Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


    NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Share
    avatar
    max steel

    Posts : 2979
    Points : 3011
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  max steel on Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:03 am

    Denmark unlikely to join NATO’s missile shield — expert   dunno


    http://tass.ru/en/world/784466


    btw why the hell there are two us satellites shown just above russia in east . Must be taken down .


    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10215
    Points : 10703
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:01 pm

    NATO: Iran Deal or Not, Missile Shield Will Stay

    NATO will go ahead with its plans to deploy a fully-fledged missile defense network in Europe despite the recent agreement with Tehran aimed at preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons, spokeswoman Oana Lungescu told Sputnik on Friday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik), Alexander Mosesov — The spokeswoman reiterated that the so-called European missile shield is not directed against Russia.

    "The threat to NATO countries posed by the proliferation of ballistic missiles continues to increase… The framework [Iran nuclear program] agreement does not change that fact," Lungescu said.

    On Thursday, Tehran and the P5+1 countries, comprising Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom, China, France and Germany agreed a political framework for a comprehensive agreement aimed at ensuring the peaceful nature of Iranian nuclear activities.

    In December 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Washington had created threats for Russia by expanding its missile defense shield, placing elements in Eastern Europe, close to the Russian border.

    However, NATO earlier claimed that the system was primarily aimed at protecting its allies, countering threats from Iran and North Korea.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150403/1020449551.html#ixzz3WH3nE599
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16281
    Points : 16912
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:22 am

    So despite deal with Iran on Iranian nukes the US ABM shield in Europe will continue.... that clears that up... the US ABM shield in Europe is directed at Russia... so one can assume the ABM system proposed by the US to Japan and South Korea will also be directed at Russia and China...


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    AlfaT8

    Posts : 1334
    Points : 1341
    Join date : 2013-02-02

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:10 am

    The Pentagon’s $10-billion bet gone bad

    Trying to fashion a shield against a sneak missile attack, military planners gambled on costly projects that flopped, leaving a hole in U.S. homeland defense.

    Leaders of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency were effusive about the new technology.

    It was the most powerful radar of its kind in the world, they told Congress. So powerful it could detect a baseball over San Francisco from the other side of the country.

    If North Korea launched a sneak attack, the Sea-Based X-Band Radar — SBX for short — would spot the incoming missiles, track them through space and guide U.S. rocket-interceptors to destroy them.

    Crucially, the system would be able to distinguish between actual missiles and decoys.

    SBX “represents a capability that is unmatched,” the director of the Missile Defense Agency told a Senate subcommittee in 2007.

    In reality, the giant floating radar has been a $2.2-billion flop, a Los Angeles Times investigation found.
    ...............

    http://graphics.latimes.com/missile-defense/

    Wow,  couldn't add the entire article,but wow, just wow. Shocked Shocked
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10215
    Points : 10703
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:02 pm

    Russia warned that it is ready to neutralize US anti-ballistic missile system
    Russian Aviaton » Tuesday April 7, 2015 16:09 MSK

    Russia is able to counter US anti-ballistic missile system, official representative of Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Alexander Lukashevich, said. Despite having such capabilities, Moscow would rather not use it, the representative added, RBC reports.

    «In order to keep the strategic balance, we have capabilities to counter US anti-ballistic missile system, but we are not going to use it unnecessarily,» the official said. «But just to let members of this system know: Russia has all the capabilities needed to neutralize such threats,» Lukashevich warned countries, which are going to place elements of US anti-ballistic missile system in their territory.

    Over the last few years Moscow has been protesting against deployment of US anti-ballistic missile systems in Europe close to the borders of Russian Federation. Russia also took countermeasures and placed missile early-warning systems in the most western region of the country – Kaliningrad Region.

    Last month Bloomberg reported with reference to some officials that USA might try to pressure Moscow (in light of Ukrainian crisis) by means of expanding its military presence in the Eastern Europe and Scandinavia: deploying air defense and anti-ballistic missile systems, military units of the army as well as surveillance units. In January NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced establishment of the alliance’s command centers in six countries: Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

    Last September after verbal confrontation between Russia and USA the countries started massive maneuvers. Russia held military exercise aimed at practicing the interaction between Topol missile systems and aviation, while NATO involved thousands of service members in massive maneuvers held in the Western part of Ukraine.
    avatar
    max steel

    Posts : 2979
    Points : 3011
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Now can these SM intercept Russian irbms , mrbms & srbms ?

