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    Post  max steel on Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:04 pm



    Well i have heard it several times That iksanders xant be intercepted etc etc . But where is the proof ? Why one should believe that iksanders cant be intercpeted by amerikan interceptors and does it really follow quasi-ballistic path ?
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    Post  sepheronx on Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:05 pm

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    Well i have heard it several times That iksanders xant be intercepted etc etc . But where is the proof ? Why one should believe that iksanders cant be intercpeted by amerikan interceptors and does it really follow quasi-ballistic path ?

    We can assume. And yes, Iskander follows a quasi ballistic path. Or they wouldnt have bothered to develop it. It also launches the R-500 cruise missile through a different launcher. Why do we assume the american system wont be able to intercept it? Because it already has trouble trying to take down a scud b which follows a typical ballistic path and old as shit.
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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:55 am


    Orwellian revisionist tripe. The Isakanders were deployed after the NATO ABM system was deployed. The original excuse
    for the NATO ABM was the hypothetical missile threat from Iran. Russia never bought this BS excuse and deployed the Iskanders
    to counterbalance. Now NATO's totalitarian media is spouting about this being the reason for their ABM.
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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:22 am

    US Decision to Keep Missile Defense in EU Confirms Moscow’s Worst Fears

    The recent decision by Washington to continue deploying elements of missile defense systems in Europe even after the historic nuclear deal with Iran was reached, confirmed Russia's "worst fears," Russian envoy to the European Union Vladimir Chizhov said Wednesday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Last week, Iran and six world powers reached an agreement obliging Tehran to guarantee the peaceful nature of its nuclear activities in exchange for sanctions relief. Shortly after the deal was signed, National Security Advisor to the US Vice President Colin Kahl said that the US ballistic missile defense systems were still necessary in Europe despite the agreement.

    Following the move, Moscow expressed concerns over the purposes of US missile defense systems in Europe, which Russia sees as a threat to its national security.

    “Europe is an empty shell when it comes to the draft of the European missile defense system, because it is an exclusively US initiative… Now there is a reasonable question: if Iran is no longer a threat, even if neither a partner nor an enemy, then what’s the use of [missile defense system] construction? The US stance on the issue is notable and confirms our worst fears," Chizhov said in an interview with the Rossiya 24 television channel.

    The European Union does not have a clear and common position on the issue, and it did not exist either even before the deal with Tehran was reached, the diplomat added.

    Before the nuclear deal between Iran and the P5+1 group of world powers, comprising Russia, the United States, China, the United Kingdom, France and Germany, was reached, the West had long been accusing Iran of developing nuclear weapons under the guise of a peaceful nuclear program, and imposed severe sanctions against the country.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150723/1024938216.html#ixzz3ghG3oXSI


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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  Militarov on Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:25 am

    kvs wrote:
    George1 wrote:

    Orwellian revisionist tripe.   The Isakanders were deployed after the NATO ABM system was deployed.   The original excuse
    for the NATO ABM was the hypothetical missile threat from Iran.    Russia never bought this BS excuse and deployed the Iskanders
    to counterbalance.   Now NATO's totalitarian media is spouting about this being the reason for their ABM.  

    Yeah, coz intercepting Iranian ICBMs from Romania, Poland and Spain has alot of sense. #not

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    Post  Rodinazombie on Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:00 pm

    http://www.stripes.com/news/navy-to-commission-missile-defense-base-in-romania-1.307364

    NAPLES, Italy — The Navy will commission its new missile defense base in southern Romania on Friday, one of two European land-based interceptor sites for a NATO missile shield vehemently opposed by Russia.

    The base represents a rare expansion of the U.S. footprint in Europe, and the even rarer construction of a new Navy base from the ground up.

    The base in Deveselu will be the first to feature the Aegis Ashore ballistic missile defense system, a land-based version of the sophisticated radar tracking system installed on U.S. warships since 2004. Scheduled to become operational by the end of next year, the base — which is housed within a larger Romanian military installation — will be staffed by several hundred U.S. military, civilian and contract employees. A second site, in Poland, is scheduled to become operational by 2018.

