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    VDV to get UAVs, Land on North Pole

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:13 pm

    Chapter VDV proposed to replace the air defense "kukuruznikami" in Abkhazia and South Ossetia
    29.07.2009

    The commander of airborne troops of Russia, Vladimir Shamanov said today that a small aircraft is undervalued. This, in his view, in particular, apply to the aircraft AN-2 and AN-3. " "What prevents us to establish a detachment of these aircraft in the South-Ossetian and Abkhazian lines in the absence of a good air defense system?" - Said Shamanov. His words led RIA Novosti.

    In addition, Lieutenant-General Shamanov said that because small and medium-height are not available for destruction of aircraft, this niche could take unmanned aerial vehicles (BPLA). "In creating the new image of the armed forces rather than individual intelligence companies in the VDV divisions will be deployed fully fledged intelligence battalions, in which will be used BPLA", - the head of airborne troops.

    According to him, the first of these bespilotniki will be used for the coordination and guidance to the target. "And within two or three years we plan to develop, establish and implement a shock BPLA to inflict blows on the enemy at a depth of 10-25 km without the participation of troops - said Shamanov.

    Also, the general explained that in April 2010, Russian paratroopers are planning to land on the North Pole. This event will be held in conjunction with the 60 anniversary of the first desantirovaniya on the pole.

    Vladimir Shamanov, was appointed commander of the VDV in late May 2009. After the appointment, he announced that the reform of the army compound airborne troops will be not only preserved but also strengthened. In particular, there will be new connections: in Moscow and Leningrad military districts, new landing-assault brigade.
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    Re: UAVs in the VDV

    Post  Turk1 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:54 am

    What they need are UAVs.
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    Re: UAVs in the VDV

    Post  Turk1 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:55 am

    Oh, so they are getting UAVs.
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    Re: UAVs in the VDV

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:02 pm

    Turk1 wrote:What they need are UAVs.

    If you keep reading the topic you will find that is what they are getting.
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    Re: UAVs in the VDV

    Post  Vladislav on Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:34 am

    Turk1 wrote:Oh, so they are getting UAVs.

    Can you read it?
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    Re: UAVs in the VDV

    Post  crod on Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:10 am

    I must say I'm perlexed that Russia needs to buy UAVs from Israel...I thought they would have their own ones that would shit all over the latters? soory to bring off topic slighlty...
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:49 pm

    crod wrote:I must say I'm perlexed that Russia needs to buy UAVs from Israel...I thought they would have their own ones that would shit all over the latters? soory to bring off topic slighlty...

    We have had a hard time getting automatic landing systems installed, so we will copy Israel's proven tactic.
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    UAVs in the VDV

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:41 am

    UAVs for the company commander

    The operation forced Georgia to peace, I 7-landing-assault division, acted, composed of groups of Lieutenant-General Vladimir Shamanov. Brave design future VDV commander, attacked the Georgian infantry brigade a battalion - not waiting until Abkhazia will meet all of its group, so to discourage the Georgians that they had fled, leaving behind equipment and weapons.

    - Only PTUR "Storm" made their base more than a thousand, - recalls the division commander, Colonel Vladimir Kochetkov, comparing the campaign to Senaki and Poti with the teachings.

    However, one day, it is recognized Kochetkov, where the headquarters of the group focused on the reflection of a tank attack, the Georgians, it was not until blitskrigovskih sentiment: it is when and where they hit and how much they will be left guessing. How to be useful, I thought then komdiv, small unmanned aircraft, intelligence, which he saw in the teachings of Ryazan and Pskov. And while shedshaya of Kutaisi armored convoy turned back to "manual" bespilotnike he remembered more than once. Especially after the Georgia also praised the work of another of our Unmanned Systems - available in four truckloads of "Story-DD, huge bespilotnik which gave a bad image, but was himself an easy target. Carried in a backpack aircraft passed remarkably clear video and practically did not differ from birds. Therefore, the intention of the Commander of Airborne Troops Lieutenant General Shamanov provide troops is such unmanned systems, Kochetkov more than understandable.

    By the way, to promote the adoption of such a mini-complexes of the general going back to previous posts, but were interrupted by war. But at a recent meeting with the producer of unmanned systems Shamanov returned to the theme of small bespilotya.

    - Why not develop Eleron? - To reproach, he asked the Chief of Intelligence VDV and promised to look at the possibilities of such systems, to supply the best of them to the troops.

