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    India Armed forces numbers

    Post  henriksoder on Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:58 am

    Hello

    I want to discuss the India Armed Forces strength. In my mind it kind of seems like a very important and strong military power in the world. According to my sorces they got like at least one million soldiers with reservs troops and that kind of seems like a huge amount but China must have almost two million with reserve troops (just look at the countries population). What can India do with their huge amount of soldiers, I guess that they carry very bad equipment and are not good organized or trained and dosen't have the military force to obtain a strong military power. I think India should continue to grow their military budget with the country economic progress. Like get more useful active soldiers in the sense that they must be better equipped, trained and organized to face a superior enemy.

    I mean, they got alot of aircrafts, like 1745 aircrafts and two carriars which carry aircrafts, and that is pretty strong. I think India should focus on maintaining one carriar each on the two differents costs of India and obtain a strong air force from the main land in order to obtain a strong air space and a strong military offensive and defensive. The army should reform in order to maintain a strong military power in India and across their borders. India should work for a prosper economic development in India and for a free, prosper and peaceful world where human lives is respected and sustatined and where economic and human progress is insured. I read somewhere that India carry like 7000 tanks or something, but I dont know if that it's true, becouse then India tank force is almost the same in amount as US. How strong is India mark force, for example the tank force? India should focus on develop their military and gain neccesarry military equipment and a stronger and more effectful defense.

    What is your opinion about the India armed forces? Duties in the world or their military strength or other exciting facts or opinions about India armed forces?

    /Henrik

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  max steel on Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:31 am

    Wow wow affraid . Stop it there bounce . They might be carrying old equipment but it's baseless to say that they are not good organized or trained .

    An Indian Army team has won the gold medal in the prestigious Cambrian Patrol held in the UK beating more than 140 participants in 2014 .

    Exercise Cambrian Patrol is an annual international military patrolling event that makes its participating units cover a 80km course in less than 48 hours while performing numerous types of military exercises placed throughout the rugged Cambrian Mountains and swamp lands of mid-Wales in UK.


    Yup India isn't in a position to project a global military power . by the way we had enough with murican miliary empire . In this multipolar era we don't need a single nation stretching its military unncessarily invading and murdering others .


    http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/indian-army-team-wins-gold-medal-at-a-prestigious-event-in-uk-114102800902_1.html

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    Post  dberwal on Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:02 pm

    henriksoder wrote:Hello

    I want to discuss the India Armed Forces strength. In my mind it kind of seems like a very important and strong military power in the world. According to my sorces they got like at least one million soldiers with reservs troops and that kind of seems like a huge amount but China must have almost two million with reserve troops (just look at the countries population). What can India do with their huge amount of soldiers, I guess that they carry very bad equipment and are not good organized or trained and dosen't have the military force to obtain a strong military power. I think India should continue to grow their military budget with the country economic progress. Like get more useful active soldiers in the sense that they must be better equipped, trained and organized to face a superior enemy.
    IA is very well trained and completely volunteer force against conscription.
    Equipment is not bad but not what best money can buy.

    India has never been a aggressor country in last 5000+ years of existence. That is the only reason we dont send our army to foreign land to fight. Look at the history of WW1 and WW2.

    Indian troops were the largest contingent from a single country (leaving aside US and Russia)
    Allies won these war on our blood and don't have the shame to even acknowledge this part of history.

    IA runs the premier Counter-Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJW) training facility in the world. CIJW was established in 1967 as the Jungle Training School. The current name is there from 1970.

    This facility was open for other countries in 2001 and 3 US officers were the first to be trained here.
    Most of the countries who have started such training facility have first trained in India and learned from it. US/UK/French/Italy/Isreal..... are some countries who avail of these training facility.

