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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:30 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

    Just to be clear Tatra is Checz automotive company, and TATA is Indian. KrAZ PMP 255b is used in India since 80s and some systems they obtained though time were on Ural chasis, so yeah there are some Russian trucks in Indian army, but not in quantities to be compared with Tata.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:03 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

    Just to be clear Tatra is Checz automotive company, and TATA is Indian. KrAZ PMP 255b is used in India since 80s and some systems they obtained though time were on Ural chasis, so yeah there are some Russian trucks in Indian army, but not in quantities to be compared with Tata.

    I am aware of that. But my point stands regarding how Tata, Ashok Leland and Mahindra operate.

    As well, I was reading through my wifes twitter account and there are people in India really wanting the push for F-18's and F-16's for India. Specifically Growlers. I laughed my ass off and said to my wife: "Indians seem to have a very narrow hind-sight. They seem to think it is a good idea to get F-16's which is the same plane their enemy flies, and think somehow they will get special benefits out of it. Even Canada doesn't get tech transfer nor does it get its own specialists instead, we have to bring in US contractors to do certain tasks on our CF-188's. So that would mean that US specialists could just border hop and operate on both nations F-16's, preparing each other to face each other." I also pointed out how US is falling behind in electronic warfare systems and the Growler may not be a very good idea. And also mentioned about strings attached.

    Guess there is no shortage of useful idiots in India.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  max steel on Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:36 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

    Just to be clear Tatra is Checz automotive company, and TATA is Indian. KrAZ PMP 255b is used in India since 80s and some systems they obtained though time were on Ural chasis, so yeah there are some Russian trucks in Indian army, but not in quantities to be compared with Tata.

    I am aware of that.  But my point stands regarding how Tata, Ashok Leland and Mahindra operate.

    As well, I was reading through my wifes twitter account and there are people in India really wanting the push for F-18's and F-16's for India.  Specifically Growlers.  I laughed my ass off and said to my wife: "Indians seem to have a very narrow hind-sight.  They seem to think it is a good idea to get F-16's which is the same plane their enemy flies, and think somehow they will get special benefits out of it.  Even Canada doesn't get tech transfer nor does it get its own specialists instead, we have to bring in US contractors to do certain tasks on our CF-188's.  So that would mean that US specialists could just border hop and operate on both nations F-16's, preparing each other to face each other."  I also pointed out how US is falling behind in electronic warfare systems and the Growler may not be a very good idea.  And also mentioned about strings attached.

    Guess there is no shortage of useful idiots in India.


    People have different opinions you can't stop them meanwhile India hasn't shown any interest in US F-16IN joint production proposal yet. India was against US F-16 deal with Pakistan as China is also supplying planes to them. U.S. government and private arms salesmen have worked for years to make India a big client for American weapons. India has chosen instead to smile at Americans but to continue to buy its arms from Russia.India is aware that American arms are invariably accompanied by American military advisers to train and support their foreign customers

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:53 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

    Just to be clear Tatra is Checz automotive company, and TATA is Indian. KrAZ PMP 255b is used in India since 80s and some systems they obtained though time were on Ural chasis, so yeah there are some Russian trucks in Indian army, but not in quantities to be compared with Tata.

    I am aware of that.  But my point stands regarding how Tata, Ashok Leland and Mahindra operate.

    As well, I was reading through my wifes twitter account and there are people in India really wanting the push for F-18's and F-16's for India.  Specifically Growlers.  I laughed my ass off and said to my wife: "Indians seem to have a very narrow hind-sight.  They seem to think it is a good idea to get F-16's which is the same plane their enemy flies, and think somehow they will get special benefits out of it.  Even Canada doesn't get tech transfer nor does it get its own specialists instead, we have to bring in US contractors to do certain tasks on our CF-188's.  So that would mean that US specialists could just border hop and operate on both nations F-16's, preparing each other to face each other."  I also pointed out how US is falling behind in electronic warfare systems and the Growler may not be a very good idea.  And also mentioned about strings attached.

    Guess there is no shortage of useful idiots in India.

    Many Indians welcomed recent procurement of Western, especially US built systems. Many systems from West (or not from Russia/India) were obtained in last decade C130, P8 Poseidon, Apache, Chinnok, Tavors, C17, Dornier Do 228, Pilatus PC-7, BAE Hawk, Casspirs, K9 Thunder, Spike ATGMs, Rafales are an option and many many other.

    Well Americans did offer tech transfer for F16IN however Indians opted for Rafale as French DID claim they would give tech transfer to India if they sign contract, however they changed their mind midway and now its out of the question if India stays with this "tiny" 36 aircraft order. There were rumors last few months that US is trying to fill the gap with Super Hornet tech transfer and sales of Growler.

    I like idea of Growler as it retains majority of its combat capabilities and still offers huge EW capabilities, its sad that Russia atm does not field real EW aircraft in same category at all except Su-24MP and we do not rly know their status for sure. I wouldnt say that US is falling behind on EW, that is in minds of journalists, Russians are closing the gap, but i wouldnt jump into conclusion that easily to claim that US is falling behind.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:48 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

    Just to be clear Tatra is Checz automotive company, and TATA is Indian. KrAZ PMP 255b is used in India since 80s and some systems they obtained though time were on Ural chasis, so yeah there are some Russian trucks in Indian army, but not in quantities to be compared with Tata.

    I am aware of that.  But my point stands regarding how Tata, Ashok Leland and Mahindra operate.

    As well, I was reading through my wifes twitter account and there are people in India really wanting the push for F-18's and F-16's for India.  Specifically Growlers.  I laughed my ass off and said to my wife: "Indians seem to have a very narrow hind-sight.  They seem to think it is a good idea to get F-16's which is the same plane their enemy flies, and think somehow they will get special benefits out of it.  Even Canada doesn't get tech transfer nor does it get its own specialists instead, we have to bring in US contractors to do certain tasks on our CF-188's.  So that would mean that US specialists could just border hop and operate on both nations F-16's, preparing each other to face each other."  I also pointed out how US is falling behind in electronic warfare systems and the Growler may not be a very good idea.  And also mentioned about strings attached.

    Guess there is no shortage of useful idiots in India.

