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    Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:31 pm

    http://sputniknews.com/business/20160425/1038541646/roscosmos-manage-commercial-launches.html
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:29 pm


    Rescheduled for 24 hours later

    ''First countdown at new Russian cosmodrome aborted in final minutes''

    http://spaceflightnow.com/2016/04/27/first-countdown-at-new-russian-cosmodrome-aborted-in-final-minutes/
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:09 pm

    Weird. So it cancelled launch automatically? All these systems are closed systems right? No access from outside sources?
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:21 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Weird. So it cancelled launch automatically? All these systems are closed systems right? No access from outside sources?

    Rocket was running self-diagnostics, detected a problem and aborted launch. There is no human involvement at that phase. Same thing happened at Kurou the other day. They fixed the problem and launched later.

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  Rmf on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:19 pm

    problems for the first launch?
    another scandal?
    all that trip and pr show for nothing !
    it seems putin is furious !

    Laughing
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  max steel on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:25 pm

    Putin warns heads will roll after failed rocket launch

    https://www.rt.com/news/341133-vostochny-cosmodrome-putin-jail/
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:30 pm

    Rt screwed up on reporting. He is talking about construction company, nothing to do with the rocket.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:14 am

    Rmf wrote:problems for the first launch?
    another scandal?
    all that trip and pr show for nothing !
    it seems putin is furious !

    Laughing


    And not a single Shuttle launch or for that matter Atlas or Delta launch was scrubbed according to you?

    Bugger off.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:16 am


    russia thumbsup love

    First Launch From Vostochny Cosmodrome

    Roscosmos launched of a Soyuz-2.1a rocket, carrying three satellites, at 05:01 a.m. Moscow time (02:01 GMT) on Thursday.


    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160428/1038742805/vostochny-cosmodrome-launch.html











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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  kvs on Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:17 am

    sepheronx wrote:Rt screwed up on reporting. He is talking about construction company, nothing to do with the rocket.

    Looks like RT is infested like RIAN (aka Sputnik) with NATO servants. Unlike certain retards claim, there is nothing special about
    a delayed launch.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:18 am

    Delaying a launch is unacceptable... just because there was a fault that might have destroyed the rocket is no reason not to launch when you say you will launch.

    Idiot.

    Only a child would launch no matter what.

    WTF is the point of quality control and diagnostic systems if you are going to ignore them just to keep to the schedule?

    Of course you love it... it is another reason to whine and complain... "But daddy... you promised me a lollipop... the biggest in the shop, you said."

    "OK, honey, you can have the 20 metre painted lollipop sign... it is the biggest lollipop in the shop..."
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:05 pm

    Rmf wrote:problems for the first launch?
    another scandal?
    all that trip and pr show for nothing !
    it seems putin is furious !

    Laughing

    You really are a rucking fetard....  seriously.....  words simply fail me....


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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  Big_Gazza on Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:07 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Weird. So it cancelled launch automatically? All these systems are closed systems right? No access from outside sources?

    Rocket was running self-diagnostics, detected a problem and aborted launch. There is no human involvement at that phase. Same thing happened at Kurou the other day. They fixed the problem and launched later.


    Apparently the launch control system did not receive a confirmation for one of the valves that were commanded to close, so the logic aborted the cycle. Good call.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:23 pm

    Congrats to Russia !

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:42 pm



    on another note.. it was one of the nicest camera angle of any launch in the day in a long time.



    Unfortunately the monkeys at RT cut the video ,too early ,did not allowed people to fully appreciate the travel all the way when the rocket start to reach space .

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:06 pm


    Can someone please translate this?

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  kvs on Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:07 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Can someone please translate this?


    Left panel:

    17 failed launches, one success.

    Oh Lordy, what a success, Ilon Musk has thrown the Russian space industry flat on its back.


    Right panel:

    Delay of a launch for 24 hours.

    Dimwitted vatniks, slaves of Putler, laid an egg again, what a disgrace and failure,
    it is a shame to be Russian.


    Bottom:

    The little Liberal methodology (technique).

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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:43 pm


    ^^^ Thanks Kvs, that one is funny. Someone should PM it to Rmf, he is on my ignore list but I assume he is going trough 3 boxes of tampons a day lately. Razz


    Also, clarification of the delayed launch, rocket was fine but problem was with data cable. They replaced it and went ahead.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/science-tech/vostochny-cosmodrome-first-launch-eye-witness-account/ri14131
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:37 pm


    Amur region after Soyuz launch, first stage. Gotta say, it took the fall like a pro given the altitude. I think I can see set of airbags and a parachute in a not too distant future. Very Happy



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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:02 pm

    Indeed. They could recover most of the key parts if they parachuted them with some initial retro-rocket assist in the thinner
    layers of the atmosphere.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:08 pm

    kvs wrote:Indeed.  They could recover most of the key parts if they parachuted them with some initial retro-rocket assist in the thinner
    layers of the atmosphere.

    Yup, the most valuable part is engine itself so that would simplify whole thing even more.

    Although I think that retrieval will be reserved for Angara, Soyuz is pretty much el-cheapo by rocket standards.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun May 01, 2016 5:22 pm


    Speaking of retrieval, if they are really that keen on reusing the whole booster they might go with installing parachute on top that would bring it back just above ground and combine it with rocket engines also installed on the top, like the escape system on the Soyuz capsule.

    Before it hits the ground engine activates and brings whole thing to a soft touchdown and because it is on top of the rocket instead on the bottom it makes the whole thing very stable from the get go and removes the need for stabilization engines like on other systems. This would work very nice on Angara 5 because top part of the 4 stage 1 boosters is already unused empty space.

    Basically same approach they plan on using on Federation (PTK-NP) down the road.

    But I still think it would be simpler to just focus on retrieving the engines. Parachute and airbags both attached on the bottom part would do. Get the engines and let rest of it crash on impact. It's mostly just fuel tanks, no big deal.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  Rmf on Sun May 01, 2016 11:20 pm

    its impossible to use land way unlike kazakh grasslands this is pure wilderness and heavy forest. it will be cut up and transported with helicopter to nearest road.

    if you could use paraglider for controled landing and small landing gear ,that would be much better then any parashute.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon May 02, 2016 2:29 pm

    Rmf wrote:its impossible to use land way unlike kazakh grasslands this is pure wilderness and heavy forest. it will be cut up and transported with helicopter to nearest road.
    http://www.servimg.com/view/19063838/10][img]http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/19/06/38/38/iqqdxw10.jpg
    if you could use paraglider for controled landing and small landing gear ,that would be much better then any parashute.

    Those things do not fall at random, trajectory is known in advance.

    If they need empty space they can just clear out section of a forest. As for transport, that is what helicopters are for. Or trucks. Its is Siberia not Antarctica. Definitely looks more accessible than some Kazakh shithole.

    Kazakhstan is old news, Baikonur is slowly but surely headed for decommissioning. Borat cannot into space, deal with it already.
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    Re: Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #1

    Post  GarryB on Tue May 03, 2016 6:00 am

    The reusable components on the US Space Shuttle are the main bits that make the whole venture so freaken expensive.

    Reusable doesn't make sense if it is cheaper to make things simpler and single use only.

    Having to scour the countryside looking for components to recover and then completely take to bits and test and then reassemble is not easy or cheap or efficient.

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