    Another one:
    The High Altitude Warfare School (HAWS) is a training and research establishment of the Indian Army. In 1948, Indian Army established a ski school in Gulmarg which later became the High Altitude Warfare School of the Indian army specializing in snow–craft and winter warfare. this st approx 2700 meter (9000 feet)

    The Indian Army is among the most experienced and best trained in mountain warfare having fought numerous conflicts in the Himalayan mountain territories, at altitudes over 6000 meters (20,000 feet) and at temperatures as low as -50 Celsius. Given the extensive experience of the Indian Army in mountain warfare, troops from other nations regularly train and conduct joint exercises at these schools. Because of its experience in fighting wars in mountain regions for over 50 years. Indian Mountain Warfare Units are considered among the best in the world. Numerous army units across the world are now implementing training modules modeled after Indian Mountain Warfare training systems, these include US, UK, Russia


    I mean, they got alot of aircrafts, like 1745 aircrafts and two carriars which carry aircrafts, and that is pretty strong. I think India should focus on maintaining one carriar each on the two differents costs of India and obtain a strong air force from the main land in order to obtain a strong air space and a strong military offensive and defensive. The army should reform in order to maintain a strong military power in India and across their borders. India should work for a prosper economic development in India and for a free, prosper and peaceful world where human lives is respected and sustatined and where economic and human progress is insured. I read somewhere that India carry like 7000 tanks or something, but I dont know if that it's true, becouse then India tank force is almost the same in amount as US. How strong is India mark force, for example the tank force? India should focus on develop their military and gain neccesarry military equipment and a stronger and more effectful defense.

    What is your opinion about the India armed forces? Duties in the world or their military strength or other exciting facts or opinions about India armed forces?

    /Henrik

    Indian is like a sleeping elephant or tiger, Indian dont have a conqueror mentality as the 5000+ year history has shown but if put to a corner it can surely take care of itself.

    Well looking at how world politics is developing 3-5 carrier force for Navy is what we are likely to see in next 20years (1 is operational, 1 under construction - induction in 3years and 1 just about to start construction)
    - Plus IN is interested in 40000 Ton LDP's ( likely to see 2-3 in next 5-7 yrs)

    Tanks are more likely like 3800+ or so.

    I don't believe we have any desire in policing world like US.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  max steel on Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:29 pm

    Nice work dbrewal but Indian army is lacking in high tech and high precision warfare kits and gears . We don't even posses enough ammunition to fight a month long war . corruption again is a issue in indian defense at political level , have no idea whether it's among high rank officials also .

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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:25 pm

    max steel wrote:Nice work dbrewal but Indian army is lacking in high tech and high precision warfare kits and gears . We don't even posses enough ammunition to fight a month long war . corruption again is a issue in indian defense at political level , have no idea whether it's among high rank officials also .

    There is. My brother in law is in Indian air force. I hear of interesting stories. But that doesn't mean all.

    Problem with India is that due to being a major arms importer, they have to rely on someone else. It is getting silly too on the mass amounts of differences on guns and systems used in India that just makes it hard on logistics and such (Tejas aircraft, MiG-29, Su-30, Rafale) and now trying to field two other tanks. I imagine it is a nightmare logistically and making sure you got enough munitions that work with each system.

    Subsystems for plenty of stuff is made in India. Dunno where they get components though, probably Israel.

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    Post  dberwal on Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:46 pm

    max steel wrote:Nice work dbrewal but Indian army is lacking in high tech and high precision warfare kits and gears . We don't even posses enough ammunition to fight a month long war . corruption again is a issue in indian defense at political level , have no idea whether it's among high rank officials also .

    we are able to buy what we can afford... rest we are developing (no other way out)

    tell me which other country other than India publishes such statistics as ammo reserves to fight a full scale war?

    well tell me which country is not subject to corruption?

    Well corruption by nature once come in spreads its wings all over. Corruption is the parting gift Britishers gave us.

    Indian Politics today is highly corrupt 10:1 ratio, But the change in leadership last year has revived hopes!!

    Even Indian urban society is corrupt at a ration of 10:1

    Indian defense force still by luck or chance are opposite of this ratio.

    My personal views are that the current form of democracy as advertised by west is the cause of corruption.


