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    Post  Mindstorm on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:39 am



    Can you tell me what is the kind of protection level does BMP-3M offers.

    Is it immune to small arms fire from all sides , the frontal protection which is stronger is it immune to 30 mm gun ?

    I image that you talk of resilience to KE penetrators.
    BMP-3 (in its first export version) is impenetrable by vast majority of 25mm and 30mm APFSDS rounds (for angles of incidence 0-30 degrees) for great part of its frontal projection.
    BMP-3M (always exportable version), with add-on armor shields and new laminated alluminium alloy is impenetrable by all type of 25 -30 mm APFSDS in its entire frontal projection and from 12,7 reinforced AP rounds all-around.

    This factor was one of the main catalysing element triggering quick introduction of 35mm guns on several LAVs and extensive researchs on 50mm Supershot, CTA 40 and Super 40 rounds.


    What about protection from mine how good is that ?



    Very ,very limited (several design solutions work even against mine detonation resilience in BMP-3.
    BMP-3 was designed to render very diffcult (or even impossible) for enemy to plan minefield's placement ,through superbe tactical mobility amd full amphibious capability.
    Naturally that would be true in typical offensive/counteroffensive operations in a major war; in COIN operations, instead, where your BMP-3 would execute theirs daily patrols coming from well known HQ bases and on urban roads all change.


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    Post  TR1 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:23 pm

    Pretty sure BMP-3 front was rated against 30mm AP, not APFSDS.

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    Post  Mindstorm on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:49 pm


    Pretty sure BMP-3 front was rated against 30mm AP, not APFSDS.


    I image that you are not the person at which is necessary to explain the difference in denominations of acronyms between Western and Russian literature....do you know, forgiving this "little" detail, no Russian MBT would have been tested against an APFSDS round..... ever !!! Very Happy Very Happy

    If you have instead some doubts on the figures involved you would be interested to graph at pag 7 Wink



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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:39 am

    Very simply if 30mm could penetrate the BMP-3M reliably there would be no wide scale move to larger more powerful cannon calibres.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:05 am

    Yesterday DRDO Chief made some interesting statement on IA future Tank called FMBT

    http://bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=19853


    On being asked about FMBT he said, “The idea is to reduce the weight of the tank. Developed nations such as the United States of America and Israel have been working on reducing the weights of battle tanks. Heavy weights of tanks affect their maneuverability. We are therefore looking to reduce the weight of FMBT to 50 tonnes each.

    So FMBT will be a 50T tank and then he also admits Heavy Tank Affect their Maneuveribility ....something Mindstorm as alluded to us before Wink
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:13 am

    Austin, I thought they killed the FMBT program in favor of the Arjun?
    Also, its pretty weird reading Damian's posts defending the T-90 there in DFI.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:59 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:Austin, I thought they killed the FMBT program in favor of the Arjun?
    Also, its pretty weird reading Damian's posts defending the T-90 there in DFI.

    That was Ajai Shukla claiming in his write up claiming his source but apparently that is untrue as we know now from DRDO chief.

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    Yesterday DRDO Chief made some interesting statement on IA future Tank called FMBT

    Post  TR1 on Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:02 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:Austin, I thought they killed the FMBT program in favor of the Arjun?
    Also, its pretty weird reading Damian's posts defending the T-90 there in DFI.

    Damien is a good guy, but hopelessly Abrams obsessed.
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    Post  Sujoy on Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:55 pm

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    Post  Austin on Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:58 am

    Nice video of T-90,T-72 and Arjun tank fighting Side by Side in the desert

    https://youtu.be/kwvFlzNjYjU
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:09 am

    Nice.

    Really don't understand them not buying air con though...

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    Post  Austin on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:11 am

    GarryB wrote:Nice.

    Really don't understand them not buying air con though...

    Its considered as unmanly in IA if you cant fight Dessert Battle sitting inside the tank in heat , All previous tanks of IA never had an Air Con.

    For a change though the limited upgrade proposed for T-90 does have provision for Air Con , so will the Arjun i think.
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    Nice video of T-90,T-72 and Arjun tank fighting Side by Side in the desert

    Post  TR1 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:33 pm

    Nice video Austin, thanks.
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    India Armed forces numbers

    Post  henriksoder on Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:58 am

    Hello

    I want to discuss the India Armed Forces strength. In my mind it kind of seems like a very important and strong military power in the world. According to my sorces they got like at least one million soldiers with reservs troops and that kind of seems like a huge amount but China must have almost two million with reserve troops (just look at the countries population). What can India do with their huge amount of soldiers, I guess that they carry very bad equipment and are not good organized or trained and dosen't have the military force to obtain a strong military power. I think India should continue to grow their military budget with the country economic progress. Like get more useful active soldiers in the sense that they must be better equipped, trained and organized to face a superior enemy.