    Many Indians welcomed recent procurement of Western, especially US built systems. Many systems from West (or not from Russia/India) were obtained in last decade C130, P8 Poseidon, Apache, Chinnok, Tavors, C17, Dornier Do 228, Pilatus PC-7, BAE Hawk, Casspirs, K9 Thunder, Spike ATGMs, Rafales are an option and many many other.

    Well Americans did offer tech transfer for F16IN however Indians opted for Rafale as French DID claim they would give tech transfer to India if they sign contract, however they changed their mind midway and now its out of the question if India stays with this "tiny" 36 aircraft order. There were rumors last few months that US is trying to fill the gap with Super Hornet tech transfer and sales of Growler.

    I like idea of Growler as it retains majority of its combat capabilities and still offers huge EW capabilities, its sad that Russia atm does not field real EW aircraft in same category at all except Su-24MP and we do not rly know their status for sure. I wouldnt say that US is falling behind on EW, that is in minds of journalists, Russians are closing the gap, but i wouldnt jump into conclusion that easily to claim that US is falling behind.

    That was pentagon who said that.  As well, the Su-34 has been spotted with Electronic warfare systems so it is available.  Many Indians that liked the purchases are the same indians that are from abroad (also called NRI's) and are paid for.

    All those systems you mentioned, none of them are made in India.  As I said, it will also require US personnel on site in order to maintain such equipment.  I highly doubt Indians wanted that.

    The Tech Transfer isn't real either. Lets face it, you think they will give India full tot or even half of it, when they cannot even give half of that half to Germany or any of its allies, like UK? Any Indian thinks otherwise, is getting a very long ride by US.

    And look at the recent Chinook helicopter deals. As mentioned by Werewolf, the US screwed them. Now they don't have any helicopters to carry its heavier equipment since Chinook cannot carry nearly as much as Mi-26 could have, especially for the new IFV's they are coming out with.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:02 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

    Just to be clear Tatra is Checz automotive company, and TATA is Indian. KrAZ PMP 255b is used in India since 80s and some systems they obtained though time were on Ural chasis, so yeah there are some Russian trucks in Indian army, but not in quantities to be compared with Tata.

    I am aware of that.  But my point stands regarding how Tata, Ashok Leland and Mahindra operate.

    As well, I was reading through my wifes twitter account and there are people in India really wanting the push for F-18's and F-16's for India.  Specifically Growlers.  I laughed my ass off and said to my wife: "Indians seem to have a very narrow hind-sight.  They seem to think it is a good idea to get F-16's which is the same plane their enemy flies, and think somehow they will get special benefits out of it.  Even Canada doesn't get tech transfer nor does it get its own specialists instead, we have to bring in US contractors to do certain tasks on our CF-188's.  So that would mean that US specialists could just border hop and operate on both nations F-16's, preparing each other to face each other."  I also pointed out how US is falling behind in electronic warfare systems and the Growler may not be a very good idea.  And also mentioned about strings attached.

    Guess there is no shortage of useful idiots in India.

    Many Indians welcomed recent procurement of Western, especially US built systems. Many systems from West (or not from Russia/India) were obtained in last decade C130, P8 Poseidon, Apache, Chinnok, Tavors, C17, Dornier Do 228, Pilatus PC-7, BAE Hawk, Casspirs, K9 Thunder, Spike ATGMs, Rafales are an option and many many other.

    Well Americans did offer tech transfer for F16IN however Indians opted for Rafale as French DID claim they would give tech transfer to India if they sign contract, however they changed their mind midway and now its out of the question if India stays with this "tiny" 36 aircraft order. There were rumors last few months that US is trying to fill the gap with Super Hornet tech transfer and sales of Growler.

    I like idea of Growler as it retains majority of its combat capabilities and still offers huge EW capabilities, its sad that Russia atm does not field real EW aircraft in same category at all except Su-24MP and we do not rly know their status for sure. I wouldnt say that US is falling behind on EW, that is in minds of journalists, Russians are closing the gap, but i wouldnt jump into conclusion that easily to claim that US is falling behind.

    That was pentagon who said that.  As well, the Su-34 has been spotted with Electronic warfare systems so it is available.  Many Indians that liked the purchases are the same indians that are from abroad (also called NRI's) and are paid for.

    All those systems you mentioned, none of them are made in India.  As I said, it will also require US personnel on site in order to maintain such equipment.  I highly doubt Indians wanted that.

    Yes i am aware they werent built in India, i tried to point out that its not new practice for India. They are however trying to get as much as they can under "build in India" policy.

    Pentagon and "generals" always say that so they get more money from Senate, they did like that always, at least since WW2. There were always certain figures in Defence Department that would cry how US weapons are useless aganist USSR/Russia/China, its just their way to get more money for DARPA and military industry in general.

    Its not same if you see SU35/SU34 with jamming pods and dedicated EW platform. Sure those are more than welcome however "real" EW platfom should emerge on SU34 base.

    Well Indians always needed foreign help in maintenance especially their navy and air force.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:10 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

    Just to be clear Tatra is Checz automotive company, and TATA is Indian. KrAZ PMP 255b is used in India since 80s and some systems they obtained though time were on Ural chasis, so yeah there are some Russian trucks in Indian army, but not in quantities to be compared with Tata.

    I am aware of that.  But my point stands regarding how Tata, Ashok Leland and Mahindra operate.

    As well, I was reading through my wifes twitter account and there are people in India really wanting the push for F-18's and F-16's for India.  Specifically Growlers.  I laughed my ass off and said to my wife: "Indians seem to have a very narrow hind-sight.  They seem to think it is a good idea to get F-16's which is the same plane their enemy flies, and think somehow they will get special benefits out of it.  Even Canada doesn't get tech transfer nor does it get its own specialists instead, we have to bring in US contractors to do certain tasks on our CF-188's.  So that would mean that US specialists could just border hop and operate on both nations F-16's, preparing each other to face each other."  I also pointed out how US is falling behind in electronic warfare systems and the Growler may not be a very good idea.  And also mentioned about strings attached.

    Guess there is no shortage of useful idiots in India.