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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  aksha on Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:48 am

    Army zeroes in on Made in India rifles to replace INSAS
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/assault-rifle-excalibur-drdo-dalbir-singh-indian-army-arde/1/449238.html
    The performance of the DRDO-designed 'Excalibur' assault rifle in trials last month at the Armament Research and Development Establishment in Pune has further enthused the Army.



    The Indian Army has decided to go for an indigenous assault rifle to replace the problematic INSAS rifles. The decision that could save thousands of crores in foreign exchange and boost local manufacture was taken recently by Army Chief General Dalbir Singh. The Army then cancelled a problematic Rs 4,848 crore order for importing Multi Caliber Assault Rifles on June 15-first reported by Mail Today on July 1.

    "We are going in for a designed and Made in India rifle in keeping with the government's indigenisation thrusts," senior Army sources told Mail Today.

    The performance of the DRDO-designed 'Excalibur' assault rifle in trials last month at the Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) in Pune has further enthused the Army. The Excalibur had only two stoppages (where the bullet gets stuck in the breech) after 24,000 rounds were fired, close to the Army's specifications of only one stoppage.




    New features

    The Excalibur is an improved version of the INSAS rifle and fires 5.56x45 mm ammunition. It has full-automatic capability over the INSAS which can only fire a three-round burst. The Excalibur barrel is shorter by 4 mm, has a side folding butt stock and features a Picatinny rail, a universal mount that allows a range of weapon sights and sensors to be fitted on the rifle.

    DRDO officials say it will take the OFB's Rifle Factory Ishapore at least eight months to incorporate design changes suggested by the ARDE and field the first prototypes of what they are calling the 'Modified INSAS Rifle' (MIR). Changes suggested after trials include a smaller handguard and improved polycarbonate magazine.

    If the Excalibur/MIR clears trials, it could be in the hands of infantry soldiers within two years, DRDO officials say. The DRDO is designing a second version of the Excalibur, the AR-2 that fires 7.62x39 mm rounds used by AK-47. The AR-2 will be offered as an alternative to the Russianorigin assault rifle.

    The Army's 2011 tender was for a Multi Caliber Assault Rifle or for a weapon that could fire INSAS and AK-47 ammunition with a barrel change.

    Five international firms - Beretta of Italy, Israeli Weapons Industries (IWI), Colt Defense of the US, Ceska Zbplojovka of Czech Republic and SiG Sauer of Switzerland-were shortlisted for the trials.

    However, Army officials now admit the specifications were poorly drafted and unrealistic.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Book. on Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:55 pm

    Indian Company Reveals UAV Partnership with AeroVironment
    by Neelam Mathews - August 5, 2015, 9:32 AM

    Bangalore, India-based Dynamatic Technologies is co-developing a new generation lightweight unmanned aerial system (UAS) with AeroVironment of the U.S. It is named the Cheel (Hindi for Eagle) and will be based on AeroVironment’s proven expertise, with the design evolving from the 5 kg Raven and 12 kg Puma UAS. The project is one of the six “pathfinder projects” identified under the U.S.-India Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) earlier this year.

    “The first Cheel will fly eleven months after formal approval,” Udayant Malhoutra, Dynamatic CEO and managing director told AIN. The Indian company is already a supplier to Airbus, Bell and Boeing and has built an advanced avionics and communications laboratory; payload development facility; composites facility; and an assembly and testing facility for small UAS in Bangalore.

    Denying recent media reports that the Indian Army had rejected the Raven, Malhoutra said that the Cheel would be different from the Raven. “It has a different signature incorporating the engineering capability of Dynamatic,” he said. Tom Cunningham, AeroVironment’'s vice president for strategic partnerships, said last February at the Bangalore airshow: “We’re going to take the form factor of Raven and add some features of Puma. We’re moving the propeller forward…it will fly higher with longer wings, and be easy to launch.” AIN understands that the Cheel will have solar power from wing panels, a development that is foreseen for the Puma on AeroVironment’s website.