    Capt. William Garren will become the site’s first commander on Friday, officials said.

    The site is part of a NATO missile defense shield pursued by two U.S. administrations as a defense against short- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles from Iran and other rogue states. But Russia has long criticized the project, claiming it was aimed against its own ballistic missile arsenal. The dispute has taken on new significance with recent fighting between Ukraine and separatists near the Russian border and the sharp deterioration of relations between the West and Moscow.

    First announced by the George W. Bush administration in 2007, plans for an extensive missile shield focused on long-range interceptor sites, were cut back by the Obama administration in favor of an emphasis on short- and medium-range missiles.

    The current “phased, adaptive approach” for missile defense in Europe will be based on ship-borne interceptors until the permanent land sites in Romania and Poland become fully operational. It calls for regular upgrades to interceptor technology and relies on an improving network of land- and space-based sensors.

    U.S. warships equipped with Aegis systems began making regular patrols in the Mediterranean in 2011, and the U.S. is moving four of the destroyers to Rota, Spain, for the missions. An advanced radar system in Turkey was completed in 2012.

    The site at Deveselu, part of the second phase, will host an Aegis SPY-1 radar and hold 24 Standard Missile-3 interceptors of the Block IB variant. A four-story radar deckhouse, similar to those used on a warship, will be moved to the site from the U.S. East Coast as part of construction.

    The third and fourth phases were to focus on medium- and longer-range missile threats, with construction of the second land-based site in Poland and development of two new SM-3 variants. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel canceled the fourth phase last year, which called for development of the long-range SM-3 variant by 2020.

    The U.S. conducted the first test flight of its Aegis Ashore system on May 21 in Hawaii.

    Naval Support Facility Deveselu officially entered the books last week with the start of the new fiscal year, according to Capt. Eric Gardner, officer in charge of the project in Naples. A small Friday ceremony will formally mark the turnover, he said. Construction at the site continues under a $134 million contract awarded by the military last year.
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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  max steel on Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:17 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:http://www.stripes.com/news/navy-to-commission-missile-defense-base-in-romania-1.307364

    NAPLES, Italy — The Navy will commission its new missile defense base in southern Romania on Friday, one of two European land-based interceptor sites for a NATO missile shield vehemently opposed by Russia.

    The base represents a rare expansion of the U.S. footprint in Europe, and the even rarer construction of a new Navy base from the ground up.

    The base in Deveselu will be the first to feature the Aegis Ashore ballistic missile defense system, a land-based version of the sophisticated radar tracking system installed on U.S. warships since 2004. Scheduled to become operational by the end of next year, the base — which is housed within a larger Romanian military installation — will be staffed by several hundred U.S. military, civilian and contract employees. A second site, in Poland, is scheduled to become operational by 2018.

    Capt. William Garren will become the site’s first commander on Friday, officials said.

    The site is part of a NATO missile defense shield pursued by two U.S. administrations as a defense against short- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles from Iran and other rogue states. But Russia has long criticized the project, claiming it was aimed against its own ballistic missile arsenal. The dispute has taken on new significance with recent fighting between Ukraine and separatists near the Russian border and the sharp deterioration of relations between the West and Moscow.

    First announced by the George W. Bush administration in 2007, plans for an extensive missile shield focused on long-range interceptor sites, were cut back by the Obama administration in favor of an emphasis on short- and medium-range missiles.

    The current “phased, adaptive approach” for missile defense in Europe will be based on ship-borne interceptors until the permanent land sites in Romania and Poland become fully operational. It calls for regular upgrades to interceptor technology and relies on an improving network of land- and space-based sensors.

    U.S. warships equipped with Aegis systems began making regular patrols in the Mediterranean in 2011, and the U.S. is moving four of the destroyers to Rota, Spain, for the missions. An advanced radar system in Turkey was completed in 2012.

