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    Post  kvs on Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:25 am

    That is bad news. I hope it is BS. You don't just kill core development like this. Russia can afford it.
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    Post  Zivo on Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:40 am

    Very unfortunate if true. Neutral

    Perhaps there are other projects taking precedence.
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:04 am

    Hmm, that would be bad if true. Those numbers in costs are peanuts and they would barely be saving any money anway. And the amount of money they could make out of this would be quite high. So I am not sure their reasoning. They could have something else planned. Now mind you, it said a "source" not necessarily naming anyone so this could be like an Izvetia style article. Much like that Tass article on the Iran S-300 sale not happening in near future. There is a possibility they have something else but they seem to be concentrating more on developing a space station of their own class and creation of a space based launch structure. So it is possible they are shelving the nuclear project for now for these other two projects which would actually serve better for time being. But the nuclear propulsion is very important and should continue. But sounds much like the nuclear propulsion system they were developing for aircrafts back in the....60's?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:04 am

    Not good.

    It might not be the end of it but delayed
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    Post  sepheronx on Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:16 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Not good.

    It might not be the end of it but delayed

    It seems the space agency is getting the bigger amount of funds slashed. But I have faith since India has managed to launch projects into space and so maybe the two could work together!
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    Post  Austin on Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:58 pm

    The space agency has denied the news of cancellation of Nuclear Propulsion program
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:02 am

    Austin wrote:The space agency has denied the news of cancellation of Nuclear Propulsion program

    That puts an end to that discussion then
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:00 pm

    I could understand them cancelling it to save a bit of money in the short term... but I am very glad it appears they haven't cancelled it as it will be a ground breaking new propulsion system for long range space flight.... trips to Jupiters moons anyone? Very Happy russia
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:19 pm

    nice, right now nuke powered ion propulsion seems to be most practical way to cross the boundaries between stars, at least for me that is Very Happy .
    6 weeks to reach mars is fantastic!!!
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    Post  flamming_python on Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:25 pm

    Well apparently NASA has accidently generated a warp bubble while testing a microwave-based space thruster here on Earth.

    http://sputniknews.com/us/20150425/1021360503.html
    http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/04/nasa-may-have-accidentally-developed-a-warp-drive/

    So who needs nuclear propulsion then? Smile

    But nuclear power on the other hand might still come in handy.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:34 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Well apparently NASA has accidently generated a warp bubble while testing a microwave-based space thruster here on Earth.

    http://sputniknews.com/us/20150425/1021360503.html
    http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/04/nasa-may-have-accidentally-developed-a-warp-drive/

    So who needs nuclear propulsion then? Smile

    But nuclear power on the other hand might still come in handy.

    Funny. Laughing
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:52 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Well apparently NASA has accidently generated a warp bubble while testing a microwave-based space thruster here on Earth.

    http://sputniknews.com/us/20150425/1021360503.html
    http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/04/nasa-may-have-accidentally-developed-a-warp-drive/

    So who needs nuclear propulsion then? Smile

    But nuclear power on the other hand might still come in handy.
    heh, warp engine eh? we got ourselves the god-emperor putin - time to start the IoM.
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    Post  Zivo on Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:54 pm

    Austin wrote:The space agency has denied the news of cancellation of Nuclear Propulsion program

    angry Journalists
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    Post  kvs on Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:24 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Well apparently NASA has accidently generated a warp bubble while testing a microwave-based space thruster here on Earth.

    http://sputniknews.com/us/20150425/1021360503.html
    http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/04/nasa-may-have-accidentally-developed-a-warp-drive/

    So who needs nuclear propulsion then? Smile

    But nuclear power on the other hand might still come in handy.

    Funny. Laughing

    Maybe not so funny. It clearly has nothing to do with GR, but it would be quite something if they found physics not conforming to
    existing dogma.
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    Post  Austin on Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:12 pm

    Roscosmos denies proceeding with the development of nuclear power for space
    24/04/2015 12:12:10

    Moscow. April 24th. Interfax-AVN - The project of the nuclear power plant in the interests of space exploration has not stopped, "Interfax-AVN" on Friday, the Russian Space Agency spokesman Igor Bourenkov.

    "Federal Space Agency continues to work on the key technologies for the creation of carrier rockets with a reusable first stage interorbital tugs with electrorocket or nuclear propulsion. Information about the exclusion of these activities from the project to the new PCF 2016-2025 years did not correspond to reality," - said I.Burenkov .


    So he commented on the information of a number of Russian media reports that the Russian Federation stopped work on the creation of nuclear power plants megawatt-class in the interests of development of deep space.