    The war with Georgia has shown the urgent need of troops in the aerial survey

    Interest Shamanov to portable systems due to its aerial surveillance of the three campaigns in the Caucasus. For the first time, saw the start of the hand bespilotniki in television since the first U.S. war with Iraq (1991), he remembered them, commanding the spring of 1995 the first step on the Vedeno and Shatoi group 7 th landing division. Acting as a tactical helicopter landings, his troops occupied the dominant height of the militia-controlled villages, each time risking falling into the environment. And the group, Major Sergei Harchuka awaiting reinforcements had to drop one to three days, surrounded by an unequal battle.

    - And we should have to pre-detect militants bespilotniki, laid their Grad another approach. - Says the general.

    After five years without such complexes was difficult to have to submit all the leading army of peace. We are also in the second war in the Caucasus had no means of unmanned. At the same time fighting again showed how much they need the troops. During the liquidation to escape from Grozny gangs, for example, most of rushing into the mountains, the bandits were destroyed in the localities where those taking defense stood up to the darkness that night to begin a breakthrough to the next village.

    - And with unmanned funds beat their "hurricane" and the artillery in a clean field, during their night transitions, - explains Shamanov.

    That's the first time Kochetkov pity about the lack of such complexes, commanding in Chechnya based Engenoem Regiment under the tactical group - which units pelengovali EW talks fighters, and their guidance has worked artillery. Because the effectiveness of strikes on the area was low, and if there are rapidly launched "manual" bespilotnikov beaten to specific targets. But even more, said Kochetkov, such facilities were needed in Georgia. In fact, moving Inguri best battalion of his division was, in fact, to the touch, with a headquarters group, very little information about the enemy. Therefore, small, portable systems Unmanned reconnaissance, in the opinion of the officer should be battalions, or even the Working Capital and the means. In any case, the VDV - army, which in all past wars played a major role and strike forces, and advanced groups. But requirements for these unmanned systems, adds komdiv not sformuliruesh better than did the Airborne Troops commander, Lieutenant-General Shamanov. They must work day and night, to issue to control the video zone of clear intelligence in real time to determine the coordinates of targets, be simple to use, quickly applied, all-weather, low and unreliable.

    The same "Eleron"

    Complex remote monitoring, like the commander of the VDV and the commander of 7 th Division, on its own initiative developed by Kazan "Eniks" and called "Eleron-3." In its composition - two small bespilotnika with movable wings, control panel and the antenna. In the folded complex is moved in two backpacks weighing 6-7 kg each. Preparation for work, including installation of an antenna, assemble and launch a single aircraft with a rubber tow, takes 10-15 minutes. The radius of action set in the video - up to 15 kilometers. The optimal altitude, providing good video quality - 150-200 meters above the ground. Maximum height - 3000 meters above sea level, to allow the use of a set in the mountains. Equipped with electric bespilotnik silently and can fly up to 1.5 hours in the air. In doing so it can fly and take on a particular route, and managed to land. If bespilotnikom for some reason suddenly lost connection, it returns to the launch area. Landing aircraft shall parachute method.

    Commander 98 th Airborne Division, Major-General Alexander Lenz:

    "Unmanned systems are widely used today by all major armies. In addition to Russian. Therefore, to ensure parts and units - especially the VDV and SCWO - the means I took to the priorities of the technical equipment of our armed forces. At the same time fully share the view of the commander of the VDV, that emphasis should be placed on the vehicles short. Because, firstly, the competitive systems of this class, domestic producers can provide the army more quickly than larger systems, and, secondly, it is a mini-bespilotniki the troops you have. VDV units, based on experience three wars in the Caucasus, often have to fight in the mountains and operate within the tactical helicopter landings. A big, placed on several machines drone complex not drag into the mountains, and do not take the helicopter. therefore carried a set of remote monitoring "Eleron-3", allowing general commander to look at the 15 km ahead, would be the best means of intelligence paratroops units. To get started, could equip them with each battalion, and ideally - and every company. "

    In 2006, this set of remote monitoring was shown to the commander of the VDV (now Deputy Minister of Defense), General-Colonel Alexander Kolmakova. "Ideally - to equip them imposed battalion reconnaissance platoon staff," - he then shared his plans with the "Red Star" (of 24.03.2007). Then "Eleron-3 at the invitation of Kolmakova was run at the regimental tactical exercises on the ground under the Pskov. And a month earlier in our editorial staff held a round table with participation Kolmakova, Shamanov and Director - General Designer of Eniks "Valeria Pobezhimova. At that meeting, former and current commanders of the VDV were developer "Ailerons" wishes, initiating the development of the complex in favor of the application of military troops. As a result bespilotniki were equipped with infrared cameras, and remote control - two monitors. At one - the image area with the coordinates of space exploration, which focuses the camera on the second - digital map of areas where the fat dot shows the location of the aircraft. So complex was the all-weather and round-the-clock, and to monitor this option is added as the determination of goals.

