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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:51 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Austin wrote:FAS: Status of World Nuclear Forces


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    Funny numbers, not even close to reality.

    Just like MSNBC not to tell the whole truth, here's the State Dept. publishing the numbers found in the Start treaty:

    http://www.state.gov/t/avc/rls/224236.htm

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:19 pm

    Do you really think we know, even approximately, how much everyone has?

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:24 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Austin wrote:FAS: Status of World Nuclear Forces


    link

    Funny numbers, not even close to reality.

    Just like MSNBC not to tell the whole truth, here's the State Dept. publishing the numbers found in the Start treaty:

    http://www.state.gov/t/avc/rls/224236.htm

    Not only that this list you posted only includes ICBM's ready to fire and not the entire nuclear stockpile, further all states are investigated and controlled due the START treaty but not Israel the estimated number succeeds 400 ready to fire BMs which can reach europe.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:27 pm

    Austin wrote:FAS: Status of World Nuclear Forces


    link

    Does anybody know why this was posted? Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation 

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Viktor on Sun May 18, 2014 6:34 pm

    Whole video on this link is great but the biggest SUPRISE from 5:20 ... enjoy

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:57 am

    Nice  thumbsup 

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    Post  Austin on Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:09 am

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:47 pm

    Wow, interesting...thanks

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:46 pm

    MARV is back

    At the "Innovation Days of the Russian Ministry of Defense" the Makeyev Design Bureau (formally known as the Academician V.P.Makeyev State Rocket Centre, GRTs) presented one of its recent projects - a maneuvering re-entry vehicle (MARV).



    The leaflet distributed by the GRTs (at the open part of the event), said that it's a "high-speed maneuvering [combat] re-entry vehicle for land-based and sea-based strategic missile systems." As one would expect, it's advertised as a way to defeat missile defenses by preforming "unpredictable maneuvers with high transverse accelerations." It apparently relies on aerodynamics to do those, as it can only deal with the "low-altitude" (i.e. terminal) defense. So, it's not the Project 4202 or whatever the hypersonic vehicle Russia may be working on.

    This is nothing particularly new, since MARV technology has been around for decades and the last time it was clear that the cost (in terms of payload) is not worth the price of penetrating defenses, especially when those defenses are non-existent. Nothing has changed since then - the only terminal (strategic) missile defense is deployed around Moscow and dealing with that would hardly require a sophisticated MARV. Someone in the GRTs marketing department didn't quite do their homework.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:43 am

    Someone in the GRTs marketing department didn't quite do their homework.

    Actually if you want high levels of accuracy then you need MARV technology as most things that reduce accuracy can't be allowed for at launch... things like the height at which the warhead enters the atmosphere and the angle it hits it at. Equally wind conditions through the altitude levels all the way to the ground require course corrections to impact... a MARV can get CEP to below 20m while a MIRV would likely manage 250m or so.


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:41 am

    George1 wrote:This is nothing particularly new, since MARV technology has been around for decades and the last time it was clear that the cost (in terms of payload) is not worth the price of penetrating defenses, especially when those defenses are non-existent. Nothing has changed since then - the only terminal (strategic) missile defense is deployed around Moscow and dealing with that would hardly require a sophisticated MARV. Someone in the GRTs marketing department didn't quite do their homework.

    Vintage Podvig.

    The real reason for Russian MARVs is one that I have never seen having been mentioned in the public. It's a bit of a technical reason though.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:57 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    The real reason for Russian MARVs is one that I have never seen having been mentioned in the public. It's a bit of a technical reason though.

    Can you please shed some light on this ? Thanks .

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:06 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    The real reason for Russian MARVs is one that I have never seen having been mentioned in the public. It's a bit of a technical reason though.

    Can you please shed some light on this ? Thanks .

    I will, but it wouldn't be a short post. Unfortunately I am a bit busy now. It's 8:06 PM Friday here; I am still at work and should probably work for another few hours.

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    Post  RTN on Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:17 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    The real reason for Russian MARVs is one that I have never seen having been mentioned in the public. It's a bit of a technical reason though.

    Can you please shed some light on this ? Thanks .

    Ok Sujoy , in case you haven't got the "real reason" from navel gazing intellects , let there be LIGHT .

    The "real reason" why Russia is developing MARVs is exactly the same reason why the US or China is developing MARVs.

