts.

    STRASBOURG, January 26 (Sputnik) — Attempts are being made to question historical facts concerning World War II and it is important to be aware of them, a senior Russian official said Monday.

    "Unfortunately, there are more and more attempts to put under question history of the Second World War. And I'm saying that we should be aware of these attempts,” Alexei Pushkov, the Russian delegate in PACE, said at the assembly's winter session.

    He added that Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk’s statement that Kiev “remembers about the Soviet invasion in Ukraine and Germany” was meaningless, as Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union during World War II.

    Pushkov said that since Ukraine was a part of the USSR, the Soviet Union could not have invaded itself, while the invasion of Germany also made no sense, as Moscow played the key role in the liberation of Europe from Nazism.

    "Russia was a leading member of the anti-Hitler coalition and in this respect its actions were justified, as well as the actions of the United States, Great Britain, French troops and so on. So to speak about [USSR invading Ukraine and Germany] means to rewrite the history of the Second World War to give support to the Third Reich, which is morally inadmissible," Pushkov said.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:55 am

    If people are wondering how effective Pro-NATO propaganda is in the Western world, just take a gander:

    Poll taken in France in 1945, 1994 & 2004:
    'Which country contributed most to the defeat of Nazism?'
    'USSR, US or UK?'

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    Post  Werewolf on Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:59 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:If people are wondering how effective Pro-NATO propaganda is in the Western world, just take a gander:

    Poll taken in France in 1945, 1994 & 2004:
    'Which country contributed most to the defeat of Nazism?'
    'USSR, US or UK?'

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    Göbbels is proud of america, constantly repeating a lie and the idiots believe it.
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    Post  Mike E on Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:20 am

    That's just sad... Worst part is I do not deny it, many of the people I know personally do believe that the US had the greatest effect on the outcome of the European Front. There is also a group here that argues the USSR only survived thanks to lend-lease, which as we all know is utter dog ****. A few trashy Sherman's, Churchill's and god forbid M3 Lee's did more to weaken the USSR than strengthen it... Plus, in a way the USSR helped the other Allies by stalling the Krauts and keeping them occupied both before and after lend-lease.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:25 am

    Two excellent posts yeasterday magnumcromagnon.
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    Post  OminousSpudd on Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:04 am

    A little offside with this one, but I think it's certainly appropriate. I don't know how many of you have seen this fantastic live-action trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTzHj-R9McA brought to us by the fellows over at Gaijin, creators of the Warthunder MMO, (I don't actually play it, just came across it while browsing) anyway, while it's a general rule of mine not to read the Youtube comments section I decided to on this particular video to see the response from the viewers. See for yourself the sheer depth of propaganda instilled in some of those (top rated I might add) comments.

    Came away feeling mightily disheartened after reading them, especially considering the amount of time and money that must of gone into producing this work of art.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:05 pm

    Guys, this is a bit off-topic but do you want to know what 'propaganda' looks like in a physical form lol?

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