    Only the troops because it did not receive.

    Why it is not in the army?

    Because Kolmakova replaced as commander of the VDV, Lieutenant-General Valery Evtuhovich did not give the value of that part of the equipment of troops, said Deputy Director of the Research Institute Parashyutostroeniya Yuriy Nazarenko, head of former military and scientific committee VDV.

    - Kolmakov - Nazarenko said - to personally lead the laying of the new frost on the equipment for troops fighting vehicles to determine whether it will come the troops. And after his departure when determining the purchase of equipment and weapons, and the job of research and development activities were not always have the interests of readiness. As a result of the closure of a number of VDV no more than human-controlled parachute D-12, means desantirovaniya to discounted goods and technology to the point with given coordinates and unmanned systems, with which the war in Georgia would not have to "blindly".

    But now, when the commander was a captain with the experience of combat is hardly someone to compare and which is given carte blanche to the large-scale arming VDV new equipment, troops, Nazarenko I am sure, will have, at last, all necessary for the war means, including unmanned apparatus. Which, by the way, but we are certain delicacies, and armed forces of developed countries without them are no longer present.

    Chief of Staff of the 20 th Army general CVM Hero of Russia, Colonel Michael Teplinskii:

    "The need for the armed units of general-purpose unmanned systems, and in the first place - small hand-held models that unesesh in a backpack during the foot of mountain roads, you can not even say - it's obvious. Such systems should be simple to use, reliable, able to show coordinates of targets and in no way dependent on the U.S. navigation system. these are particularly important because, in Chechnya, GPS-navigators in some moments started lying to 4-5 kilometers. But for the effective use of bespilotnikov, I believe, should not distribute them to the unit and enter into states Motorized Brigade and the Airborne Troops Regiment platoon equipped with such systems, but during the fighting to give "unmanned" specialists with their equipment and fighting battalions rotam. In motorized brigade, I think, must be at least 8 of these complexes is like the commander of the VDV "Eleron." To the fighting in isolation from the main force battalion attached to at least two bespilotnika: one in the battle would work on Combat, the second - helped adjust fire mortar battery motorized infantry battalion. "

    Pentagon, for example, in the words of an expert on unmanned systems, the author of a specialized web site UAV.RU Dennis Fedutinova over the past 10 years, acquired more than 3000 portable unmanned aerial vehicle "Raven" and 467 unmanned systems, "Dragon Eye" with three drones each . In summer 2008, signed on 6 million contract for the supply of one launched from their hands bespilotnika - all-weather "PUMA AE". And in the event of successful exploitation of this lot, the amount of the contract will be increased to 200 million dollars.

    - We are against this background was not just pale, but nothing - notes determined to change the situation VDV commander Lieutenant-General Shamanov.

    Our import and analogues

    By the way, if you talk about the possibilities of small-sized portable unmanned systems, "Eleron-3" on a number of parameters, even surpasses the overseas models: flies, for example, for half an hour longer than the two "Americans" and has a radius of 15 km, while the "Dragon Eye" and "Raven" are only 10 kilometers away. However, the U.S. Army, deep exploration, which are strategic unmanned systems, and access to unified information network open, even commanding the mouth, long range and do not need. For us extra 5 km may be decisive.

    But that rise to 5000 meters, "Raven" substantially outweighed "Eleron on elevation, perhaps, is hardly practical. After all, the working height of the flight of such vehicles - 150-200 meters, and the possibility of applying them to the highlands in doubt: with the help of climbing climbing gear for 4 thousand meters, barely unesesh behind the backs of drone complex.

    From the same sets of Russian short-range unmanned supervisory direction in the military-scientific Committee of the Army Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Shkurat provides "Pear" and "Dragonfly." However, they seem to hardly compete with "Ailerons". First, because they are significantly smaller radius of action: "Pear" - 5-7 km, "Dragonfly" - 10 km. In the second place, with a stabilized video camera, "Eleron" gives a clearer video. And, thirdly, they fly, based on U.S. navigation system GPS, which, when necessary, can be closed to "outsiders", as in Georgia and Chechnya, where GPS-navigators lying a few kilometers. "Eleron" is able to fly both the GPS and GLONASS (when deployed), and regardless of the satellite - based on the key beacon. The accuracy of positioning, however, the truth may be in error or two hundred meters. But the tears of the fallen at the distance of the shells and mines are still in the frame, and thus adjust the artillery would be a matter of two to three minutes. In short, taking into account all the above, we concluded that a set of Kazan engineers remote monitoring "Eleron-3" - has the best short-range drone to battalions and companies.


