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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:48 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:He is probably already dead. Armed himself with two Kalas entered his school along with his best friend and killed everybody breathing including the girl turned down on him, whose he cut her genitalia in ritual fashion.
    He left a tape with him on training and shooting over his desktop and lyrics of 50 cent as well as a flag of confederation.

    Just kidding of course  Laughing 
    US sucks my friend, welcome to the free world ! russia

    I believe you're sick, did someone check you?

    I believe that kind of things and much worse things then that happen far more in Russia...

    And what country are you from?
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:25 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:He is probably already dead. Armed himself with two Kalas entered his school along with his best friend and killed everybody breathing including the girl turned down on him, whose he cut her genitalia in ritual fashion.
    He left a tape with him on training and shooting over his desktop and lyrics of 50 cent as well as a flag of confederation.

    Just kidding of course  Laughing 
    US sucks my friend, welcome to the free world ! russia

    I believe you're sick, did someone check you?

    I believe that kind of things and much worse things then that happen far more in Russia...

    And what country are you from?

    What are you talking about? 1.) Obviously there was nothing serious about his post, and he was clearly being facetious, 2.) School shootings happen way more in the United States than any other country let alone Russia, where do you get the idea that tells you otherwise?
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:34 pm

    But i am pretty sure illegal and weird things aswell as criminal things happen way more in Russia.

    Dont get me wrong i dont hate Russia.

    Edit: but lets end this discussion i am sorry i shouldnt have overreacted that way...
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:42 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:But i am pretty sure illegal and weird things aswell as criminal things happen way more in Russia.

    Dont get me wrong i dont hate Russia.

    Edit: but lets end this discussion i am sorry i shouldnt have overreacted that way...

    Happen way more? The largest narcotics trafficking network in the world is the Mexican-American corridor, and the majority of the worlds white collar crime happens at Wallstreet and the City of London, significantly more so than Moscow.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:41 am

    But i am pretty sure illegal and weird things aswell as criminal things happen way more in Russia.

    Dont get me wrong i dont hate Russia.

    I don't believe you hate Russia either... but sadly you are further evidence of how effective western propaganda is and how ingrained the western stereotype of Russia is.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:19 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    But i am pretty sure illegal and weird things aswell as criminal things happen way more in Russia.

    Dont get me wrong i dont hate Russia.

    I don't believe you hate Russia either... but sadly you are further evidence of how effective western propaganda is and how ingrained the western stereotype of Russia is.

    Could be true.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:22 pm

    Yeah OK I do think that Flyingdutchman is a decent person who does realize that something is wrong in his country, in Europe, in West or something of this sort but on the other hand he has not clarified what he likes and what not. What is right what wrong, what is propaganda what is reality so he moves back an forth always confused.
    In Europe we need people who realize that we seriously go over the cliff. The huge majority is blissfully unaware. This is a start, a slow start but a start nevertheless.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  TR1 on Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    But i am pretty sure illegal and weird things aswell as criminal things happen way more in Russia.

    Dont get me wrong i dont hate Russia.

    I don't believe you hate Russia either... but sadly you are further evidence of how effective western propaganda is and how ingrained the western stereotype of Russia is.

    You guys think there is more rule of law in Russia than in the US?

    Ask any Russian how they feel about that Very Happy.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:49 pm

    Well i defend the West most of the time and then i read Some stuff what the russians claim and then i think...Wow they could be right...very right... And then i am reading new from Western sites and then i start defending the west again ( maybe it is brainwashing i dont know hahaha ) and then you've got me when i overreact on someones comment ( sorry for that especially Hannibal ).

    But i need to be honest that i start believing Russia more and more they just seem more relaxed and know what they're doing and saying.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:38 am

    TR1 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    But i am pretty sure illegal and weird things aswell as criminal things happen way more in Russia.

    Dont get me wrong i dont hate Russia.

    I don't believe you hate Russia either... but sadly you are further evidence of how effective western propaganda is and how ingrained the western stereotype of Russia is.

    You guys think there is more rule of law in Russia than in the US?

    Ask any Russian how they feel about that Very Happy.

    Well how do you feel About it?
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:40 pm

    The Rule of law is the golden rule... those with the gold... rule.

    Ask OJ Simpson how to get away with murder and he will tell you all you need to do is be a professional athlete and earn millions of dollars. Then you can kill people and use up your millions to keep out of jail.

    It is the same everywhere.