    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:47 pm

    Does Russia posses any IRBM, SRBM and MRBM which they are planning to target Europe with . I think thats why europeans are going with aegis anti ball missile defence .

    If russia has to attack usa it will use icbms or slbms . So this SM class of missiles are basically to form a shield in europe .

    Now can these SM intercept Russian irbms , mrbms & srbms ?
    avatar
    sepheronx

    Posts : 7255
    Points : 7555
    Join date : 2009-08-06
    Age : 28
    Location : Canada

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:58 pm

    IRBM's like Iskander and Tochka U. Tochka's may be able to be intercepted as they are nothing advanced but Iskander is two systems really: a quasi ballistic missile and other ones are cruise missiles. The quasi ballistic missile flies at a different path than a typical BM and thus harder to track and engage. It also is manouverable and may posses decoys of some sort. The cruise missile would possible be used to strike abm systems.

    But Iskander is indeed in western Russia, Belarus and Kaliningrad.
    avatar
    max steel

    Posts : 2979
    Points : 3011
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:16 pm

    Can I know what all cruise missiles can be used to neutralize ussa abm in europe both on land and water ( aegis bmd ) ?
    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10215
    Points : 10703
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:23 pm

    NATO not going to cancel deployment of US missile defense system in Europe — Russian envoy
    avatar
    max steel

    Posts : 2979
    Points : 3011
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:44 pm

    If they don't cancel it russia must pull out from INF Treaty . enough is enough .

    Vann7

    Posts : 3452
    Points : 3570
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:35 am

    max steel wrote:Can I know what all cruise missiles can be used to neutralize ussa abm in europe both on land and water ( aegis bmd ) ?

    Iskander cruise missile version is made for that.. also Kalibrs/Club missiles land attack version.
    This ones have up to 3500km range.. or 2600km depending the source. Enough to hit any military base in europe from Russia.  There are also nuclear cruise missiles with 5,000km range
    forgot the model..

    About US vs Russia defense..
    As far i have read ,based on their own simulation videos ,Sm-3 is not a missile interceptor.. but more like a space orbit mine..  that is transported by a missile carrier to the place where NATO expect the missile to pass.. when launched from Russia. Because is very limited its propulsion system.. is just a mine with very rigid mobility by boosters it cannot be used to chase anything.
    is a mine you place in front of a predicted trajectory of a passing missile in very high altitude exosphere space orbit. So Sm-3 will have problems to intercept a missile that do maneuvers
    and cannot be used in anything but gravity zero space.

    So the system of defense, SM-3. is only useful only against missiles with a linear trajectory.
    but if it change the course , when the mine is placed , it will fail since cannot chase. is not a missile.

    So we can say US navy is more advanced that Russia navy when it comes to high altitude ballistic missiles defense.Russia navy have nothing of that. All Russian defenses are in Land.
    S-400 no idea of its range but if it is true can do 180km altitude.. it could do the same and be used as a mid course interceptor.

    S-500 will apparently be an all altitude interceptor. So essentially will do it all in just one missile. Can intercept either Planes ,or ICBM. Americans in the other hand.. needs no less than 3 system of defenses or possibly 4 to cover the entire range of territory defend against air or space attacks.

    S-400's and others systems will do the job of space interception. So which is more advanced..
    thats impossible to know.. unless they tested..in real war conditions , But all the info i have seen suggest US is not really satisfied with their missile interceptors on land. while Russia it is.

    The next article will show you how complicate is interception of ICBMs..  Is not an easy thing
    at all.. and the best way to intercept them it seems to be before they are in their final trajectory.. ie. .mid course.. because in the final path ,they drop decoys and many other things ,
    that really complicates interception.. this is true for both , for Russia and US.

    http://www.crazedfanboy.com/roth/missiledefense.html

    So to play safe.. Russia will need to deploy missiles capable of Mid course interception ,that is real missiles.. (not space mines like SM-3) at borders of Russia. to counter any nuclear attack before it enters in Russia space . Because im afraid the interception of nuclear missiles in the final stage is next to impossible from land..  This is why i think Russia should really push
    for militarization of Space.. why Russia needs to deploy satellite interceptors or a space station
    with anti ICBM defenses.. or perhaps laser defenses. .that will truly take things in security to a new level.

    Vann7

    Posts : 3452
    Points : 3570
    Join date : 2012-05-16

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:11 am

    GarryB wrote:Interception is 4D maths.

    Is even more complex..