    The Puma is designed for land-based and maritime operations and the Cheel similarly be capable of landing in water or on land. It will also have the Puma’s precision navigation system with secondary GPS, which provides greater positional accuracy and reliability. The Cheel will be operated from a ground control station (GCS) that is compatible with all AeroVironment’s tactical ISR UAS. Dynamatic has conducted a number of trials of these UAS in mountainous, desert and jungle terrain along with homeland security-related forces, to check vagaries of the environment and to evaluate the needs of users. The Indian company was also involved in a U.S.-India exercise using the Raven UAS.

    While the Cheel is the designated project under the DTTI, “the partnership with AeroVironment is for a family of UAS…[we will] create variants that offer a range of capabilities,” said Malhoutra. The partnership is exclusive. On the possibility of extending it to the Global Observer high-altitude long-endurance UAS being developed by AeroVironment, Malhoutra said, “Potentially we can work on anything. There has to be business rationale for both [companies].”

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-08-05/indian-company-reveals-uav-partnership-aerovironment


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    Post  Book. on Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:26 am

    Focus on Hypersonic Reusable Cruise Missile, Says Scientist
    By Express News Service Published: 09th August 2015 03:31 AM

    VISAKHAPATNAM: After developing various versions of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, Indian scientists are focusing on developing a hypersonic reusable cruise missile which is first of its kind in the world, revealed BrahMos Aerospace founder and DRDO former chief controller (Research and development) A Sivathanu Pillai. He said that the idea of reusable cruise missile development was an inspiration from the Mahabharath, particularly Lord Krishna’s Sudharshan Chakra. Like Sudarshan Chakra, the hypersonic cruise missile will destroy the target with pin-point accuracy and fly back to the base for multiple use, he added.

    Sivathanu Pillai was conferred with the GITAM Foundation Award by GITAM president MVVS Murthi during the 35th Foundation Day celebrations of GITAM University here Saturday.

    Addressing the gathering on the occasion, Pillai shared his association with former President and fellow scientist APJ Abdul Kalam who passed away recently. “Kalam wanted to convert the SLV-3 into a missile, but the then ISRO chairman Satish Dhawan, wanted to keep ISRO away from missile development as it might affect the international cooperation that the ISRO had with many countries. But Kalam’s mind was always revolving around developing a re-entry class of missile,” he explained while talking about the origins of missile technology in India. Pillai recalled that after successful SLV-3 mission, Kalam succeeded in the missile project at DRDO through the formulation of the Re-entry Experiment (REX) which, much later, became Agni.

    Pillai said that the growth of the technology level in advanced areas closer to the developed countries, has made India a nation of strength, winning it respect world-wide. He felt that BrahMos had established a global leadership for India. He suggested that Indian universities and educational systems should create two cadres of personnel particularly creating a global cadre of skilled youth with specific knowledge of special skills and another global cadre of youth focusing on research and innovation. “These two cadres could be utilised not only for powering the manufacturing and services sectors of India, but also fulfill the human resource requirements of various countries,” he added.

    The founder of BrahMos Space felt that the country’s prosperity is powered by technology, which comes out of research and innovations. “If we are expected to achieve results which have been never before accomplished, we must employ methods which have been never before attempted, but with utmost honesty,” he opined.

    On the occasion, Sivathanu Pillai presented the GITAM University Best Teacher awards to MRS Satyanarayana, K Manjusree Naidu, R Ventakateswarlu, MV Lakshmi, M Rama Rao, L Srinivas, K Mohan, B Nalini and Best Supporting Staff awards to T Sridhar, O Tata Rao, and Shaik Hussain. GITAM vice-president M Gangadhara Rao, vice-chancellor G Subrahmanyam, pro vice-chancellor D Harinarayana, registrar M Potharaju and others participated in the programme.

    http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Focus-on-Hypersonic-Reusable-Cruise-Missile-Says-Scientist/2015/08/09/article2965112.ece

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    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:32 pm

    Media: India will acquire 149 BMP-2 produced by Russian license


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    Post  George1 on Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:53 pm

    India Successfully Competes User-Assisted Tests of Pinaka II Rocket System



    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160103/1032628806/india-rocket-test-launch.html#ixzz3wClhJhSH