    The site at Deveselu, part of the second phase, will host an Aegis SPY-1 radar and hold 24 Standard Missile-3 interceptors of the Block IB variant. A four-story radar deckhouse, similar to those used on a warship, will be moved to the site from the U.S. East Coast as part of construction.

    The third and fourth phases were to focus on medium- and longer-range missile threats, with construction of the second land-based site in Poland and development of two new SM-3 variants. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel canceled the fourth phase last year, which called for development of the long-range SM-3 variant by 2020.

    The U.S. conducted the first test flight of its Aegis Ashore system on May 21 in Hawaii.

    Naval Support Facility Deveselu officially entered the books last week with the start of the new fiscal year, according to Capt. Eric Gardner, officer in charge of the project in Naples. A small Friday ceremony will formally mark the turnover, he said. Construction at the site continues under a $134 million contract awarded by the military last year.



    so arrogant muritards will not comply to Russia's request. No

    Time to place nuclear tipped Iksanders in Koenigsberg.

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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  Rodinazombie on Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:27 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:http://www.stripes.com/news/navy-to-commission-missile-defense-base-in-romania-1.307364

    NAPLES, Italy — The Navy will commission its new missile defense base in southern Romania on Friday, one of two European land-based interceptor sites for a NATO missile shield vehemently opposed by Russia.

    The base represents a rare expansion of the U.S. footprint in Europe, and the even rarer construction of a new Navy base from the ground up.

    The base in Deveselu will be the first to feature the Aegis Ashore ballistic missile defense system, a land-based version of the sophisticated radar tracking system installed on U.S. warships since 2004. Scheduled to become operational by the end of next year, the base — which is housed within a larger Romanian military installation — will be staffed by several hundred U.S. military, civilian and contract employees. A second site, in Poland, is scheduled to become operational by 2018.

    Capt. William Garren will become the site’s first commander on Friday, officials said.

    The site is part of a NATO missile defense shield pursued by two U.S. administrations as a defense against short- and intermediate-range ballistic missiles from Iran and other rogue states. But Russia has long criticized the project, claiming it was aimed against its own ballistic missile arsenal. The dispute has taken on new significance with recent fighting between Ukraine and separatists near the Russian border and the sharp deterioration of relations between the West and Moscow.

    First announced by the George W. Bush administration in 2007, plans for an extensive missile shield focused on long-range interceptor sites, were cut back by the Obama administration in favor of an emphasis on short- and medium-range missiles.

    The current “phased, adaptive approach” for missile defense in Europe will be based on ship-borne interceptors until the permanent land sites in Romania and Poland become fully operational. It calls for regular upgrades to interceptor technology and relies on an improving network of land- and space-based sensors.

    U.S. warships equipped with Aegis systems began making regular patrols in the Mediterranean in 2011, and the U.S. is moving four of the destroyers to Rota, Spain, for the missions. An advanced radar system in Turkey was completed in 2012.

    The site at Deveselu, part of the second phase, will host an Aegis SPY-1 radar and hold 24 Standard Missile-3 interceptors of the Block IB variant. A four-story radar deckhouse, similar to those used on a warship, will be moved to the site from the U.S. East Coast as part of construction.

    The third and fourth phases were to focus on medium- and longer-range missile threats, with construction of the second land-based site in Poland and development of two new SM-3 variants. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel canceled the fourth phase last year, which called for development of the long-range SM-3 variant by 2020.

    The U.S. conducted the first test flight of its Aegis Ashore system on May 21 in Hawaii.

    Naval Support Facility Deveselu officially entered the books last week with the start of the new fiscal year, according to Capt. Eric Gardner, officer in charge of the project in Naples. A small Friday ceremony will formally mark the turnover, he said. Construction at the site continues under a $134 million contract awarded by the military last year.



    so arrogant muritards will not comply to Russia's request. No

    Time to place nuclear tipped Iksanders in Koenigsberg.