    I mean, they got alot of aircrafts, like 1745 aircrafts and two carriars which carry aircrafts, and that is pretty strong. I think India should focus on maintaining one carriar each on the two differents costs of India and obtain a strong air force from the main land in order to obtain a strong air space and a strong military offensive and defensive. The army should reform in order to maintain a strong military power in India and across their borders. India should work for a prosper economic development in India and for a free, prosper and peaceful world where human lives is respected and sustatined and where economic and human progress is insured. I read somewhere that India carry like 7000 tanks or something, but I dont know if that it's true, becouse then India tank force is almost the same in amount as US. How strong is India mark force, for example the tank force? India should focus on develop their military and gain neccesarry military equipment and a stronger and more effectful defense.

    What is your opinion about the India armed forces? Duties in the world or their military strength or other exciting facts or opinions about India armed forces?

    /Henrik
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    Post  max steel on Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:31 pm

    Wow wow affraid . Stop it there bounce . They might be carrying old equipment but it's baseless to say that they are not good organized or trained .

    An Indian Army team has won the gold medal in the prestigious Cambrian Patrol held in the UK beating more than 140 participants in 2014 .

    Exercise Cambrian Patrol is an annual international military patrolling event that makes its participating units cover a 80km course in less than 48 hours while performing numerous types of military exercises placed throughout the rugged Cambrian Mountains and swamp lands of mid-Wales in UK.


    Yup India isn't in a position to project a global military power . by the way we had enough with murican miliary empire . In this multipolar era we don't need a single nation stretching its military unncessarily invading and murdering others .


    http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/indian-army-team-wins-gold-medal-at-a-prestigious-event-in-uk-114102800902_1.html
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    Post  dberwal on Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:02 am

    henriksoder wrote:Hello

    I want to discuss the India Armed Forces strength. In my mind it kind of seems like a very important and strong military power in the world. According to my sorces they got like at least one million soldiers with reservs troops and that kind of seems like a huge amount but China must have almost two million with reserve troops (just look at the countries population). What can India do with their huge amount of soldiers, I guess that they carry very bad equipment and are not good organized or trained and dosen't have the military force to obtain a strong military power. I think India should continue to grow their military budget with the country economic progress. Like get more useful active soldiers in the sense that they must be better equipped, trained and organized to face a superior enemy.
    IA is very well trained and completely volunteer force against conscription.
    Equipment is not bad but not what best money can buy.

    India has never been a aggressor country in last 5000+ years of existence. That is the only reason we dont send our army to foreign land to fight. Look at the history of WW1 and WW2.

    Indian troops were the largest contingent from a single country (leaving aside US and Russia)
    Allies won these war on our blood and don't have the shame to even acknowledge this part of history.

    IA runs the premier Counter-Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJW) training facility in the world. CIJW was established in 1967 as the Jungle Training School. The current name is there from 1970.

    This facility was open for other countries in 2001 and 3 US officers were the first to be trained here.
    Most of the countries who have started such training facility have first trained in India and learned from it. US/UK/French/Italy/Isreal..... are some countries who avail of these training facility.

    Another one:
    The High Altitude Warfare School (HAWS) is a training and research establishment of the Indian Army. In 1948, Indian Army established a ski school in Gulmarg which later became the High Altitude Warfare School of the Indian army specializing in snow–craft and winter warfare. this st approx 2700 meter (9000 feet)

    The Indian Army is among the most experienced and best trained in mountain warfare having fought numerous conflicts in the Himalayan mountain territories, at altitudes over 6000 meters (20,000 feet) and at temperatures as low as -50 Celsius. Given the extensive experience of the Indian Army in mountain warfare, troops from other nations regularly train and conduct joint exercises at these schools. Because of its experience in fighting wars in mountain regions for over 50 years. Indian Mountain Warfare Units are considered among the best in the world. Numerous army units across the world are now implementing training modules modeled after Indian Mountain Warfare training systems, these include US, UK, Russia


    I mean, they got alot of aircrafts, like 1745 aircrafts and two carriars which carry aircrafts, and that is pretty strong. I think India should focus on maintaining one carriar each on the two differents costs of India and obtain a strong air force from the main land in order to obtain a strong air space and a strong military offensive and defensive. The army should reform in order to maintain a strong military power in India and across their borders. India should work for a prosper economic development in India and for a free, prosper and peaceful world where human lives is respected and sustatined and where economic and human progress is insured. I read somewhere that India carry like 7000 tanks or something, but I dont know if that it's true, becouse then India tank force is almost the same in amount as US. How strong is India mark force, for example the tank force? India should focus on develop their military and gain neccesarry military equipment and a stronger and more effectful defense.