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    Post  aksha on Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:28 am

    Nag missile hits bull’s eye with modified seeker
    https://www.google.co.id/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjrg4HWqdHKAhXJkY4KHf8hBCcQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehindu.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Fantitank-nag-missile-hits-the-bulls-eye-with-modified-seeker%2Farticle8108883.ece&usg=AFQjCNEkQWLoH4DzlIKFbZlb3aMbm-Bf8A


    The indigenously-built third generation, fire-and-forget anti-tank missile, Nag, scored a “bull’s eye” and successfully hit the target 4 km away during a night trial in the Mahajan Field Firing Range, Rajasthan, last week.

    During the test, the Thermal Target System (TTS) developed by a defence laboratory at Jodhpur was used as target for the missile, which is in the final user configuration. TTS simulated a target similar to an operational tank as thermal mapping from tank to TTS was carried out for generating thermal signature.

    According to scientists of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), the trial validated the enhanced 4-km range capability of Imaging-Infrared seeker, which guides the missile to the target after its launch. The scientists said multi-purpose mission exercises were carried out for improving the system. With the modified seeker achieving requisite range capability, the scientists said the Nag missile was now ready for final, pre-induction user trials.

    Director of Defence Research and Development Laboratory, (DRDL) K. Jayaraman said the final user trials would be conducted in different conditions in summer and winter this year. Using HEAT (High explosive anti-tank) warhead, the top-attack all-weather fire-and-forget system is capable of destroying modern tanks with armoured protection by nullifying their ERA (explosive reactive armour).

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    Ministry of Defence may cancel EoI for $7.5-bn vehicle project

    Post  Pinto on Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:33 am

    The ministry of defence (MoD) is planning to cancel and reissue an expression of interest (EoI) for the army’s $7.5-billion futuristic infantry combat vehicle (FICV) programme.Sources told FE that the MoD has also extended the deadline until later this month as the companies are waiting for the new Defence Procurement Policy (DPP) recommendations to be finalised, which has recommended a minimum 40% indigenous content as compared to the 30% indigenous content in DPP-2008.

    The MoD, which invited 10 companies in 2015 to submit proposals to develop the FICV under the ‘Make’ procedure, specified that two development agencies would be chosen.

    Now, even as that competitive selection continues, industry watchers claim that “the decision to extend the date and re-issue the EoI is being done to ensure that the Ordnance Factory Board gets the FICV programme. However, since the OFB has no expertise, it will be allowed to work with a consortium of private companies.”

    Industry sources claim that a consortium formed by L&T would include other players who have responded to the EoI. The nine private companies in the race — Larsen & Toubro; Tata Power (strategic engineering division); Tata Motors; Mahindra & Mahindra; Bharat Forge; Pipavav Defence; Rolta India; Punj Lloyd; and Titagarh Wagons.

    The FICV programme was approved in 2009, whose EoI was first issued in 2010 but was subsequently cancelled. Last year, the army re-issued the EoI after a gap of three years to 10 Indian companies and had sought responses by mid-January 2016.

    Two development agencies (DAs) will be selected and will compete for the $7.5 billion project. The Indian companies have been encouraged to form consortium (maximum five) and also tie up with as many foreign companies to bring home latest technologies on a licence basis to strengthen indigenous know-how.

    According to an E&Y report ,‘Eye on Defence 2016’, “Four assessment categories with varied weightage have been listed out to pick these two agencies at the end of EoI stage. The cost of development of the prototype will be shared amongst the MoD and contenders with a 4:1 ratio. DRDO, being a technical evaluation agency, will not be competing/participating as a potential partner for any of the 40 key technologies identified by the army in its proposal. The contribution of the Indian industry to acquire, develop and indigenise critical technologies will be one of the key criteria in the assessment of various proposals. This current issue captures all this a segment wise listing of the probable technology partners for this programme.”