    At least this time they dont have to 'pretend' that they are to defend against iran.

    What scares me about missile shields, is that it might give them a feeling of invulnerability, and rather than act as a deterrent against russia it may encourage them to be more reckless.







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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:23 pm

    Putin: Russia to develop strike systems capable of penetrating any missile defense shield

    According to the Russian president, the true goal of the US missile defense shield is to neutralize Russia’s nuclear potential

    SOCHI, November 10. /TASS/. Russia will be developing strike systems capable of penetrating any missile defense shield, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

    "We’ll be working on the anti-missile defense system as well, but at the first stage, as we have said on many occasions, we’ll also be working on strike systems capable of penetrating any anti-missile defense shield," Putin said at a meeting on the development of the Russian Armed Forces.

    Putin said the meeting would discuss the development of such weapon systems that would determine the outlook of the Russian Armed Forces for the next decade and will become a response to the challenges confronted by Russia.

    According to the Russian president, the true goal of the US missile defense shield is to neutralize Russia’s nuclear potential.

    "The references to the Iranian and North Korean nuclear threats only disguise true plans. And their true purpose is to neutralize the strategic nuclear potential of other nuclear states, except the United States and its allies, first of all, the nuclear potential of our country, Russia," Putin said.

    The United States and its allies continue building the global missile defense system, the Russian president said.

    "Moreover, unfortunately, they are not taking into account either our concerns or proposals for cooperation," Putin added.

    Russia has been assured on many occasions that the European segment of the US missile defense shield is developing in the wake of a threat from Iranian ballistic missiles, the Russian president said.

    "However, we know that the situation with the Iranian nuclear problem has been settled and the relevant agreements have been signed. Moreover, they have been approved by the relevant parliaments. Nevertheless, the work on anti-missile defense systems is continuing," Putin said.

    Therefore, the references to the Iranian and North Korean nuclear threats are only a cover for the US true plans, the Russian president said.

    "And the US true goals are to neutralize the strategic nuclear potential of other nuclear states, except the United States and its allies, first of all, the nuclear potential of our country, Russia. Hence the desire to get decisive supremacy with all ensuing consequences," Putin said.

    "We have said on many occasions that Russia will take all necessary measures to strengthen the potential of its strategic nuclear forces," the Russian president said.


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    Post  DerWolf on Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:07 pm

    ‘Polish missile shield’ rockets tested
    11.12.2015 14:43

    The rockets which would make up the NATO missile-shield unit in Poland and the CEE region, have been successfully tested in Hawaii.
    Photo: Wikimedia Commons
    Photo: Wikimedia Commons
    A successful test of the antiballistic SM-3 missile was conducted on Thursday.
    The rockets will be used as part of a NATO missile defence shield in the CEE region, including Poland.
    “The Missile Defense Agency conducted the first intercept test of a Raytheon Land-Based Standard Missile-3 Block IB from the Aegis Ashore Missile Defense Test Complex. The SM-3 destroyed an intermediate range ballistic missile target in space by using remote track data from [a] ballistic missile defense radar in a 'launch-on-remote' engagement,” read a press statement released by Raytheon, a US defence contractor.
    The missile base will become operational in line with plans, and will be launched later this year in Romania.
    A base in Redzikowo, northern Poland should also become operational by 2018.
    In September, the Sejm lower house of Parliament authorised the president to ratify the technical agreement on the Redzikowo base with the United States. (rg/rk)

    http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/232509,%E2%80%98Polish-missile-shield%E2%80%99-rockets-tested
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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  max steel on Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:28 pm

    DerWolf wrote:‘Polish missile shield’ rockets tested
    11.12.2015 14:43

    The rockets which would make up the NATO missile-shield unit in Poland and the CEE region, have been successfully tested in Hawaii.