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:42 am

    - There are other interesting developments - said designer "Ailerons" Valery Pobezhimov, adding that if the complex is indeed the most suited to the needs of troops in the "blame" the First Deputy Defense Minister Colonel General Kolmakov and VDV commander, Lieutenant-General Shamanov, granted him three years ago, "an oral technical task.

    Too bad these are just, the army of that until nothing is won. But "Eleron" appreciated receiving the FSB, the Ministry of Emergencies, Ministry of Internal Affairs, FGU "Avialesohrana", "Gazprom" and the Research Institute "The Arctic and Antarctic." While these users solve with its help are different from military tasks, their views seemed to us interesting.

    An efficient, simple and reliable

    - Using "Ailerons" allows you to quietly look at any yard. - Says Chief Aviation Tatarstan Ministry of Internal Affairs lieutenant Florida Movletkulov, noting that the noise flying bespilotnik little noticeable from the ground.

    In addition to monitoring the criminal area, the Ministry of Internal Affairs uses it to monitor traffic conditions, monitoring of mass action and other spetszadach. This "best practices" police did not leave indifferent of their colleagues from the Interior troops, and soon set to appear in a unit deployed in the Tatarstan Ministry of Internal Affairs special purpose explosives.

    Well, MUP, Kabardino-Balkaria, in the words of the Chief of the exploitation of unmanned aerial vehicles MIA CBD Lieutenant Colonel Levan Gensutova, tracked by "Ailerons" movement in the mountains of illegal armed groups.

    Deputy Commander 76 th landing-assault division, the Hero of Russia, Colonel Andrew Krasov:

    "During the operation forced Georgia to peace, I commanded a battalion tactical groups of 76-th dshd. Blocking settlements between Gori and Tshinvalom, we as a team to ensure the nomination of the army, and then disarmed the 1 st infantry brigade of the enemy. In terms of teaching field, I think we were ready for this war. But have won with a minimum loss (2 dead) is still primarily due to stampede the enemy. Because of Tskhinvali to Gori attacked, one might say, blindly, without any information on the enemy, and applying only to direct artillery fire, and the half - for the visually apparent or perceived goals. climax as the tension began last night. Taken on the night of circular defense under Megvrikisi closer to midnight, heard a noise of reach of the green tank engines. Mobile -- link did not work - based group has asked to send aircraft intelligence. it arrives or not, I do not know, but I am still confident that if it were not for Saakashvili's decision to capitulate, that night we would have to reflect the Georgian tank attack. And if the battalion would be able to work at least one night, an unmanned facility, we could determine where and by what they hit. Therefore, to begin the elimination of the unmanned backlog, I believe it is necessary to mass battalions small arms short range. It is a battalion of de facto became the main tactic unit of modern warfare. "

    - We were the first of the regional Ministry of Internal Affairs of Southern federal district began using unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, choosing the best set of Russian remote sensing "Eleron-3", - says Lieutenant Gensutov, noting the effectiveness, ease of use and reliability of the Kazan apparatus.

    By the way, high-altitude "Ailerons" (3000 meters) Kabardian police believe the best, because the above - solid ice.

    But the exploitation of the complex central air-rescue squad EMERCOM significantly facilitated the work of rescuers.

    - "Eleron" allows you to quickly and effectively monitor the area of emergency and search for missing people. - Says Head of the operation of remotely piloted aircraft detachment Michael Sisoyev, drawing attention that the BPLA easy to use and reliable, and his video camera with a 10-fold zoom allows you to consider even a dial on the clock hand.

    As a result of detachment will soon have built already for MOE "Ailerons" but the idea is to buy the complex, according to team chief Alexander Romanov, belongs to the head of the Ministry of Emergencies Sergei Shoigu.

    But drifting polar station SP-35 "" Eleron ", according to lead engineer of the Research Institute" The Arctic and Antarctic "Anatoly Klein, helped in an hour to assess the condition of ice floes on which their station. At the same time to perform such inspection on the snowmobile or on skis, leaving the whole day. As a result, well spent at the North Pole set purchased for the drifting station "SP-36."