    Many Indians welcomed recent procurement of Western, especially US built systems. Many systems from West (or not from Russia/India) were obtained in last decade C130, P8 Poseidon, Apache, Chinnok, Tavors, C17, Dornier Do 228, Pilatus PC-7, BAE Hawk, Casspirs, K9 Thunder, Spike ATGMs, Rafales are an option and many many other.

    Well Americans did offer tech transfer for F16IN however Indians opted for Rafale as French DID claim they would give tech transfer to India if they sign contract, however they changed their mind midway and now its out of the question if India stays with this "tiny" 36 aircraft order. There were rumors last few months that US is trying to fill the gap with Super Hornet tech transfer and sales of Growler.

    I like idea of Growler as it retains majority of its combat capabilities and still offers huge EW capabilities, its sad that Russia atm does not field real EW aircraft in same category at all except Su-24MP and we do not rly know their status for sure. I wouldnt say that US is falling behind on EW, that is in minds of journalists, Russians are closing the gap, but i wouldnt jump into conclusion that easily to claim that US is falling behind.

    That was pentagon who said that.  As well, the Su-34 has been spotted with Electronic warfare systems so it is available.  Many Indians that liked the purchases are the same indians that are from abroad (also called NRI's) and are paid for.

    All those systems you mentioned, none of them are made in India.  As I said, it will also require US personnel on site in order to maintain such equipment.  I highly doubt Indians wanted that.

    Yes i am aware they werent built in India, i tried to point out that its not new practice for India. They are however trying to get as much as they can under "build in India" policy.

    Pentagon and "generals" always say that so they get more money from Senate, they did like that always, at least since WW2. There were always certain figures in Defence Department that would cry how US weapons are useless aganist USSR/Russia/China, its just their way to get more money for DARPA and military industry in general.

    Its not same if you see SU35/SU34 with jamming pods and dedicated EW platform. Sure those are more than welcome however "real" EW platfom should emerge on SU34 base.

    Well Indians always needed foreign help in maintenance especially their navy and air force.

    And yet they keep talking about made in India since Modi got it.  Yet he demands more tech transfer from Russia but none from US.  Hmmm, sounds a little odd to me.

    Now, imagine those contractors coming from Pakistan and working on India's jets, and then have to go back to Pakistan to work on Pakistan jets.  I wonder how India is going to take that?  As you should be aware by now, India and Pakistan hate each other.  As well, there was a spat from Indians when Russia was ready to sell helicopters and planes to Pakistan.  So how come Russia cannot then sell to both sides if US can?  And what Pakistan wanted was different than what India had or wanted.  What India was gonna get from US is very similar.

    There is dedicated EW systems for Su-34: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Fullback.html

    SAP-518 and SAP-14

    The only purchases that made any sense for India was the Globemasters I believe they are. Even the P-8 was considered obsolete by US standards and they mocked it. The tavor sale was a joke and I have seen my fair share of those guns when I was in India. Then again, I saw so many different types of rifles used by the Indian soldiers/security when I was there, I only imagined the costs on logistics.

    India is a nation of heavy corruption. We had to bribe the soldiers just to let us to our hotel for christ sakes.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:26 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

    Just to be clear Tatra is Checz automotive company, and TATA is Indian. KrAZ PMP 255b is used in India since 80s and some systems they obtained though time were on Ural chasis, so yeah there are some Russian trucks in Indian army, but not in quantities to be compared with Tata.

    I am aware of that.  But my point stands regarding how Tata, Ashok Leland and Mahindra operate.

    As well, I was reading through my wifes twitter account and there are people in India really wanting the push for F-18's and F-16's for India.  Specifically Growlers.  I laughed my ass off and said to my wife: "Indians seem to have a very narrow hind-sight.  They seem to think it is a good idea to get F-16's which is the same plane their enemy flies, and think somehow they will get special benefits out of it.  Even Canada doesn't get tech transfer nor does it get its own specialists instead, we have to bring in US contractors to do certain tasks on our CF-188's.  So that would mean that US specialists could just border hop and operate on both nations F-16's, preparing each other to face each other."  I also pointed out how US is falling behind in electronic warfare systems and the Growler may not be a very good idea.  And also mentioned about strings attached.

    Guess there is no shortage of useful idiots in India.

    Many Indians welcomed recent procurement of Western, especially US built systems. Many systems from West (or not from Russia/India) were obtained in last decade C130, P8 Poseidon, Apache, Chinnok, Tavors, C17, Dornier Do 228, Pilatus PC-7, BAE Hawk, Casspirs, K9 Thunder, Spike ATGMs, Rafales are an option and many many other.

    Well Americans did offer tech transfer for F16IN however Indians opted for Rafale as French DID claim they would give tech transfer to India if they sign contract, however they changed their mind midway and now its out of the question if India stays with this "tiny" 36 aircraft order. There were rumors last few months that US is trying to fill the gap with Super Hornet tech transfer and sales of Growler.

    I like idea of Growler as it retains majority of its combat capabilities and still offers huge EW capabilities, its sad that Russia atm does not field real EW aircraft in same category at all except Su-24MP and we do not rly know their status for sure. I wouldnt say that US is falling behind on EW, that is in minds of journalists, Russians are closing the gap, but i wouldnt jump into conclusion that easily to claim that US is falling behind.

    That was pentagon who said that.  As well, the Su-34 has been spotted with Electronic warfare systems so it is available.  Many Indians that liked the purchases are the same indians that are from abroad (also called NRI's) and are paid for.

    All those systems you mentioned, none of them are made in India.  As I said, it will also require US personnel on site in order to maintain such equipment.  I highly doubt Indians wanted that.

    Yes i am aware they werent built in India, i tried to point out that its not new practice for India. They are however trying to get as much as they can under "build in India" policy.

    Pentagon and "generals" always say that so they get more money from Senate, they did like that always, at least since WW2. There were always certain figures in Defence Department that would cry how US weapons are useless aganist USSR/Russia/China, its just their way to get more money for DARPA and military industry in general.

    Its not same if you see SU35/SU34 with jamming pods and dedicated EW platform. Sure those are more than welcome however "real" EW platfom should emerge on SU34 base.