    A successful test of the antiballistic SM-3 missile was conducted on Thursday.
    The rockets will be used as part of a NATO missile defence shield in the CEE region, including Poland.
    “The Missile Defense Agency conducted the first intercept test of a Raytheon Land-Based Standard Missile-3 Block IB from the Aegis Ashore Missile Defense Test Complex. The SM-3 destroyed an intermediate range ballistic missile target in space by using remote track data from [a] ballistic missile defense radar in a 'launch-on-remote' engagement,” read a press statement released by Raytheon, a US defence contractor.
    The missile base will become operational in line with plans, and will be launched later this year in Romania.
    A base in Redzikowo, northern Poland should also become operational by 2018.


    I've read it earlier and it shows that US isn't not at all interested in listening to Russia. It's time for repercussions.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:52 pm

    max steel wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:‘Polish missile shield’ rockets tested
    11.12.2015 14:43

    The rockets which would make up the NATO missile-shield unit in Poland and the CEE region, have been successfully tested in Hawaii.

    A successful test of the antiballistic SM-3 missile was conducted on Thursday.
    The rockets will be used as part of a NATO missile defence shield in the CEE region, including Poland.
    “The Missile Defense Agency conducted the first intercept test of a Raytheon Land-Based Standard Missile-3 Block IB from the Aegis Ashore Missile Defense Test Complex. The SM-3 destroyed an intermediate range ballistic missile target in space by using remote track data from [a] ballistic missile defense radar in a 'launch-on-remote' engagement,” read a press statement released by Raytheon, a US defence contractor.
    The missile base will become operational in line with plans, and will be launched later this year in Romania.
    A base in Redzikowo, northern Poland should also become operational by 2018.


    I've read it earlier and it shows that US isn't not at all interested in listening to Russia. It's time for repercussions.

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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:37 am

    The operational range of SM-3 is about 700km in the early models and up to 2,500km in later planned versions.

    Basing it in Europe... even just testing it in Europe is a violation of the INF treaty.

    I rather suspect the US jumping up and down saying cruise missiles on the Iskander platform violate the INF treaty is so they can claim Russia did it first and let them move the SM-3s into Europe...


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    Post  Towen on Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:33 am

    Good evening, from a rookie. Well, from one in this forum that is. I do however, have experience of the kind I can tell you very little about. When I follow this thread there is one crucial thing I see you people in here do not realise: The primary reason for the US to pursue a increasingly complex infrastructure of a so called Missile Shield in Europe and surplus areas - is NOT - to intercept and terminate hostile ballistic missiles (so be it a wanted fraction of it). Rather, it is a premature precursor to a Strategic Master Plan, a PAX Americana of Space Dominance. Star Wars in it cradle and future militarization of space. Think kill satellites. Think X-37 B. Think of the "Shield"-deployment as a small comparmentalized part of a much broader picture - a "Manhattan Project" of the space era.

    I would also like to comment on a previous passus in this thread stating that the US military spending surpasses the 18 following militaries in the world combined. A passus mocked by many in the following discussion. However, I think what was meant from the beginning and somewhat mixed up was - and this is TRUE - The US NAVY is considered to be larger than the following SEVENTEEN NAVIES combined..


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    Post  Towen on Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:07 am

    I also would like to say I am not a one eyed pro american. I do not believe in a unipolar world - but not in a multipolar one either. It is only through a united conglomerate of the rich infrastructure (hard and soft) of the worlds major powers we as a spieces will be able to find the technology and spirit to evolve over millennias. To leave this world and to colonize others. Our ONLY chance to survive. That goes for Washington and for Moscow equally. And no, The F/A 22 Raptor nor the PAK T 50 will do it for any of us..
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    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:20 pm

    Moscow sees deployment of US missile defense system in Romania as violation of INF Treaty

    On December 18 construction works were completed in Deveselu in Romania to deploy US MK 41 launchers

    MOSCOW, December 24. /TASS/. Deployment of US MK 41 launchers in Romania is a violation of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, Russian Foreign Ministry official spokesperson Maria Zakharova told a briefing on Thursday.