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    New offensive nuclear weapons?

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:45 am

    On his discourse in Crimea with the new local government , Putin.. told that Russia have Offensive nuclear weapons
    that no one else have in the world and that when time comes he will reveal information about them..


    "Nos referimos a las armas más modernas, tales como sistemas ofensivos, defensivos y técnica de los que otro ningún otro ejército del mundo dispone", advirtió Putin en la reunión celebrada en Crimea con miembros de la Duma estatal.

    "Hay algo que ya se conoce en cuanto a las armas estratégicas ofensivas: me refiero a la disuasión nuclear. Hay información que todavía no vamos a abrir, pero lo anunciaremos cuando llegue el momento adecuado", advirtió Putin.


    http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/137121-putin-rusia-armas-ejercito

    translation.. "We speak about the most modern weapons ,like offensive system that no other army in the world
    have.
    " told putin in a meeting in Crimea with members of [crimea state ] Duma. "There is something that is know as Nuclear deterrence ,offensive strategic weapons ,but that we will not reveal yet ,but we will do it .when the times comes. "


    What kind of Offensive nuclear weapons [that no one in the world have] and that they have never revealed either to the public, that Putin was speaking to the members of Crimea Government on his last week visit?

    Any thoughts or ideas? What super secret Offensive nuclear weapons Putin could be speaking? that they have never spoken about ?

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:31 am

    Vann7 wrote:On his discourse in Crimea with the new local government , Putin.. told that Russia have Offensive nuclear weapons
    that no one else have in the world and that when time comes he will reveal information about them..


    "Nos referimos a las armas más modernas, tales como sistemas ofensivos, defensivos y técnica de los que otro ningún otro ejército del mundo dispone", advirtió Putin en la reunión celebrada en Crimea con miembros de la Duma estatal.

    "Hay algo que ya se conoce en cuanto a las armas estratégicas ofensivas: me refiero a la disuasión nuclear. Hay información que todavía no vamos a abrir, pero lo anunciaremos cuando llegue el momento adecuado", advirtió Putin.


    http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/137121-putin-rusia-armas-ejercito

    translation.. "We speak about the most modern weapons ,like offensive system that no other army in the world
    have.
    " told putin in a meeting in Crimea with members of [crimea state ] Duma. "There is something that is know as Nuclear deterrence ,offensive strategic weapons ,but that we will not reveal yet ,but we will do it .when the times comes. "


    What kind of Offensive nuclear weapons [that no one in the world have] and that they have never revealed either to the public, that Putin was speaking to the members of Crimea Government on his last week visit?

    Any thoughts or ideas? What super secret Offensive nuclear weapons Putin could be speaking? that they have never spoken about ?  

    If it's an ICBM that's fine, but I'm more interested if it's a electromagnetic gun that fires nuclear shells that can be both offensive and defensive, and by electromagnetic gun I don't mean rail-guns, I mean electromagnetic guns that use explosive generated batteries, which is exponentially superior to standard rail-guns:



    ...At 6:15 they speak that they were capable of firing projectiles at a speed of 15 km/sec., where as U.S. rail guns fire projectiles at 2 km/sec. Let's put that in to perspective, U.S. rail-guns fire projectiles at Mach 6/7 which is quite an impressive feat but is limited to use on ships because of massive power supply needs and also less reliable because of melting rails in the rail-gun. However Russian electromagnetic guns are more reliable because they don't require rails to fire, their much smaller and compact and could be applied to land vehicle chassis because they're powered by the much more small/compact, and much more practical explosive generated batteries, but above all else they can fire projectiles at much higher velocity at 15 km/sec., that equates to firing projectiles at the speed of Mach 44/45!!!

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Mike E on Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:51 am

    I wonder if it is a "Fractional Orbital Bombardment System".... It would totally trash the outer space treaty and probably even Start, but is sure as heck is an "offensive weapon". A nuclear rail-gun is something of dreams...

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    Post  Werewolf on Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:14 pm

    I hope it's satellite based nukes.