    Well Indians always needed foreign help in maintenance especially their navy and air force.

    And yet they keep talking about made in India since Modi got it.  Yet he demands more tech transfer from Russia but none from US.  Hmmm, sounds a little odd to me.

    Now, imagine those contractors coming from Pakistan and working on India's jets, and then have to go back to Pakistan to work on Pakistan jets.  I wonder how India is going to take that?  As you should be aware by now, India and Pakistan hate each other.  As well, there was a spat from Indians when Russia was ready to sell helicopters and planes to Pakistan.  So how come Russia cannot then sell to both sides if US can?  And what Pakistan wanted was different than what India had or wanted.  What India was gonna get from US is very similar.

    There is dedicated EW systems for Su-34: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Fullback.html

    SAP-518 and SAP-14

    The only purchases that made any sense for India was the Globemasters I believe they are.  Even the P-8 was considered obsolete by US standards and they mocked it.  The tavor sale was a joke and I have seen my fair share of those guns when I was in India.  Then again, I saw so many different types of rifles used by the Indian soldiers/security when I was there, I only imagined the costs on logistics.

    India is a nation of heavy corruption.  We had to bribe the soldiers just to let us to our hotel for christ sakes.

    Well aware of Indo-Pakistani relations and conflicts, unlike some countries Serbia offers very rich education Smile

    India did request tech transfer when they were offered F35 for an examle, but as it was denied they turned to EF2000 and Rafale. They also wanted tech transfer for Javelin, which was denied and then they opted for Spike, which US seems to didnt like. Well US is "big player", noone is questioning their moves, on other hand India expects somewhat of "friendly obedience" from Russia, as they know they are major buyer of Russian equipment while US has so many other more important customers like Turkey, Egypt, Japan, Taiwan, Israel...

    Yes, i am aware of pods developed for SU27 family however just attaching them to SU30/SU34 doesnt make it dedicated EW platform. Similar pods can be mounted on almost any fighter, what Russians need is SU34 built with main role of EW with secondary SEAD/Air Defence. With multiple integral pods and hardware on second seat that does data fusion on ELINT and allows you to share obtained enemy radar/radio/jammers positions and data, that allows you to analyse signals recieved and similar.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:37 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Not what I saw. And from my understanding from my inlaw, in India, these guys control the market due to corruption. If they say no to the trucks (since it will eat their profits, expect a few only to be sold to private firms. The army only operates TATA.

    Just to be clear Tatra is Checz automotive company, and TATA is Indian. KrAZ PMP 255b is used in India since 80s and some systems they obtained though time were on Ural chasis, so yeah there are some Russian trucks in Indian army, but not in quantities to be compared with Tata.

    I am aware of that.  But my point stands regarding how Tata, Ashok Leland and Mahindra operate.

    As well, I was reading through my wifes twitter account and there are people in India really wanting the push for F-18's and F-16's for India.  Specifically Growlers.  I laughed my ass off and said to my wife: "Indians seem to have a very narrow hind-sight.  They seem to think it is a good idea to get F-16's which is the same plane their enemy flies, and think somehow they will get special benefits out of it.  Even Canada doesn't get tech transfer nor does it get its own specialists instead, we have to bring in US contractors to do certain tasks on our CF-188's.  So that would mean that US specialists could just border hop and operate on both nations F-16's, preparing each other to face each other."  I also pointed out how US is falling behind in electronic warfare systems and the Growler may not be a very good idea.  And also mentioned about strings attached.

    Guess there is no shortage of useful idiots in India.

    Many Indians welcomed recent procurement of Western, especially US built systems. Many systems from West (or not from Russia/India) were obtained in last decade C130, P8 Poseidon, Apache, Chinnok, Tavors, C17, Dornier Do 228, Pilatus PC-7, BAE Hawk, Casspirs, K9 Thunder, Spike ATGMs, Rafales are an option and many many other.

    Well Americans did offer tech transfer for F16IN however Indians opted for Rafale as French DID claim they would give tech transfer to India if they sign contract, however they changed their mind midway and now its out of the question if India stays with this "tiny" 36 aircraft order. There were rumors last few months that US is trying to fill the gap with Super Hornet tech transfer and sales of Growler.

    I like idea of Growler as it retains majority of its combat capabilities and still offers huge EW capabilities, its sad that Russia atm does not field real EW aircraft in same category at all except Su-24MP and we do not rly know their status for sure. I wouldnt say that US is falling behind on EW, that is in minds of journalists, Russians are closing the gap, but i wouldnt jump into conclusion that easily to claim that US is falling behind.

    That was pentagon who said that.  As well, the Su-34 has been spotted with Electronic warfare systems so it is available.  Many Indians that liked the purchases are the same indians that are from abroad (also called NRI's) and are paid for.

    All those systems you mentioned, none of them are made in India.  As I said, it will also require US personnel on site in order to maintain such equipment.  I highly doubt Indians wanted that.

    Yes i am aware they werent built in India, i tried to point out that its not new practice for India. They are however trying to get as much as they can under "build in India" policy.

    Pentagon and "generals" always say that so they get more money from Senate, they did like that always, at least since WW2. There were always certain figures in Defence Department that would cry how US weapons are useless aganist USSR/Russia/China, its just their way to get more money for DARPA and military industry in general.

    Its not same if you see SU35/SU34 with jamming pods and dedicated EW platform. Sure those are more than welcome however "real" EW platfom should emerge on SU34 base.

    Well Indians always needed foreign help in maintenance especially their navy and air force.

    And yet they keep talking about made in India since Modi got it.  Yet he demands more tech transfer from Russia but none from US.  Hmmm, sounds a little odd to me.

    Now, imagine those contractors coming from Pakistan and working on India's jets, and then have to go back to Pakistan to work on Pakistan jets.  I wonder how India is going to take that?  As you should be aware by now, India and Pakistan hate each other.  As well, there was a spat from Indians when Russia was ready to sell helicopters and planes to Pakistan.  So how come Russia cannot then sell to both sides if US can?  And what Pakistan wanted was different than what India had or wanted.  What India was gonna get from US is very similar.