    Earlier research center Keldysh where megawatt nuclear power plant is designed for a class of spacecraft, "Interfax" said that they knew nothing about the decision to stop funding the project. "If indeed Roscosmos refused from this project, I was not informed. For me it is - the news. I think it's - is unlikely," - said the center's director, academician Anatoly Koroteev.
    The fact that Russia plans to build a nuclear propulsion system, which will "ensure even space flight to other planets," was announced in November 2009. Later it became known that a nuclear power plant for long-term transport and energy module will create a center of Keldysh in 2015.
    The project involves the following steps: 2010 - the start of work, 2012 - Completion of preliminary design and conduct computer modeling workflow, 2015 - the creation of a nuclear power plant in 2018 - the flight of the transport module based on it.
    Keldysh Research Center has completed the preliminary design and detailed design has started a nuclear power installation of megawatt-class space transportation systems. Two years ago A.Koroteev reported that work is going according to plan.
    "Work on the project began in 2010. Since that time we have made ​​technical proposals, preliminary design. We are working on the model units, which characterize the key components of the general construction. From this year moved to the detailed design stage," - said A.Koroteev "Interfax -AVN. "
    Experts of the center is working to establish elektroplazmennogo engine, as well as complex products from composite materials that will be used for nuclear power plants megawatt class.
    In 2010, the Federal Space Agency announced the tender for the development of transport and energy module based on a nuclear power plant. Until this issue has been discussed at a meeting of the Presidential Commission for Modernization and Technological Development of Russia's Economy.
    According to experts, the establishment of nuclear power and propulsion solutions is a prerequisite for long-term tasks in the near and outer space, space development of the XXI century.
    Nuclear energy has been used in space: in the period from 1970 to 1988 in the Soviet Union was launched 32 spacecraft with nuclear thermoelectric power plant, and in the period from 1960 to 1980 was developed and tested at Semipalatinsk nuclear rocket engine.
    The former head of the Russian Space Agency, Anatoly Perminov, said earlier that preliminary and technical projects of a nuclear power plant with the manufacture and testing of components and systems requires 3 billion rubles., Another 250 million rubles. needed for the preliminary design of the transport-energy module.
    In addition, 4.5 billion rubles. required for ground testing of a nuclear power plant. The most expensive stage (9 billion rubles.) - The creation of transport-energy module based on a nuclear power plant. These include ground and flight tests of transport and energy module.
    Assembling the transport and energy module with a nuclear power plant, likely to be held in orbit assembly and experimental complex, which was planned to turn the International Space Station. The vehicle is a transport-energy module with a nuclear power installation can be used to study and explore the Moon, Mars mission.
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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:24 pm

    Vladimir Sun: plan to land on the moon in 2029

    an interview with Tass said the president of Rocket and Space Corporation (RSC) "Energy" Vladimir sun.

    http://tass.ru/opinions/interviews/1924907
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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:25 pm

    Another rocket under development to replace Soyuz

    Russia's new rocket will be named Fenix — source

    http://tass.ru/en/non-political/791963
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:02 pm

    ^ ^ ^ ^

    Interesting, although it looks more like "import substitute" for Ukranian launchers plus use of natural gas to cut down launch costs. More of a comercial project or I could be wrong.

    Anyway, cool name, I like it.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:13 am

    An effort to ensure independence from Ukraine for Russia...

    I wonder if the US and EU will make the same effort to integrate the Ukraine into their economies to help them out after helping creating the mess they are currently in in terms of their economy and military industrial complex.
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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:28 am

    GarryB wrote:An effort to ensure independence from Ukraine for Russia...

    I wonder if the US and EU will make the same effort to integrate the Ukraine into their economies to help them out after helping creating the mess they are currently in in terms of their economy and military industrial complex.

    Highly doubt it since Ukraine has effectively lost majority of their industrial production/strength already and have only really profited off of agriculture, which is going to become a problem for Ukraine again as Russia is now getting rid of the "ease of transaction" of purchases from Ukraine in terms of food, which they export a lot of to them. So in the end, majority of Ukrainian agriculture will have to compete with the rest of the EU countries whom are agrarian and their industrial production will probably just resort to simple assemblies and steel production.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:26 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    GarryB wrote:An effort to ensure independence from Ukraine for Russia...

    I wonder if the US and EU will make the same effort to integrate the Ukraine into their economies to help them out after helping creating the mess they are currently in in terms of their economy and military industrial complex.