    My problem is that the so called justice system the US and the west promotes is a game, and if you can afford a good lawyer you can often get away with all sorts of stuff and even make the victim have to pay you. A Lawyers job should be to see that their client gets fair representation by someone who understands the law. Instead in the west it is the job of a lawyer to get their client off or at least at a reduced penalty, while the prosecutions job is to put people in prison.

    Russia is far from perfect yet makes no claim, the US is the centre and peak of human civilisation and will tell anyone who will listen. Neither are anywhere close to perfection, but it is not Russia that imposes sanctions on some countries that don't meet Russian ideals, while continuing full trade with countries that don't just because it suits them.

    the US is happy to sanction Iran and Cuba and isolate them and keep them poor for this or that reason, yet had good trade relations with communist China and Saudi Arabia... the latter having an appalling record on human rights.

    it is funny that in one breath the US will condemn Russian laws protecting children from pro gay material but never mentions such things regarding Saudi Arabia where admitting to be gay would get you executed.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:31 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    But i am pretty sure illegal and weird things aswell as criminal things happen way more in Russia.

    Dont get me wrong i dont hate Russia.

    I don't believe you hate Russia either... but sadly you are further evidence of how effective western propaganda is and how ingrained the western stereotype of Russia is.

    You guys think there is more rule of law in Russia than in the US?

    Ask any Russian how they feel about that Very Happy.

    Well how do you feel About it?

    To say that there is effective rule of law in Russia is to tell a cruel cruel joke.

    Our conviction rate alone is hilariously suspect.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:47 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    But i am pretty sure illegal and weird things aswell as criminal things happen way more in Russia.

    Dont get me wrong i dont hate Russia.

    I don't believe you hate Russia either... but sadly you are further evidence of how effective western propaganda is and how ingrained the western stereotype of Russia is.

    You guys think there is more rule of law in Russia than in the US?

    Ask any Russian how they feel about that Very Happy.

    Well how do you feel About it?

    To say that there is effective rule of law in Russia is to tell a cruel cruel joke.

    Our conviction rate alone is hilariously suspect.

    Your justice system seems to be a mess of the 90's cause Treason only gets a person 12 years max in Russia, while a person in US gets life sentence (Just one of many examples).  About as much as a murderer.  Russian law system seems to be strange.  Some cases do work in favour of the people and some work against them.  Either the system is indeed free and judges are just morons, or it really depends on the judge.  Judges in Russia have faced questionable deaths that revolve in some cases, so it is hard to say.

    I think the major issue here is the lack of separation between the state and the law.  Which is becoming a problem nearly everywhere (Many people in US wall street should be in jail, but are not as an example.  Brother of JFK had his convertible found with a womans body in it in the lake, no proceedings happened as another example).  I never heard of any small claims court in Russia, so I cannot comment.  But seems to be a real mix bag and indeed a mess compared to many countries. I just think there are too many loopholes in your justice system, hence people can get away with a lot if they know them.

    So that being said, Welcome to the forums Austin.  Hope this thread alone didn't turn you off.  We have some weird members here, but at the same time, this place is more open to talk than other forums.  That is the benefit.  Very rarely someone gets banned, even if they are blatant anti Russian or anything else.  Just do not make mistakes of those who do get banned by outright spamming and like our Forum admin Vlad stated, just read the rules and have fun.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:29 pm

    Judges in Russia pay massive bribes to get their positions. It is an utter nonstarter when they are supposed to be practicing the law.

    Treason is irrelevant. How many cases of treason are there compared to more "typical" violent and non violent crimes?

    Law itself have been molded politically at times, but even if we stick to current codes and laws, everything would be a universe better if the law was actually obeyed.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:32 pm

    TR1 wrote:Judges in Russia pay massive bribes to get their positions. It is an utter nonstarter when they are supposed to be practicing the law.

    Treason is irrelevant. How many cases of treason are there compared to more "typical" violent and non violent crimes?

    Law itself have been molded politically at times, but even if we stick to current codes and laws, everything would be a universe better if the law was actually obeyed.

    Interesting.  How would one fix such a system?  FSB to go down hard on the judges? Public shaming? Instant loss of positions? How does a judge supposed to normally get in?
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    Effectivenss of western propaganda... AKA everything is worse in Russia

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:38 pm

    GarryB, can you move all the comments that have nothing to do with Welcoming Austin, and move them to a subthread named "Injustice Systeme here and there"?

    Thanks, GarryB.

    Nice title, btw.
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    Vaclav Klaus: the West’s lies about Russia are monstrous

    Post  kvs on Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:21 pm

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322652/europe-needs-systemic-change/

    Some sober analysis of the situation in the EU. You cannot accuse Klaus of being some Putin-bot.