    “Indigenisation is one of the important requirements of the program; therefore, parties must agree to collaborate to achieve the respective indigenisation targets for the development phase and serial production phase. A minimum 30% indigenous content on cost basis (excluding taxes, duties and other statutory obligations) is mandatory for the developed prototype of FICV. However, with 30% indigenous content, there is insufficient incentive to indigenise, which should be the primary objective in a ‘Make’ project,” the report states.

    Also, the ownership of any intellectual property generated from any joint development will be mutually agreed upon and may be transferable to the MoD, if required for the programme.

    Under the ‘Make’ procedure, the defence ministry will choose the best two proposals. Those two companies, and the OFB, will design and develop separate FICV prototypes. The defence ministry would reimburse 80% of their expenses. As a matter of fact, no design of such major platform has been developed in the country and hence, no suitable data on cost of design and development is available for guidance.

    The best prototype will then be selected, and the vendor that built it will get a manufacturing contract. About 2,600 FICVs will be needed to replace the army’s old Russian-origin BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles.

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    * Firms are waiting for the new Defence Procurement Policy (DPP) recommendations, which include the recommendation for a minimum 40% indigenous content as compared with the 30% indigenous content in DPP-2008, to be finalised

    * The defence ministry, which invited 10 companies in 2015 to submit proposals to develop the combat vehicle, specified that two development agencies would be chosen

    http://www.financialexpress.com/article/economy/ministry-of-defence-may-cancel-eoi-for-7-5-bn-vehicle-project/207497/

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    Post  Militarov on Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:36 pm

    "Tata Motors has signed a strategic agreement with Bharat Forge Limited and General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS) of the US, for the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD’s) prestigious Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) program. Tata Motors will lead the consortium, with Bharat Forge Limited as a partner, while General Dynamics Land Systems will bring in its much proven expertise in combat vehicle platforms.

    Tata Motors will play on its strengths related to Design, Development & Integration of mobility platforms, while Bharat Forge’s will bring on board its competence with fighting platforms and manufacturing strengths. General Dynamics’ proven expertise, as SOSI (a system of systems integrator) in various integrational programs, will bring in the required competency enabling Tata Motors, the lead integrator, to offer a truly indigenous solution for this ‘Make’ program.

    To be developed under the ‘Make Category’, the FICV is a high mobility armoured battle vehicle, for infantry men to keep pace with new advancements in weaponry system. The FICV needs to be compact, tracked and amphibious, no heavier than 18-20 tonnes, so that it can be air-portable and transportable by other means, onto combat zones. The vehicle must fire anti-tank guided missiles, to ranges beyond four kilometers, with a capability to carry a crew of three and eight combat-kitted infantrymen. The FICV will replace the Indian Army’s fleet of 2610 Russian-designed BMP (Sarath BMP-II) series armed vehicles, that are in operation since 1980."

    Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/tata-motors-announces-strategic-partnership-with-general-dynamics-land-systems-for-indian-ficv-program.html

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:05 am

    The FICV needs to be compact, tracked and amphibious, no heavier than 18-20 tonnes, so that it can be air-portable and transportable by other means, onto combat zones.

    So they choose the Chinook over the Halo, so this decision means no helicopter transport options and they have established a joint venture with a US company to build a new IFV to replace the BMPs they currently have in service.... and they set the weight requirements to a level where the helo they have chosen cannot transport the vehicles.


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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:33 am

    GarryB wrote:
    The FICV needs to be compact, tracked and amphibious, no heavier than 18-20 tonnes, so that it can be air-portable and transportable by other means, onto combat zones.

    So they choose the Chinook over the Halo, so this decision means no helicopter transport options and they have established a joint venture with a US company to build a new IFV to replace the BMPs they currently have in service.... and they set the weight requirements to a level where the helo they have chosen cannot transport the vehicles.

    I know, it's truly laughable.

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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:24 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    The FICV needs to be compact, tracked and amphibious, no heavier than 18-20 tonnes, so that it can be air-portable and transportable by other means, onto combat zones.