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    Post  Mike E on Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:23 pm

    Funny how you say "hope"...  Laughing  

    My best guess is that it is FOBS. I wouldn't be surprised if they had it in Soviet times, after all... However, FOBS doesn't allow a continuous orbit, so that would have to be fixed.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Vann7 on Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:47 pm

    The last thing im aware , Russia was testing/working with nukes armed missiles was ICBM with multi entry warheads but that the warheads on itself are hypersonic missiles,not just warheads that fall on different places and move by gravity, but mini hypersonic missiles that operate independently of each other and can be programed to target any specific target.. in this case.. the ICBM.. becomes more like a transportation launcher and not a missile. And the Missiles are stored inside in the warhead..  Rogozing was praising the last test they did end 2013 ,saying the west have nothing like that. am i right?  Question

    So this are the things i think Putin could be mentioning..

    MARV ( maneuvering re-entry vehicle ) that fly independently of each other and are launched not from land or sea..but they launched from the warhead of an ICBM while it have been launched.. on its mid course or final phase.
    So you call call the ICBM a high-hypersonic space drone.. that launch Hypersonic missiles on its midcourse or final phase. A system like that will be a nightmare for any system defense.. because the initial interception data of the ICBM will be useless , since the warhead once eject it will follow a totally different flight path of the original ICBM.



    No country in the world have an ICBM that can do that.. It is said US And China are working to develop one..
    but Perhaps Russia finally got one and now improving it and testing  Question 

    Such kind of weapon will be impossible to intercept with traditional air defenses NATO use.. like SM-3 ,THAAD or Patriot missiles.. and perhaps with S-400s and S-500s too, because of the lack of time to calculate the trajectory and the high  maneuverability of the missiles. Since it will be equivalent of intercepting a missile that was launched from a satellite flying above any country and that will travel the distance in 60 seconds. To calculate the interception of 8 -12 MARV hypersonic missiles fired above above your airspace ,in just 60 seconds while they perform non predictable flight path will be a nightmare for not saying impossible for traditional modern defenses based of projectiles impact on another. You will need something more science fiction like defenses that do not exist yet for nation defense on a nation or city scale,like Giants Electric fields that destroy any object that cross it or EMP fields. etc.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:01 pm

    From memory didn't Russia just sign a ban on nukes in space with Argentina?


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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Mike E on Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:26 pm

    Yeah, a "ban". - Putin
     
    Why would Argentina even care? They are nowhere near Russia's "top nuclear targets" list!

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    Post  Mike E on Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:29 pm

    Many countries already have MARVs, the CCCP did for crying out loud... - MARVs don't have propulsion, as such they are not "missiles" but retargetable MIRVs.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:08 pm

    Mike E wrote:I wonder if it is a "Fractional Orbital Bombardment System".... It would totally trash the outer space treaty and probably even Start, but is sure as heck is an "offensive weapon". A nuclear rail-gun is something of dreams...

    1.) Again where do you get this idea that it's a rail-gun? Rail-guns are less reliable because the rail in the guns have a tendency to melt after repeated use, a Russian electromagnetic gun requires neither the rail nor the massive power source just the explosive generated battery.

    2.) FOABS is banned by the Outer Space treaty, but that's besides the point because who needs FOABS when you have electromagnetic guns that fire projectiles at 15 km/sec? Let's put that in to prospective, escape velocity is 11 km/sec, so the electromagnetic guns that the Russians have been working on can fire projectiles at 15 km/sec which equates to Mach 44/45, that's 4 km's/sec. faster than escape velocity! That means  theoretically Russian aerospace forces could have MAZ trucks fitted with MLRS version of electromagnetic guns that can fire KE, conventional, and thermonuclear shells that can hit anywhere in the world within 20-40 minutes! Not just that similar systems could put compact satellites in LEO orbit, or they could knockout ICBM warheads when the electromagnetic guns are directly connected in to IAD early-warning radars and early-warning satellites.

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    Re: Russian Nuclear Weapons Industry

    Post  Mike E on Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:37 pm

    Ok, my bad. I use "rail-gun" to describe electromagnetic guns, even though it isn't correct...

    I bet on my life, that Russia is nowhere near having an "electromagnetic gun" that can hit targets around the globe... While I wish it is true.......

    FOBS is great because;

    A) It is cheap (compared with the "gun")

    B) It could easily be accomplished.

    And C) FOBS could hit targets around the globe "within 20-40 minutes".


    I don't think that you aren't smart, but you sound like one of those "westerns" that believes the US has 100 "rods from god" satellites in orbit...

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