    Is more like Physics and Differential equations.. with 8-10 unknown variables.. or
    "10D maths" if you like.. Gravity ,Acceleration,speed ,Atmospheric pressure ,Position initial ,
    Position at expected interception ,Mass, Time ,altitude ,range ,etc etc..  then you need to do this for the interceptor and also for the missile.  Then you will end with a very long differential
    equation ..   With computers it can be done fast .. but any unexpected thing can screw the whole thing. Like bad weather , rain ,snow. Why is never perfect any system of defense.. and the rating is never 100% .  Decoys also makes things more complex.. is indeed a real science how to design Ballistic defenses system. According to Russia.. US spend like 15 years of trial and error their THAAD until it had an acceptable performance. But this was of course testing it
    against their own technology.. under ideal conditions. like 3-4 warheads.. and knowing when the attack will happen ,last i read.

    A nuclear warhead can help ,but it can be a problem if you have a continuous attack.
    could end blinding your own radars ,your own defenses.  Ideally Russia should have Space
    Station like the ISS ,but completely made by Russia , and covering the entire Russia federation territory and monitoring any launch of anything. armed with interceptors. for early course intercept..and mid course intercept. that will really takes things to a new level.

    Firebird

    Posts : 945
    Points : 977
    Join date : 2011-10-14

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  Firebird on Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:45 am

    I think Russia has superior tech in nuclear terms - both deployment and S-500 etc.
    It also has aspects like underground bases to a higher level than the US.

    The problem Russia has is that NATO is at its borders. Europe, Mexico, Canada etc can be used as buffers for Uncle Sham. They can attempt to shoot down Russian missiles as they leave Russian borders (ie before they have split into MIRVS etc). America can also attempt saturation attacks via subs, planes, cruise missiles, hypersonic missiles near Russian borders.

    Russia can hope to use Cuba, Venezuela, its Far East, the N Pole route. But its having to send its missiles greater distances. And it has to send up a smaller number of carrier missiles ie stage 1 which only split up just before reaching America.

    Look how close Moscow, St P and much of Russia is to NATO. Look how far America is from Russia.
    THIS is why America thinks it can shit stir in Europe.

    Historically the balance of power has been acceptable, because long range ie ICBM missiles were impossible for the US(or Russia) to shoot down. But with ABM advances, I wonder what will happen.

    And I dont believe for a millisecond that America doesnt have loads of nukes in states bordering Russia.

    Clearly lasers, space based ABMs, bases on Russian borders are clear threats. America is also toadeying up to Cuba, and causing shit in Venezuela and other pro Russia states. Not to mention orthodox/Russian places such as Romania and the Eastern former Ukraine.

    Russia needs to alter the balance back in its favour geographically. Because superior tech can only get you so far.

    It should place "non nuclear" bases (haha) in Cuba, Venezueala and other Central Am/Carribean places. It should pressure Cz, Pol and Romania against hosting bases esp ABMs there. Perhaps space based interceptors are needed too. I would let Lvov separate from the Ukraine but keep Russian bases on its territory.

    I think Russia sat back a little with the Ukraine. It cannot afford to sit back with nuclear geopolitics.
    avatar
    max steel

    Posts : 2979
    Points : 3011
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  max steel on Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:31 am

    US cant keep its nuclear weapons in europe as it violates npt . But still they have  2 ,000 ,000,000 $ bombers in Germany . You cant militarize space as it violates anoyhrr treaty . US is signatory to both of them and till now they itted to it . Laser based weapons currently are limited . Nato basing missile shield is a problem because usa is saving its ass by sabotaging europeans .

    As I said Russia must pull out from INF treaty the moment usa places its shield .

    What about SM-6 ? Is it also similar to SM-3 ? Btw do all ballistic missiles have predicted trajectory ?

    par far

    Posts : 1403
    Points : 1560
    Join date : 2014-06-26

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  par far on Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:09 pm

    Firebird wrote:I think Russia has superior tech in nuclear terms - both deployment and S-500 etc.
    It also has aspects like underground bases to a higher level than the US.

    The problem Russia has is that NATO is at its borders. Europe, Mexico, Canada etc can be used as buffers for Uncle Sham. They can attempt to shoot down Russian missiles as they leave Russian borders (ie before they have split into MIRVS etc). America can also attempt saturation attacks via subs, planes, cruise missiles, hypersonic missiles near Russian borders.

    Russia can hope to use Cuba, Venezuela, its Far East, the N Pole route. But its having to send its missiles greater distances. And it has to send up a smaller number of carrier missiles ie stage 1 which only split up just before reaching America.