    There is dedicated EW systems for Su-34: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Fullback.html

    SAP-518 and SAP-14

    The only purchases that made any sense for India was the Globemasters I believe they are.  Even the P-8 was considered obsolete by US standards and they mocked it.  The tavor sale was a joke and I have seen my fair share of those guns when I was in India.  Then again, I saw so many different types of rifles used by the Indian soldiers/security when I was there, I only imagined the costs on logistics.

    India is a nation of heavy corruption.  We had to bribe the soldiers just to let us to our hotel for christ sakes.

    Well aware of Indo-Pakistani relations and conflicts, unlike some countries Serbia offers very rich education Smile

    India did request tech transfer when they were offered F35 for an examle, but as it was denied they turned to EF2000 and Rafale. They also wanted tech transfer for Javelin, which was denied and then they opted for Spike, which US seems to didnt like. Well US is "big player", noone is questioning their moves, on other hand India expects somewhat of "friendly obedience" from Russia, as they know they are major buyer of Russian equipment while US has so many other more important customers like Turkey, Egypt, Japan, Taiwan, Israel...

    Yes, i am aware of pods developed for SU27 family however just attaching them to SU30/SU34 doesnt make it dedicated EW platform. Similar pods can be mounted on almost any fighter, what Russians need is SU34 built with main role of EW with secondary SEAD/Air Defence. With multiple integral pods and hardware on second seat that does data fusion on ELINT and allows you to share obtained enemy radar/radio/jammers positions and data, that allows you to analyse signals recieved and similar.

    And many of these systems can pick such info up, hence the greatness of the modifiable of the Sukhoi line of aircrafts.  Issue is with buying US is all the amount of bs strings attached to it.  And yet, no tech transfer but India buys Stinger missiles.  US has a big history of insulting and threatening India, yet India is a slave to US and UK.  Many Indians admit it due to their politicians.  This was brought forward to me by many Indians.  My wife watches and reads Indian news since she is Indian and it is even in their debates about how bad corruption is.  Let me just say, these deals happen because of money.  And there is a reason why Russian jets and equipment is not getting much love for India.  They try to claim it was due to spare parts but we all know that was BS.  It really comes down to the fact that people in power is being paid for by US and UK.  Many influential people from India currently sit in Parliament in UK as an example.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/different-folks-why-india-and-us-cant-be-close-allies/ri13656

    This is a good read regarding how US treated India and still does.  Yet it is quick to procure from US.  

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:49 am

    sepheronx wrote: And many of these systems can pick such info up, hence the greatness of the modifiable of the Sukhoi line of aircrafts.  Issue is with buying US is all the amount of bs strings attached to it.  And yet, no tech transfer but India buys Stinger missiles.  US has a big history of insulting and threatening India, yet India is a slave to US and UK.  Many Indians admit it due to their politicians.  This was brought forward to me by many Indians.  My wife watches and reads Indian news since she is Indian and it is even in their debates about how bad corruption is.  Let me just say, these deals happen because of money.  And there is a reason why Russian jets and equipment is not getting much love for India.  They try to claim it was due to spare parts but we all know that was BS.  It really comes down to the fact that people in power is being paid for by US and UK.  Many influential people from India currently sit in Parliament in UK as an example.

    Well that Stinger order was quite small, i am not sure what are they planning to use them with, probably with Apache, which sort of makes sense. And orders for Apache is quite small to justify "build in India". Well yeah corruption exists almost everywhere, Russia, India, Serbia, Greece, Iraq, North Korea, China.... even US however they legalised their corruption by calling it "elections funding" and "corporate aid".

    India was always trying to reduce reliance on any side when its about weapons, so i sort of understand them on some purchases, its their country after all and i understand their wish not to be way too dependent on anyone.

    Well certain aspects of Indian military and security forces in general are horribly outdated, like their border guard service still using Sterling as main SMG, as procurement of Beretta Beretta MX4 from few years ago was frozen due to corruption scandal.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:00 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote: And many of these systems can pick such info up, hence the greatness of the modifiable of the Sukhoi line of aircrafts.  Issue is with buying US is all the amount of bs strings attached to it.  And yet, no tech transfer but India buys Stinger missiles.  US has a big history of insulting and threatening India, yet India is a slave to US and UK.  Many Indians admit it due to their politicians.  This was brought forward to me by many Indians.  My wife watches and reads Indian news since she is Indian and it is even in their debates about how bad corruption is.  Let me just say, these deals happen because of money.  And there is a reason why Russian jets and equipment is not getting much love for India.  They try to claim it was due to spare parts but we all know that was BS.  It really comes down to the fact that people in power is being paid for by US and UK.  Many influential people from India currently sit in Parliament in UK as an example.

    Well that Stinger order was quite small, i am not sure what are they planning to use them with, probably with Apache, which sort of makes sense. And orders for Apache is quite small to justify "build in India". Well yeah corruption exists almost everywhere, Russia, India, Serbia, Greece, Iraq, North Korea, China.... even US however they legalised their corruption by calling it "elections funding" and "corporate aid".

    India was always trying to reduce reliance on any side when its about weapons, so i sort of understand them on some purchases, its their country after all and i understand their wish not to be way too dependent on anyone.

    Well certain aspects of Indian military and security forces in general are horribly outdated, like their border guard service still using Sterling as main SMG, as procurement of Beretta Beretta MX4 from few years ago was frozen due to corruption scandal.

    I don't blame them for diversifying exactly.  I blame them when that leads to absolute head scratching decisions which impact the capabilities of the military, ie: Mi-26 vs Chinook or Tavor vs Anything else, or designing an IFV with a nation that doesn't have nearly as much experience in it.  Some things made sense, but some really did not.  And now considering F-16's when their direct enemy gets them as handouts from US and also services it for them as well, is just absolute pure corruption and a disinterest for their own security.  I saw in the military in India: INSAS, AKM, Tavor and even colts.  It was sad really.  I mean, even talk about potentially buying Tatra's vs thier own Tata trucks is a disgrace for India.  Even if India wanted to purchase Kamaz it would be a disgrace for India and their own industries.