    Klaus believes the EU is beyond reform and has called for it to be replaced with an ‘Organisation of European States’ — a simple free trade association which would not pursue political integration. He recalls his own experience at the forefront of Czechoslovakia’s Velvet Revolution in 1989. ‘When we started to change my country we quite deliberately did not use the term “reform” — we used the word “transformation”, because we wanted a systemic change. Such a systemic change is needed in Europe today.’

    It’s not just on the economy that Europe has got it wrong, says Klaus. He doesn’t agree with the western elite’s current hostility towards Russia, which he believes is based on a false and outdated view of the country. ‘I remember one person in our country who at one moment was minister of foreign affairs, telling me that he hated communism so much that he was not even able to read Dostoevsky. I have remembered that statement for decades and I am afraid that the current propaganda against Russia is based on a similar argument and way of thinking. I spent most of my life in a communist Czechoslovakia under Soviet domination. But I differentiate between the Soviet Union and Russia. Those who are not able to understand the difference are simply not looking with open eyes. I always argue with my American and British friends that although the political system in Russia is different from the system in our countries and we wouldn’t be happy to live in such a system, to compare the current Russia with Leonid Brezhnev’s Soviet Union is stupid.’

    He says, with finality: ‘The US/EU propaganda against Russia is really ridiculous and I can’t accept it.’
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    Watch and sharethis they try to hide it.

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:07 pm

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:12 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:

    In responce to such covered agents working as "journalists" there was a program created that uses a databank of today known "journalists" who are in lobbys like Transatlantic agencies, Transatlantik academy, Münchner Sicherheitskonferenz, Bilderberger etc. pp.

    This program is called Cahoots, everytime you use google or wikipedia or anything and the program recognizes some Name of a suppossed Journalist and if it haves already a database entry you can hover the mouse of this name that is marked with a circle and tells you in which lobbys this "journalists" are operating. The program is relative new and database is small, yet.

    Recommended to everyone, if you read articles that show author names and you can check if they are in some lobbies and operating directly for them.

    This is how it looks when you use Cahoots and it recognizes Names with database entries.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:04 pm

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/757002

    Well well well. So US is constantly trying to hire Russian diplomats to join other side. Guess Russia should expose these people, and persecute them under Russian law. Put a US citizen in a Russian prison.
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Werewolf on Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:03 am

    sepheronx wrote:http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/757002

    Well well well. So US is constantly trying to hire Russian diplomats to join other side. Guess Russia should expose these people, and persecute them under Russian law. Put a US citizen in a Russian prison.

    I've posted this fact already about a year ago, provided with a video where russian diplomats are going into US embassy on the very same day to some "meeting" and were all acting aggressivley/suspiciously to reporters when asked what they were doing there.

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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:24 am

    Exactly that, but I meant to ask what is the actual none-corrupted benefit? There really is none, except for, like you said, lining the pockets of our politicians...

    Actually bombing and destabilising countries with a lot of oil is good for the US.

    Even with countries unfriendly to the US that wont give them any contracts... if they want more money to pay for the damage they pump more oil which reduces oil prices, which is good for most western economies as cheap energy and transport costs always helps...


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  Mike E on Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:55 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Exactly that, but I meant to ask what is the actual none-corrupted benefit? There really is none, except for, like you said, lining the pockets of our politicians...

    Actually bombing and destabilising countries with a lot of oil is good for the US.

    Even with countries unfriendly to the US that wont give them any contracts... if they want more money to pay for the damage they pump more oil which reduces oil prices, which is good for most western economies as cheap energy and transport costs always helps...

    Yes, but that is corrupted as well... My question was whether or not intervention is helpful for anyone involved, and I already know the answer...
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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:10 am

    The interventions are never for the benefit of the people... usually the government has stopped cooperating and needs to be replaced.

    I realise many are claiming that the intervention in Iraq did get rid of Saddam, which they claim was a good thing... destroying a country and murdering hundreds of thousands of people... thousands of times more than Saddam himself was responsible for killing.... I am sure claiming it worked out best in the end and that justified it all in the end might help them sleep at night... but if the US did that here I don't think I could forgive and forget... and I really think if a foreign country did that to the US that the american people would feel any different either.


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    Re: Western propaganda

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:14 am

    http://russia-insider.com/en/germany_media_watch/2014/11/08/12-35-23pm/german_editor_turned_cia_whistleblower_democracy_germany

    To our German friends, how credible is this guy?

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