    Look how close Moscow, St P and much of Russia is to NATO. Look how far America is from Russia.
    THIS is why America thinks it can shit stir in Europe.

    Historically the balance of power has been acceptable, because long range ie ICBM missiles were impossible for the US(or Russia) to shoot down. But with ABM advances, I wonder what will happen.

    And I dont believe for a millisecond that America doesnt have loads of nukes in states bordering Russia.

    Clearly lasers, space based ABMs, bases on Russian borders are clear threats. America is also toadeying up to Cuba, and causing shit in Venezuela and other pro Russia states. Not to mention orthodox/Russian places such as Romania and the Eastern former Ukraine.

    Russia needs to alter the balance back in its favour geographically. Because superior tech can only get you so far.

    It should place "non nuclear" bases (haha) in Cuba, Venezueala and other Central Am/Carribean places. It should pressure Cz, Pol and Romania against hosting bases esp ABMs there. Perhaps space based interceptors are needed too. I would let Lvov separate from the Ukraine but keep Russian bases on its territory.

    I think Russia sat back a little with the Ukraine. It cannot afford to sit back with nuclear geopolitics.


    Very well said, Russia has to be ready to respond if necessary.
    avatar
    sepheronx

    Posts : 7255
    Points : 7555
    Join date : 2009-08-06
    Age : 28
    Location : Canada

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:39 pm

    max steel wrote:US cant keep its nuclear weapons in europe as it violates npt . But still they have  2 ,000 ,000,000 $ bombers in Germany . You cant militarize space as it violates anoyhrr treaty . US is signatory to both of them and till now they itted to it . Laser based weapons currently are limited . Nato basing missile shield is a problem because usa is saving its ass by sabotaging europeans .

    As I said Russia must pull out from INF treaty the moment usa places its shield .

    What about SM-6 ? Is it also similar to SM-3 ? Btw do all ballistic missiles have predicted trajectory ?

    Most do, but the ballistic flight path these days can change with manouverable missiles and warheads. As well, some have the the ability to fly a somewhat ballistic path like Iskander, making it very hard to engage. Decoys and what not make them also nearly impossible to take down.

    It is well thought that in turn to a nuclear exchange, Russia would launch their old and outdated missiles to saturate the defense systems, then launch the real stuff.

    Also, as Austin pointed out, the success rate is poor on these abm systems and are not geared to combat other types of missiles like cruise missiles.
    avatar
    Viktor

    Posts : 5672
    Points : 6321
    Join date : 2009-08-25
    Age : 36
    Location : Croatia

    Now can these SM intercept Russian irbms , mrbms & srbms ?

    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:30 pm

    It does not matter is SM-3 better or S-500 as long as S-500 does for what it was designed for and it was designed to shoot down any ICBM/SLBM and hypersonic cruise missiles

    flying up to 100km altitude at the speeds of Mach 20.

    Pancir-S1/TOR-M2 combo will eat every cruise missile on their path and thats what matters. S-400 will shoot E-3 and E-8 at 400km distance and thats what matters etc ...

    integration is important, new satellite targeting networks etc. Once up and running with Russian global promt strike up and running by 2021 under the guidance of Russian aerospace

    defense forces branch all illusions will be shattered.

    Remember also that Russian factories are chewing 1.5k cruise missiles per year Very Happy

    New train, mobile ICBM are being introduced as well as new bomber but also the most secretive branch of all - ASAT.

    US while ahead still has many years to spend developing things on which we are discussing right now as being done deal (and it isnt) and they have huuuge military to support at the

    times while money is slowly being dried out.


    avatar
    George1

    Posts : 10215
    Points : 10703
    Join date : 2011-12-22
    Location : Greece

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:37 pm

    Dmitry Peskov: Russia will take measures if Ukraine deploys elements of foreign ballistic missile defense systems in its territory
    Russian Aviaton » Thursday June 25, 2015 14:01 MSK

    Russia will take measures aimed at assuring the national security if Ukraine deploys elements of US ballistic missile defense systems in its territory, TASS reports with reference to Russian President’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov.

    “If Ukraine wants to deploy elements of US ballistic missile defense systems in its territory, this will cause a negative reaction, because this move is posing a threat to the security of our country,” the Kremlin’s representative said, adding that he didn’t study the details of such statements made by Ukrainian representatives.

    “This will force Russia to take countermeasures in order to assure its national security,” he noted. At that Peskov noted that these speculations are of eventual nature.