    Highly doubt it since Ukraine has effectively lost majority of their industrial production/strength already and have only really profited off of agriculture, which is going to become a problem for Ukraine again as Russia is now getting rid of the "ease of transaction" of purchases from Ukraine in terms of food, which they export a lot of to them.  So in the end, majority of Ukrainian agriculture will have to compete with the rest of the EU countries whom are agrarian and their industrial production will probably just resort to simple assemblies and steel production.

    They made their bed, now they can lay down in it.

    EU politicians are something else. A failed state is a problem for them and not just for Russia. Did they really expect Russia
    to keep on subsidizing Banderastan?
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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:46 am

    Putin submits draft law on establishing space state corporation to parliament
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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:50 am

    Russia launches spacecraft with Victory Banner copy to ISS

    The nose cone of the Soyuz carrier rocket has the symbols of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War

    MOSCOW, April 28. /TASS/. The Soyuz-2.1a rocket with the Progress M-27M cargo spacecraft with a replica of the Victory Banner aboard has been launched form the Baikonur cosmodrome (Kazakhstan) on Tuesday to the International Space Station (ISS), Russia’s Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos) told TASS.

    "In about nine minutes the spaceship will separate from the rocket," the agency said.

    After that the cargo spacecraft will fly to the station. Its docking with the ISS is scheduled for 16:07 pm, Moscow time, Tuesday.

    The nose cone of the Soyuz carrier rocket has the symbols of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, the Soviet campaign against Nazi Germany, namely the Order of the Patriotic War and Saint George's Ribbon.

    Several Saint George's Ribbons for the crew of the station have been sent to the ISS aboard the Progress spacecraft. This comes in preparation for the celebrations of the 70th anniversary of Victory.

    The spacecraft is carrying around 2.5 tons various cargos for the orbital lab, including 420 kilograms of water, 50 kilograms of oxygen in balloons and 500 kilograms of fuel. The crew will also receive fruits, canned fish and herbs.

    "The cargo ship will also bring apples, oranges, grapefruits, onion, greens and garlic. The crew has also asked for specialty ham, barbecue ketchup and Caucasian snacks," Alexander Agureyev, head of the department of the Russian Academy of Sciences’ Institute for Medical-Biological Problems, which oversees the ISS food provision, told TASS earlier this month.

    The current crew on board the ISS is made up of cosmonauts Gennady Padalka, Mikhail Korniyenko and Anton Shkaplerov from the Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos), astronauts Terry Virts and Scott Kelly from NASA and Samantha Cristoforetti from the European Space Agency (ESA).
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    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:54 am

    Russia to Create World’s First Rocket Engine Manufacturing Holding

    Russia is set to create world’s first rocket and missile engine manufacturing holding, which will bring together Russian manufacturers of engines for rockets and missiles.

    Russia’s United Rocket and Space Corporation (URSC) is drafting a proposal on creation a unique holding, which is set to united several manufacturers of engines for rockets and missiles, Russia’s daily newspaper Izvestia reports on Tuesday.

    The exact structure of the holding and its head-enterprise are yet to be defined.
    Russia will continue its plans to create a nuclear engine for deep space flights, according to the country’s 2016-2025 Federal Space Program.

    “Yes, we are working on the creation of a rocket engine manufacturing holding as part of the URSC. The results of this work are to be submitted to the head of Russia’s Federal Space Agency Roscosmos, Igor Komarov, and URSC Director General Yuri Vlasos by June 1,” the newspaper quotes URSC Deputy Director general Igor Arbuzov as saying.

    The holding is likely to incorporate at least seven enterprises, which differ significantly from one another. Among those named are: NPO Energomash, which primarily develops and produces liquid propellant rocket engines; Keldysh Rocket Research Center; “Proton-Perm Motors” company, which also specializes in liquid propellant rocket engines, and others.

    A structural reform of Russia’s space industry was launched in 2010 which saw its numerous enterprises united into five or six large holdings.

    Under the reform, branches of the industry such as orbital spacecraft development, in-orbit operation, guidance systems, scientific research, testing and strategic rocketry, are set to have their own holdings.

    Since then, the newspaper says, the method of the reform has been slightly modified, but the major idea remains the same. For example, a new structure is being formed on the basis of Russia’s Space Systems, which will be in charge of all the aspects of production engineering.

    Meanwhile, a draft law on setting up a new Russian state-run corporation, “Roscosmos”, based on the merger of the existing Federal Space Agency Roscosmos and the URSC, has been submitted to the Russian legislature by the government

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150428/1021464623.html#ixzz3YalzZqH4
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:03 pm

    Progres cargo craft ran into problems. Craft ended up in higher orbit than normal. Telemetry lost (I think). Ground crews working on it.

    Russian speakers might update us later, I hit a language barrier dunno

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