    Lets just say, the Make in India campaign isn't what it is cracking out to be.  I will ask more in the future from my brother in law who works in the airforce.  But my general understanding is, corruption runs deep in the head of the government and military.  And Modi may not be, but if all his ministers are, well, good luck getting rid of them.  All other countries are not nearly as bad.  And India isn't nearly as bad as lets say Pakistan.  But it is still bad.

    I mean, if they decided to lets say buy a new wheeled APC, then buying from lets say Europe or US under a make in India, then something from Canada like the LAV-3 isn't a bad idea at all. Or if they needed lets say certain technologies, fine. But these decisions are just absolutely pathetic.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:08 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Well that Stinger order was quite small, i am not sure what are they planning to use them with, probably with Apache, which sort of makes sense. And orders for Apache is quite small to justify "build in India". Well yeah corruption exists almost everywhere, Russia, India, Serbia, Greece, Iraq, North Korea, China.... even US however they legalised their corruption by calling it "elections funding" and "corporate aid".

    India was always trying to reduce reliance on any side when its about weapons, so i sort of understand them on some purchases, its their country after all and i understand their wish not to be way too dependent on anyone.

    Well certain aspects of Indian military and security forces in general are horribly outdated, like their border guard service still using Sterling as main SMG, as procurement of Beretta Beretta MX4 from few years ago was frozen due to corruption scandal.

    Yes, corruption exists everywhere but that does not mean that they have to keep it that way. The point is the corruption in indian military procurement and import corruption is beyond Serdyukov level, next level would be yelzin.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  max steel on Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:39 am

    MALD-J EW pod can do the job too.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:24 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Well that Stinger order was quite small, i am not sure what are they planning to use them with, probably with Apache, which sort of makes sense. And orders for Apache is quite small to justify "build in India". Well yeah corruption exists almost everywhere, Russia, India, Serbia, Greece, Iraq, North Korea, China.... even US however they legalised their corruption by calling it "elections funding" and "corporate aid".

    India was always trying to reduce reliance on any side when its about weapons, so i sort of understand them on some purchases, its their country after all and i understand their wish not to be way too dependent on anyone.

    Well certain aspects of Indian military and security forces in general are horribly outdated, like their border guard service still using Sterling as main SMG, as procurement of Beretta Beretta MX4 from few years ago was frozen due to corruption scandal.

    Yes, corruption exists everywhere but that does not mean that they have to keep it that way. The point is the corruption in indian military procurement and import corruption is beyond Serdyukov level, next level would be yelzin.

    Agreed, however corruption will never cease to exist, as much as i hate it.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:26 pm

    "Manufactured by Ashok Leyland Defense Systems, especially for the Indian Army, Ambulance 4×4 is now on display at the ongoing 2016 DefExpo in Goa. Ashok Leyland announced at the DefExpo that the Indian Army has ordered 825 units of these Ambulances.

    Ashok Leyland Ambulance 4×4 is powered by the H6 IL engine which is capable of generating max power of 167 hp. It is mated to a manual transmission with a two-speed transfer case. It has a top speed of 90 kmph.

    Ashok Leyland Ambulance 4×4 has a kerb weight of 7,210 kg and a payload capacity of 1,000 kg. Seating capacity is at 6, including two berths for patients. Driver and co-driver in the front partition, doctor and nurse in the cabin with upper and lower berth for patients. There are special provisions inside the cabin to accommodate medical equipment, medicines, etc.

    With a ground clearance of 250 mm, the Ashok Leyland Ambulance 4×4 is capable of traversing over the worst of surfaces. 10×20 section highway cum sand tyres offer good traction.
    Key features include – optional 4 stretchers, HVAC for patient cabin, double walled insulated body, wash basin with water tank, oxygen delivery system for two patients with storge cabinet for two oxygen cylinders, inverter with battery backup, 4 auxilliary power supply ports, high intensity spotlight, insulated water tank, and refrigerator."








    Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/indian-army-has-ordered-825-ashok-leyland-ambulance-4x4.html

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    ‘Dhanush-155’, developed by GCF Jabalpur, to be inducted in Indian Army next month

    Post  Pinto on Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:36 am

    Longest surface-to-surface firing weapon ‘Dhanush – 155’ also called as Desi Bofors is likely to be inducted in the Indian Army by next month. Dhanush will be the first indigenous developed gun to be the part of Indian armed force after 32 years of Swedish Bofors gun that was inducted in 1984.

    The 155mm/45-calibre Dhanush gun was indigenously developed by Gun Carriage Factory, Jabalpur in coordination with Weapons Development and Execution Team (W-DET), New Delhi that is the main user of Bofors. Union Defence Minister, Manohar Parrikar, in a recently held programme, has stated that the Desi Bofors ‘Dhanush’ gun will be inducted from Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) and handed over to the Indian Army by next month to strengthen its artillery. Lieutenant General Ravi Thodge, Master General of Ordnance already inspected the preparations for production of Dhanush in GCF last month, while Chairman of OFB, Kolkata, A Prabhakaran will be arriving to visit GCF, on April 20 to take stock of the preparations for starting production of Dhanush.

    “Dhanush-155 gun already accomplished comprehensive firing tests and satisfied the competent authorities. We are optimistic about out the induction of the indigenous gun by Ministry of Defence in the Indian Army, but any official notification is yet to be received in this regard,” said Sanjeev Shrivastava, Spokesman and Joint General Manager, GCF, Jabalpur.

    While talking to ‘The Hitavada’, Shrivastava informed that the GCF is all set to start production of Dhanush with the green signal from higher authorities.

    The gun was developed at the end of 2012, thereafter, it passed several clearances and firing tests in different torrential and extreme climatic conditions in Pokhran and Balasore firing ranges. The maiden indigenously developed towed artillery gun has longest strike range of around 38-40 kilometres.

    http://thehitavada.com/Encyc/2016/4/19/%E2%80%98Dhanush-155-,-developed-by-GCF-Jabalpur,-to-be-inducted-in-Indian-Army-next-month.aspx

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    ‘Dhanush-155’, developed by GCF Jabalpur, to be inducted in Indian Army next month

    Post  Pinto on Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:37 am

    Longest surface-to-surface firing weapon ‘Dhanush – 155’ also called as Desi Bofors is likely to be inducted in the Indian Army by next month. Dhanush will be the first indigenous developed gun to be the part of Indian armed force after 32 years of Swedish Bofors gun that was inducted in 1984.