    ‘We have repeatedly expressed our point of view and estimates of US missile defense plans and noted that they run counter to tasks of strengthening international security and stability," she said. "However, the United States and their allies persistently continue to carry out this destabilizing and dangerous program, and the arguments they use are becoming less and less believable," she added.

    "On December 18 construction works were completed in Deveselu in Romania. After testing and fixing equipment, the facility will enter the stage of operational readiness in the first half of 2016," Zakharova said. "Consequently, the second stage of adaptive approach to deploying elements of US global missile defense system in Europe was completed."

    "MK 41 vertical launching systems are part of the missile defense system in the aforementioned place. They are used by US Navy ships for firing interceptor missiles and Tomahawk winged medium-range missiles," Zakharova said. "This gives us grounds to consider their appearance on the ground as a direct violation of INF Treaty provisions by the United States," she added.


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    Post  George1 on Thu May 12, 2016 1:24 pm

    Romania's Missile Defense System to Go Live Despite Russian Objections

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160512/1039472039/Romanias-Missile-Defense-Systemto-Live.html#ixzz48RKb7iNf



    Russia Could Drop START Treaty Due to New Air Defense Systems in Europe

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    Post  George1 on Thu May 12, 2016 1:25 pm

    Missile Defense Program in Romania to Increase NATO 'Defensive' Coverage

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160512/1039479967/nato-missile-defense-stoltenberg.html#ixzz48RKg3Jty


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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  sepheronx on Thu May 12, 2016 2:41 pm

    I got a good idea: why not leave start, but don't say anything? The US openly lies regarding placement of systems and missiles while violating imf treaty, so why not violate both as well and just lie like US. They will complain but they already do. At least America won't know what Russia has/building so can't counter it. Russia is too honest imo. Build ground launch Kalibr missiles with a larger fuel tank and the newer fuel so it can reach from Eastern Russia to US coast, and deeper inside Russia to Romania and Poland.
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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  OminousSpudd on Thu May 12, 2016 8:40 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I got a good idea: why not leave start, but don't say anything? The US openly lies regarding placement of systems and missiles while violating imf treaty, so why not violate both as well and just lie like US. They will complain but they already do. At least America won't know what Russia has/building so can't counter it. Russia is too honest imo. Build ground launch Kalibr missiles with a larger fuel tank and the newer fuel so it can reach from Eastern Russia to US coast, and deeper inside Russia to Romania and Poland.
    Agree.

    I suppose Russians will always act with a degree of naivety when it comes to dealing with the West, it's just the way they are. The collapse of the Soviet Union demonstrated this naivety to disastrous effect. Sadly, being honest and fighting the good fight only works if people can see it; MSM makes sure the majority of us don't.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu May 12, 2016 9:28 pm

    Or they leave the pandora's box closed because Putin can't be president for ever and i doubt the next one will be set in stone to be a patriot.
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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  sepheronx on Thu May 12, 2016 9:50 pm

    He won't be president forever but there was a good article on South front about the rise of ONR, or in other words the nationalists. If you take a gander on who is popular or not, not a single one of the liberals is popular. The other guys (LDPR) can be quite scary. You of all people should know that the none patriotic Russians are pretty much pariah.

    The transition of Putin to the new guy will be controlled imo. So we will get someone similar or tougher. As that is what is popular.
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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  Militarov on Thu May 12, 2016 10:12 pm

    Call me dumb, but i would like Natalia Poklonskaya to be president, somehow she is intimidating in..weird freaky way.
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    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  Werewolf on Thu May 12, 2016 10:21 pm

    The scariest part would be if Zhirnovsky or one of his stooges gets president based on his "patriotism" which he loudly claims to have. One of the worst, would lick US ass in a second after being elected.

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