    Earlier the Secretary of National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDCU), Alexander Turchinov, said that he leaves open the possibility of holding consultations related to installation of components of ballistic missile defense systems in the country’s territory in order “to protect the country from Russia nuclear threat”.

    “We are reconstructing our nuclear shield without violating international agreements; its primary objective is to protect the country from Russia nuclear threat,” he said.

    Once again Turchinov accused Russia of deploying nuclear missiles in Crimea. He believes that in this situation “joint efforts of all the leading countries are required”. “This should be a combination of economic, political and military actions. In particular, we need to strengthen the common system, designed for protecting against nuclear threats, and deploy additional elements of ballistic missile defense systems,” the NSDCU secretary said.

    Moreover, Turchinov urged the western countries to block the way through Bosporus for Russian vessels and disconnect Russia from SWIFT system.


    _________________
    "There's no smoke without fire.", Georgy Zhukov

    avatar
    ahmedfire

    Posts : 704
    Points : 876
    Join date : 2010-11-11
    Location : egypt

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  ahmedfire on Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:46 pm

    Russia should destroy any future US ABM in Ukraine,there is no second choice .
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16281
    Points : 16912
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:33 pm

    If any part of a US ABM system appeared in the Ukraine I am pretty sure the first thing the Russians will do is pull out of the new START treaty and start increasing production of ICBM warheads to a level they feel would be uninterceptible... probably about 3,000.

    I suspect they might also tear up the INF treaty and start putting IRBMs on their European borders... they already have SAMs able to deal with this class of missile so if the US did the same it would not matter that much...


    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    ahmedfire

    Posts : 704
    Points : 876
    Join date : 2010-11-11
    Location : egypt

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  ahmedfire on Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:18 pm

    GarryB wrote:If any part of a US ABM system appeared in the Ukraine I am pretty sure the first thing the Russians will do is pull out of the new START treaty and start increasing production of ICBM warheads to a level they feel would be uninterceptible... probably about 3,000.

    I suspect they might also tear up the INF treaty and start putting IRBMs on their European borders... they already have SAMs able to deal with this class of missile so if the US did the same it would not matter that much...
    This will be good and enough , US knows Russia will take actions like that , this could lead to a war , the question is why US want to Pull the trigger , is she want war that easy way , that's Disgusting.
    avatar
    max steel

    Posts : 2979
    Points : 3011
    Join date : 2015-02-12
    Location : South Pole

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  max steel on Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:26 pm

    usa aegis can intercept IRBMs successfully . Russia should rather opt for Iksander irbms with nuclear warheads .their sams cant intercept iksanders .
    avatar
    GarryB

    Posts : 16281
    Points : 16912
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:55 am

    This will be good and enough , US knows Russia will take actions like that , this could lead to a war , the question is why US want to Pull the trigger , is she want war that easy way , that's Disgusting.

    More likely the US will piss its pants because instead of submitting the Russians have dared to take action in response.

    The US prefers to deal with cowards and the weak and thinks it can treat anyone this way... after all they are the only super power left so it is their right and responsibility to make other countries bow to their will and if they are good in time they will get the privilege to be slightly more like the US than they are now... but only if they do everything in their power to keep the US rich and powerful now.



    _________________
    “The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion […] but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.”

    ― Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order
    avatar
    sepheronx

    Posts : 7255
    Points : 7555
    Join date : 2009-08-06
    Age : 28
    Location : Canada

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:19 pm

    max steel wrote:usa aegis can intercept IRBMs successfully . Russia should rather opt for Iksander irbms with nuclear warheads .their sams cant intercept iksanders .

    Their ABM systems cannot stop cruise missiles as they fly too low and too fast and at an unpredictable course, much like Iskander (which flies at a quasi ballistic path). So long range cruise missiles may be ideal in the future for Russia. If they dump the INF treaty because how US is operating, then Iskanders carrying R-500's in numbers, that carry a nuclear warhead, would be ideal.
    avatar
    Werewolf

    Posts : 5361
    Points : 5598
    Join date : 2012-10-24

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:13 pm

    SM-3 and SM-6 patriot like missiles have not even virtually a chance intercepting IRBM's or ICBM's they are there soley to intercept cruise missiles and the launching plattforms to sustain their domination over entire EU and their logistical and nuclear facilities which are illegally on german,netherland, italian, turkish soil not to mention the illegal nukes in France and Britian which are not obligated by Start treaty despite being NATO member meaning US slave which makes them indirectly US nukes.

    Sponsored content

    Re: NATO ΑΒΜ Shield in Europe and Russia's response

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:22 am