    The 155mm/45-calibre Dhanush gun was indigenously developed by Gun Carriage Factory, Jabalpur in coordination with Weapons Development and Execution Team (W-DET), New Delhi that is the main user of Bofors. Union Defence Minister, Manohar Parrikar, in a recently held programme, has stated that the Desi Bofors ‘Dhanush’ gun will be inducted from Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) and handed over to the Indian Army by next month to strengthen its artillery. Lieutenant General Ravi Thodge, Master General of Ordnance already inspected the preparations for production of Dhanush in GCF last month, while Chairman of OFB, Kolkata, A Prabhakaran will be arriving to visit GCF, on April 20 to take stock of the preparations for starting production of Dhanush.

    “Dhanush-155 gun already accomplished comprehensive firing tests and satisfied the competent authorities. We are optimistic about out the induction of the indigenous gun by Ministry of Defence in the Indian Army, but any official notification is yet to be received in this regard,” said Sanjeev Shrivastava, Spokesman and Joint General Manager, GCF, Jabalpur.

    While talking to ‘The Hitavada’, Shrivastava informed that the GCF is all set to start production of Dhanush with the green signal from higher authorities.

    The gun was developed at the end of 2012, thereafter, it passed several clearances and firing tests in different torrential and extreme climatic conditions in Pokhran and Balasore firing ranges. The maiden indigenously developed towed artillery gun has longest strike range of around 38-40 kilometres.

    http://thehitavada.com/Encyc/2016/4/19/%E2%80%98Dhanush-155-,-developed-by-GCF-Jabalpur,-to-be-inducted-in-Indian-Army-next-month.aspx

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:26 pm

    "India is likely to buy 145 M777 Howitzers for $750 million to equip its Mountain Strike Corps.

    The decision to buy ultra-light Howitzers produced by BAE Systems under the ‘Make In India’ program was discussed at a meeting on April 12 between Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar and his US counterpart Ashton Carter. The artillery gun programme to equip the Mountain Strike Corps is being finalised as India and the US are in agreement on its “make in India” component.

    The initial price notified by the US in 2012 was $694 million. The manufacturer has been seeking 10 per cent hike on the four-year-old price. The negotiation price is about $750 million.



    The tender will be for associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support. The gun will come with laser inertial artillery pointing systems (LINAPS), maintenance, personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, engineering and logistics support services. In India, the BAE Systems had tied up Mahindra as its business partner for its proposed in-country assembly, integration and test (AIT) facility for the M777 Howitzer."


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    Post  max steel on Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:44 pm

    India To Produce Precision-Guided Munitions Domestically

    For the first time a domestic company will produce precision-guided and laser bombs in India for the country's defense forces.

    Emerging private firm OIS Advanced Technology (OIS-AT) will partner with Sagem of France to manufacture the munitions, which India currently import from Israel, France, Russia and the United States for its fighters.

    "OIS-AT has teamed up with Sagem of France to establish manufacturing for precision-guided guidance kits to meet domestic requirements," said Sanjay Bhandari, chairman and managing director of OIS-AT. "Separately, we also have plans to establish manufacturing for advanced munitions to meet Indian Air Force (IAF) requirements."

    "We are pleased to collaborate with OIS-AT with our combat-proven, high-precision, AASM Hammer Guidance and Range Extension kit for aerial munitions for the Indian Air Force. With OIS-AT we have a partner with a core focus and appreciation of advanced technologies and innovation to advance our joint interests for the Indian Air Force," Sagem CEO Martin Sion said.

    Since "the Indian and foreign private sectors are signing up for the 'Make in India' drive in true earnest, the Ministry of Defense (MoD) should now repay this faith by placing orders in value and size that reinforce the belief of the investing parties," said Ankur Gupta, a defense analyst with Ernst and Young India, referring to the government's campaign to boost domestic production.

    For a decade, MoD has been asking Indian companies to establish joint ventures to manufacture precision-guided munitions (PGM) in India for use by the Indian defense forces. However no deals were signed, partly due to the capital investments necessary for such ventures.

    "With the evolving procurement environment, joint production of PGMs in India will be encouraged in the future," an MoD official said. "We aim to buy a variety of homemade PGMs costing around $2 billion in the next 10 years."

    In addition, India's defense research agency, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), is negotiating with Sagem for the joint development of the New General Guidance Munition (NGPGM), a 1000-kilogram-class bomb compatible with the Indian Air Force's Mirage-2000H/TH. But the proposal has made no headway.

    IAF welcomes joint development and production of PGMs in India as India cannot develop and produce everything on its own, an IAF official said.

    "The OIA-AT-Sagem collaboration will chart the course for the future," the IAF official added.

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Mon May 09, 2016 4:14 am

    "UKROBORONPROM enterprise SE “SpetsTehnoEksport” from Ukraine and Indian company “Reliance Defence Limited” signed the memorandum on joint participation in BMP-2 tracked armoured infantry fighting vehicle modernization for the Indian Army. Cooperation primarily relates to the manufacture and supply of components and systems for improving BMP mobility, modernization of sighting and fire control systems. Indian park of different BMP-2 versions consists of about 2000 vehicles. Most of them require modernization and combat characteristics improvement.

    “UKROBORONPROM is conquering world markets, having established itself as a reliable partner, qualitatively and timely fulfilling all contract terms. Enhancing cooperation with India will allow us moving to a new level, providing stable inflow of foreign currency. These funds will be used for production modernization and manufacture of modern military equipment for Ukrainian Army “, – said UKROBORONPROM Deputy Director General for Foreign Economic Activity Denis Gurak.

    “Reliance Defence Limited” took a view of the world’s largest transport aircraft An-124-100 “Russian” and AN-225 “Mriya,” short take-off and landing military transport aircraft An-70. They assessed the possibility of passenger aircraft An-158 and promising transport aircraft An-178 during demonstration flights.

    The documents signed are the result of the successful participation of UKROBORONPROM enterprises at arms and equipment expo "DefExpo-2016" and negotiations, initiated by SE “SpetsTehnoEksport.”