    What is your opinion about the India armed forces? Duties in the world or their military strength or other exciting facts or opinions about India armed forces?

    /Henrik

    Indian is like a sleeping elephant or tiger, Indian dont have a conqueror mentality as the 5000+ year history has shown but if put to a corner it can surely take care of itself.

    Well looking at how world politics is developing 3-5 carrier force for Navy is what we are likely to see in next 20years (1 is operational, 1 under construction - induction in 3years and 1 just about to start construction)
    - Plus IN is interested in 40000 Ton LDP's ( likely to see 2-3 in next 5-7 yrs)

    Tanks are more likely like 3800+ or so.

    I don't believe we have any desire in policing world like US.
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    Post  max steel on Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:29 am

    Nice work dbrewal but Indian army is lacking in high tech and high precision warfare kits and gears . We don't even posses enough ammunition to fight a month long war . corruption again is a issue in indian defense at political level , have no idea whether it's among high rank officials also .
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:25 pm

    max steel wrote:Nice work dbrewal but Indian army is lacking in high tech and high precision warfare kits and gears . We don't even posses enough ammunition to fight a month long war . corruption again is a issue in indian defense at political level , have no idea whether it's among high rank officials also .

    There is. My brother in law is in Indian air force. I hear of interesting stories. But that doesn't mean all.

    Problem with India is that due to being a major arms importer, they have to rely on someone else. It is getting silly too on the mass amounts of differences on guns and systems used in India that just makes it hard on logistics and such (Tejas aircraft, MiG-29, Su-30, Rafale) and now trying to field two other tanks. I imagine it is a nightmare logistically and making sure you got enough munitions that work with each system.

    Subsystems for plenty of stuff is made in India. Dunno where they get components though, probably Israel.
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    Post  dberwal on Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:46 pm

    max steel wrote:Nice work dbrewal but Indian army is lacking in high tech and high precision warfare kits and gears . We don't even posses enough ammunition to fight a month long war . corruption again is a issue in indian defense at political level , have no idea whether it's among high rank officials also .

    we are able to buy what we can afford... rest we are developing (no other way out)

    tell me which other country other than India publishes such statistics as ammo reserves to fight a full scale war?

    well tell me which country is not subject to corruption?

    Well corruption by nature once come in spreads its wings all over. Corruption is the parting gift Britishers gave us.

    Indian Politics today is highly corrupt 10:1 ratio, But the change in leadership last year has revived hopes!!

    Even Indian urban society is corrupt at a ration of 10:1

    Indian defense force still by luck or chance are opposite of this ratio.

    My personal views are that the current form of democracy as advertised by west is the cause of corruption.

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    Post  aksha on Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:48 am

    Army zeroes in on Made in India rifles to replace INSAS
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/assault-rifle-excalibur-drdo-dalbir-singh-indian-army-arde/1/449238.html
    The performance of the DRDO-designed 'Excalibur' assault rifle in trials last month at the Armament Research and Development Establishment in Pune has further enthused the Army.



    The Indian Army has decided to go for an indigenous assault rifle to replace the problematic INSAS rifles. The decision that could save thousands of crores in foreign exchange and boost local manufacture was taken recently by Army Chief General Dalbir Singh. The Army then cancelled a problematic Rs 4,848 crore order for importing Multi Caliber Assault Rifles on June 15-first reported by Mail Today on July 1.

    "We are going in for a designed and Made in India rifle in keeping with the government's indigenisation thrusts," senior Army sources told Mail Today.

    The performance of the DRDO-designed 'Excalibur' assault rifle in trials last month at the Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) in Pune has further enthused the Army. The Excalibur had only two stoppages (where the bullet gets stuck in the breech) after 24,000 rounds were fired, close to the Army's specifications of only one stoppage.




    New features

    The Excalibur is an improved version of the INSAS rifle and fires 5.56x45 mm ammunition. It has full-automatic capability over the INSAS which can only fire a three-round burst. The Excalibur barrel is shorter by 4 mm, has a side folding butt stock and features a Picatinny rail, a universal mount that allows a range of weapon sights and sensors to be fitted on the rifle.