    So they choose the Chinook over the Halo, so this decision means no helicopter transport options and they have established a joint venture with a US company to build a new IFV to replace the BMPs they currently have in service.... and they set the weight requirements to a level where the helo they have chosen cannot transport the vehicles.

    I know, it's truly laughable.

    I am glad when India falls on its butt, trying to sit on two chairs without brains and without any solid plans for the future, maybe they will get educated a bit.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:44 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    The FICV needs to be compact, tracked and amphibious, no heavier than 18-20 tonnes, so that it can be air-portable and transportable by other means, onto combat zones.

    So they choose the Chinook over the Halo, so this decision means no helicopter transport options and they have established a joint venture with a US company to build a new IFV to replace the BMPs they currently have in service.... and they set the weight requirements to a level where the helo they have chosen cannot transport the vehicles.

    I know, it's truly laughable.

    I am glad when India falls on its butt, trying to sit on two chairs without brains and without any solid plans for the future, maybe they will get educated a bit.

    I know right? We have a 'clear-cut' example how cost-effective a politicized arms procurement plan can be, just take a look at the GCC vermin's performance in Yemen....truly pitiful!!!

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:39 am

    Would prefer cooler heads got control of things and they did not need a fall to see the roses...


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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:00 pm

    GarryB wrote:Would prefer cooler heads got control of things and they did not need a fall to see the roses...

    But they certainly need this big fall on their butts so every indian wakes up from this horseshit propaganda of Friendly west just like to many russians have been stupid enough to believe the West is good untill Ukraine, now they know it better. That is what i wish for the indians...and for us germans well, the tide will turn after nukes go boom that i know for certain.

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    Post  Militarov on Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:36 pm

    "TATRA TRUCKS will present their products at the trade fair of defense technology Defexpo India 2016, which will be held from 28 to 31 March 2016 in India, in the town of Quitol, the state of Goa. We sincerely invite all those interested to visit our stand, located in Hall 3, booth labeled 3.2.3.

    The Indian Army has more than 8,000 TATRA vehicles, making it one of the most active users of this technology. At Defexpo, TATRA TRUCKS will present the TATRA FORCE model range vehicle with AWD 8×8. In the future this advanced range should replace the older TATRA vehicles with 4×4 up to 12×12 configurations.

    However, since 2012, following allegation of corruption charges against its previous Indian stakeholder, deliveries were stopped. The acquisition of TATRA Company in 2013, by Czech shareholders, enabled TATRA to return to India in 2015, with the establishment of distribution agreement with BEML, which will provide the completion services under agreement with the Indian Armed Forces.



    Last year delivered 100 vehicles to India, mostly in the form of complete knocked down (CKD) sets; the company expects to deliver at least 250 vehicles in 2016, in different states of readiness for the final assembly. After-sales and support for the regional fleets will be provided by its TATRA India subsidiary.

    The TATRA FORCE are commonly built for customers outside Europe. They are characterized by a liquid-cooled engine from a foreign producer mounted together with the Twin Disc automatic transmission which is incorporated into the central load-carrying tube. Vehicles have all-wheel drive; a torque distributor is integrated in the transmission. Axles are fitted with two hub reduction gears in two types available. Vehicles can be equipped with a tire inflation system. The FORCE range is available from 6×6, 8×8 through 10×10 versions up to an absolutely unique 12×12 version. These last two versions have steerable wheels on the two final axles. The drive to these wheels can be disengaged. Deutz, Cummins and Caterpillarliquid-cooled engines are available."


    Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/tatra-is-returning-to-india-and-expect-to-deliver-250-trucks-in-2016.html

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:50 pm

    Tata, Ashok Leyland and Mahindra seem to dominate the large vehicle market. Reason why Kamaz, far superior trucks, don't operate in India.

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    Post  Militarov on Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:07 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Tata, Ashok Leyland and Mahindra seem to dominate the large vehicle market. Reason why Kamaz, far superior trucks, don't operate in India.

    Tatra is actually very good, even Israelis operate them. They have some KraZ trucks in India tho.

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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:15 pm

    Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

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