    The Sarath is the name of the Soviet-made BMP-2 tracked armoured infantry fighting vehicle manufactured under license in India.

    The Sarath is fitted with a two-man turret identical of the Russian-made BMP-2. It is armed with a 30 mm 2A42 dual-feed cannon, a 7.62 mm PKT coaxial machine gun and a roof-mounted AT-5 `Spandrel' ATGW launcher with a maximum range of 4,000 m. This missile is manufactured in India by BDL (Bharat Dynamics Limited).
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    India completes price negotiation for Israeli Spike ATGMs

    Post  Pinto on Fri May 27, 2016 8:49 pm

    India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) has completed price negotiations with Israel's Rafael Advanced Defence Systems for Spike anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) systems for the Indian Army for an estimated USD1 billion.

    Industry sources said on 26 May that the MoD's contract negotiation committee concluded consultations to acquire 275 launchers and 5,500 Spike missiles in completed and kit form along with an undisclosed number of simulators.

    The deal also includes a technology transfer to India's state-owned Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) to build another 1,500 systems and around 30,000 additional missiles.

    The contract for the manportable, fire-and-forget ATGMs featuring third-generation active/passive guidance systems, and a top-attack capability is likely to be confirmed before or during the visit of Israeli president Reuven Rivlin to India later this year, official sources said.

    Deliveries are expected to be completed 48-60 months thereafter, while BDL will continue to licence-build the Spike for the next 20-25 years.

    India's Kalyani Strategic Systems, which signed a joint venture with Rafael in February 2015, will also be involved in the Spike ATGM contract, supplying components and subassemblies from a newly erected facility in Hyderabad.

    In 2009 the MoD approved the acquisition of 1,914 ATGM launchers and 37,860 missiles, including training rounds and 107 simulators, through direct imports and licensed manufacture to equip the Indian Army's 359-odd infantry battalions.

    Rafael's Spike was the only ATGM to undergo user trials in 2010-11. Consequently over 50 of these guided missiles with a strike range of between 800 m and 4 km were tested and approved by the Indian Army.

    The MoD has since continually deferred the Spike procurement on the grounds that it would be a single-vendor purchase, which since 2002 has largely been discouraged under successive editions of the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP).

    However, pressure from the army, which operates licence-built Soviet-era wire-guided 9M113 Konkurs as well as French MILAN and MILAN 2T ATGMs, fast-tracked their procurement.

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    13,000 Army troops carry out massive exercise

    Post  Pinto on Sun May 29, 2016 12:22 pm

    The Indian Army launched a massive summer exercise with troops over the complete month of May in the riverine terrain of Punjab, involving over 13,000 troops and several components of artillery guns, tanks and infantry combat vehicles as a part of its efforts to project its battle supremacy on the Western Front, said a spokesperson of Vajra Corps Headquarters, Jalandhar.

    Under the aegis of Vajra Corps, all ranks of the Panther Division commenced collective training by honing up basic battle procedures and drills at tactical and operational levels. The troops built the momentum of training gradually with increased combat tempo involving rapid mobilisation and execution of battle plans in conjunction with the Air Force, said the spokesperson.

    A large number of innovations and modifications carried out by units and formations to enhance combat power were validated in the field. During the exercise, intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and communication systems were put to test in a network- centric battlefield environment supported by required operational logistics.

    “The exercise entered its culmination phase in May end and was witnessed by Western Army Commander Lt Gen KJ Singh. Beside interacting with soldiers and officers involved in the exercise, the Army Commander witnessed various battle maneuvers by infantry troops, mechanised infantry, tanks, artillery, special forces troops and surveillance detachments,” the spokesperson further added.

    The focus of the exercise was to validate operational and transformational effectiveness of various formations of Panther Division and achieving joint and seamless coordination among all the forces in the Indian Army in a NBC Warfare scenario so as to deliver the enemy a lethal punch with full might at a lightning speed, he further added.

    http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/cities/jalandhar/13-000-army-troops-carry-out-massive-exercise/243676.html

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    Re: Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News

    Post  Militarov on Tue May 31, 2016 2:52 am

    "Ministry of Defence of India and Israel’s Rafael Advanced Defense Systems finalized deal for for Spike anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) systems, reported by www.israeldefense.co.il.

    India will acquire 275 launchers and 5,500 Spike missiles in completed and kit form along with an undisclosed number of simulators. The deal also includes a technology transfer to India’s state-owned Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) to build another 1,500 systems and around 30,000 additional missiles. The contract is likely to be confirmed before or during the visit of Israeli president Reuven Rivlin to India later this year.

    Deliveries are expected to be completed 48-60 months thereafter, while BDL will continue to license-build the Spike for the next 20-25 years.

    In the early stages of the negotiations, India approved the acquisition of 1,914 ATGM launchers and 37,860 missiles. It was later published that they only want 321 launchers and 8356 missiles. The meaning of the new agreement is that India prefers to produce the systems and the missiles itself rather than to rely on direct procurement from Rafael."

    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/ministry-of-defence-of-india-and-israel-finalized-deal-for-spike-missiles.html

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue May 31, 2016 7:04 pm

    Militarov wrote:"Ministry of Defence of India  and Israel’s Rafael Advanced Defense Systems finalized deal for for Spike anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) systems, reported by www.israeldefense.co.il.

    India will acquire 275 launchers and 5,500 Spike missiles in completed and kit form along with an undisclosed number of simulators. The deal also includes a technology transfer to India’s state-owned Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) to build another 1,500 systems and around 30,000 additional missiles. The contract is likely to be confirmed before or during the visit of Israeli president Reuven Rivlin to India later this year.

    Deliveries are expected to be completed 48-60 months thereafter, while BDL will continue to license-build the Spike for the next 20-25 years.

    In the early stages of the negotiations, India approved the acquisition of 1,914 ATGM launchers and 37,860 missiles. It was later published that they only want 321 launchers and 8356 missiles. The meaning of the new agreement is that India prefers to produce the systems and the missiles itself rather than to rely on direct procurement from Rafael."

    Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/ministry-of-defence-of-india-and-israel-finalized-deal-for-spike-missiles.html

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