    DRDO officials say it will take the OFB's Rifle Factory Ishapore at least eight months to incorporate design changes suggested by the ARDE and field the first prototypes of what they are calling the 'Modified INSAS Rifle' (MIR). Changes suggested after trials include a smaller handguard and improved polycarbonate magazine.

    If the Excalibur/MIR clears trials, it could be in the hands of infantry soldiers within two years, DRDO officials say. The DRDO is designing a second version of the Excalibur, the AR-2 that fires 7.62x39 mm rounds used by AK-47. The AR-2 will be offered as an alternative to the Russianorigin assault rifle.

    The Army's 2011 tender was for a Multi Caliber Assault Rifle or for a weapon that could fire INSAS and AK-47 ammunition with a barrel change.

    Five international firms - Beretta of Italy, Israeli Weapons Industries (IWI), Colt Defense of the US, Ceska Zbplojovka of Czech Republic and SiG Sauer of Switzerland-were shortlisted for the trials.

    However, Army officials now admit the specifications were poorly drafted and unrealistic.
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    Post  Book. on Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:55 pm

    Indian Company Reveals UAV Partnership with AeroVironment
    by Neelam Mathews - August 5, 2015, 9:32 AM

    Bangalore, India-based Dynamatic Technologies is co-developing a new generation lightweight unmanned aerial system (UAS) with AeroVironment of the U.S. It is named the Cheel (Hindi for Eagle) and will be based on AeroVironment’s proven expertise, with the design evolving from the 5 kg Raven and 12 kg Puma UAS. The project is one of the six “pathfinder projects” identified under the U.S.-India Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) earlier this year.

    “The first Cheel will fly eleven months after formal approval,” Udayant Malhoutra, Dynamatic CEO and managing director told AIN. The Indian company is already a supplier to Airbus, Bell and Boeing and has built an advanced avionics and communications laboratory; payload development facility; composites facility; and an assembly and testing facility for small UAS in Bangalore.

    Denying recent media reports that the Indian Army had rejected the Raven, Malhoutra said that the Cheel would be different from the Raven. “It has a different signature incorporating the engineering capability of Dynamatic,” he said. Tom Cunningham, AeroVironment’'s vice president for strategic partnerships, said last February at the Bangalore airshow: “We’re going to take the form factor of Raven and add some features of Puma. We’re moving the propeller forward…it will fly higher with longer wings, and be easy to launch.” AIN understands that the Cheel will have solar power from wing panels, a development that is foreseen for the Puma on AeroVironment’s website.

    The Puma is designed for land-based and maritime operations and the Cheel similarly be capable of landing in water or on land. It will also have the Puma’s precision navigation system with secondary GPS, which provides greater positional accuracy and reliability. The Cheel will be operated from a ground control station (GCS) that is compatible with all AeroVironment’s tactical ISR UAS. Dynamatic has conducted a number of trials of these UAS in mountainous, desert and jungle terrain along with homeland security-related forces, to check vagaries of the environment and to evaluate the needs of users. The Indian company was also involved in a U.S.-India exercise using the Raven UAS.

    While the Cheel is the designated project under the DTTI, “the partnership with AeroVironment is for a family of UAS…[we will] create variants that offer a range of capabilities,” said Malhoutra. The partnership is exclusive. On the possibility of extending it to the Global Observer high-altitude long-endurance UAS being developed by AeroVironment, Malhoutra said, “Potentially we can work on anything. There has to be business rationale for both [companies].”

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-08-05/indian-company-reveals-uav-partnership-aerovironment

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    Focus on Hypersonic Reusable Cruise Missile, Says Scientist
    By Express News Service Published: 09th August 2015 03:31 AM

    VISAKHAPATNAM: After developing various versions of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, Indian scientists are focusing on developing a hypersonic reusable cruise missile which is first of its kind in the world, revealed BrahMos Aerospace founder and DRDO former chief controller (Research and development) A Sivathanu Pillai. He said that the idea of reusable cruise missile development was an inspiration from the Mahabharath, particularly Lord Krishna’s Sudharshan Chakra. Like Sudarshan Chakra, the hypersonic cruise missile will destroy the target with pin-point accuracy and fly back to the base for multiple use, he added.

    Sivathanu Pillai was conferred with the GITAM Foundation Award by GITAM president MVVS Murthi during the 35th Foundation Day celebrations of GITAM University here Saturday.

    Addressing the gathering on the occasion, Pillai shared his association with former President and fellow scientist APJ Abdul Kalam who passed away recently. “Kalam wanted to convert the SLV-3 into a missile, but the then ISRO chairman Satish Dhawan, wanted to keep ISRO away from missile development as it might affect the international cooperation that the ISRO had with many countries. But Kalam’s mind was always revolving around developing a re-entry class of missile,” he explained while talking about the origins of missile technology in India. Pillai recalled that after successful SLV-3 mission, Kalam succeeded in the missile project at DRDO through the formulation of the Re-entry Experiment (REX) which, much later, became Agni.

    Pillai said that the growth of the technology level in advanced areas closer to the developed countries, has made India a nation of strength, winning it respect world-wide. He felt that BrahMos had established a global leadership for India. He suggested that Indian universities and educational systems should create two cadres of personnel particularly creating a global cadre of skilled youth with specific knowledge of special skills and another global cadre of youth focusing on research and innovation. “These two cadres could be utilised not only for powering the manufacturing and services sectors of India, but also fulfill the human resource requirements of various countries,” he added.

    The founder of BrahMos Space felt that the country’s prosperity is powered by technology, which comes out of research and innovations. “If we are expected to achieve results which have been never before accomplished, we must employ methods which have been never before attempted, but with utmost honesty,” he opined.

    On the occasion, Sivathanu Pillai presented the GITAM University Best Teacher awards to MRS Satyanarayana, K Manjusree Naidu, R Ventakateswarlu, MV Lakshmi, M Rama Rao, L Srinivas, K Mohan, B Nalini and Best Supporting Staff awards to T Sridhar, O Tata Rao, and Shaik Hussain. GITAM vice-president M Gangadhara Rao, vice-chancellor G Subrahmanyam, pro vice-chancellor D Harinarayana, registrar M Potharaju and others participated in the programme.

    http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Focus-on-Hypersonic-Reusable-Cruise-Missile-Says-Scientist/2015/08/09/article2965112.ece

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    Army for modular design concept for tanks
    New Delhi: August 11, 2015, DHNS

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/494578/army-modular-design-concept-tanks.html

    Indian Army will not drop its modular design concept for the next generation main battle tanks, notwithstanding the criticism from the industry. The modular design, claims the Army, would allow subsequent development of 10 different variants of the tanks including light weight tanks, armoured recovery vehicles and trawls among others.

    The Directorate-General of Mechanised Forces recently issued a request for information to the tank designers from all over the world to participate in designing the future ready combat vehicle that seeks to replace the ageing T-72 fleet. Though the concept received criticism within the industry, the army defended the proposal. “The FRCV will be a combat vehicle platform which will form the base for developing a family of vehicles,” said a statement issued by the Army.


    The RFI does not give out the detailed parameters of the FRCV. These will be given to the agencies shortlisted for the design competition. The brief description of the FRCV, given out as part of the RFI, is only to give a very rough idea of what the product is likely to be, it adds. Indian Army began inducting the Russian origin T-72 tanks in the late 1970s. Since most of these tanks don’t have night vision and is based on outdated technology, a search is on for advanced main battle tanks as DRDO’s Arjun is not up to the mark.

    The Indian Army currently relies on the modern T-90 tanks that came from Russia in the 1990s. The FRCV for a design competition to identify innovative design options, which will form the base for a combat vehicle platform. It is planned to subsequently develop other need-based variants on this platform, if found suitable.

    “These platforms are to meet the futuristic requirements of the services beyond 2027 and are not in conflict with the current MBT Arjun Programme and its future orders,” Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said in the Parliament.

    Two armoured regiments of MBT Arjun Mk-I have been raised and operationalised. Out of total indented quantity of 124 Arjun Mk-I tanks, as many as 122 indigenous tanks have been produced and inducted into Army. However, these tanks are used mostly in the desert regions as the terrain in Punjab and Jammu are not suitable for using the Arjuns in an operational role.

    The defence ministry has also agreed to procure 118 Arjun Mk-II, when it is finally ready.

    DH News Service


    India Heavy Vehicle Factory the T-90S producion line

    Only lite tank future
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    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:55 am

    Indian version of Armata ? Question Question Idea
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    Post  Book. on Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:31 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Indian version of Armata ? Question Question Idea

    I read the note. 40 ton lite tank

    Arjun heavy no good Surprised

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