    The result is the use of "Ailerons" in the Caucasus FSB units was a further improvement in military and intelligence options.

    Will Field Competition

    However, in addition to "Ailerons", "Pears" and "Dragonflies", domestic producers in the initiative designed several sets of short-range drones, including the miniature model with a range of several kilometers, and mnogokilogrammovye launched using catapults and flying at 40 -- 50 km model. Therefore, in order to determine which of them might find the airborne troops, the Commander of Airborne Troops, Lieutenant-General Shamanov decided to hold one of the polygon field competition of unmanned systems short.

    - Invite him to anyone and will carefully study the possibility of each model - Shamanov said, adding that the intention is not to watch movies, but the real work of unmanned systems.

    At the same time been run on the teachings of "Kavkaz-2009" a set of remote monitoring "Eleron-3", according to Shamanov, may come in the armament of the VDV in 2010.

    - The question we are now working, - said the commander of the VDV, adding that in the interests of military use complex is planned to improve on a number of parameters, which during the exercises Kavkaz-2009 "said Chief of General Staff.

    However, the first four bespilotnika VDV through sponsorship funds (donated by the Republic of Karelia), according to Shamanov, should get in this year.

    In short, it seems, is the first paratroopers to overcome our unmanned behind the world's leading armies.

    - Has taught Georgia - summarizes one of the Combat 7 th Division, Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vishnivetsky, remembering, as in the arrangement of mechanized infantry brigade of the enemy found a remarkably precise plan of the field camp, where, after the flight of Georgian bespilotnikov, up to a meter location was marked every battle Machines landing.

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    Re: UAVs in the VDV

    Post  Vladimir79 on Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:44 am

    So it looks like Shamanov replaced his predessesor b/c he didn't get onboard with the UAV idea. It becomes clear now.
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    Re: UAVs in the VDV

    Post  GarryB on Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:30 am

    The Russians have an enormous number of UAVs, but most are one off prototypes, or they have key failings like a lack of speed or range or payload or the cameras are not properly stabilised or they can't fly high enough or if they can fly high enough their cameras aren't powerful enough to see things on the ground or they are too noisy or the controls are too complicated for an average soldier to use, or they are too heavy or the datalink range is too short or it can be intercepted or jammed etc etc etc.

    The Armed forces have not given out details of the features they want because they have no experience with them and don't know for sure exactly what they want.

    What they are doing is buy some off the shelf existing mature systems from Israel (it could just as easily been South Africa or many other sources) and they are going to learn about their use and what they want and what they don't want. Then they will set a requirements list and then Russian UAV designers can start meeting or exceeding those requirements.
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    Post  medo on Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:57 am

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/13454/

    VDV recce units also receive small portable UAVs ZALA 421-08.
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    VDV recce units also receive small portable UAVs ZALA 421-08.

    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:46 am

    Very interesting website for ZALA UAVs including a medium range model called ZALA 421-20:

    A modification of the ZALA 421-20 also includes two gliding payloads with built in autopilots that are capable of gliding up to 25km when released at 3000 meters and together carry over 30kg of supplies. ZALA 421-20 has been launched with recently modified wing design with inbuilt fuel tanks to increase the endurance of the system to 6-8 hours. With future developments focused on increasing payload/fuel capacity and modifying the engine to increase endurance. ZALA 421-20 design ensured that the system is transportable by making 6 meter wings constructible and is the latest UAV to be used with container based GCS modification.
    Source: http://zala.aero/en/news/1280150121.htm

    Sounds interesting for delivering supplies to small units deep behind enemy lines or observing enemy movements from a hidden location. Released at night a small unpowered glider delivering food or water or ammo or equipment would be very interesting and very useful...

    Lots of interesting stuff there:

    http://zala.aero/en/

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:25 am

    Russian Paras Test Lightweight UAV

    MOSCOW, December 5 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's airborne forces (VDV) have started state acceptance trials of the new Iskatel (Searcher) lightweight unmanned aerial vehicle system, the system's makers said on Wednesday.

    "The VDV's 106th division has started testing the portable Iskatel UAV system made by the Popov Omsk Radio Factory," said Popov's Alexei Topekhin. "The tests will include trial flights and carriage tests to see if it is best carried in one rucksack or two, and trials of a para-drop container for its components," he added.

    The Iskatel system with its T-4 UAV is Russia's only short-range man-portable UAV system, he said.

    "Iskatel will be developed in one of two variants," he said. "Either it will be made smaller so it can be carried by just one man, or it will be made as a longer-endurance variant carried by two paratroopers," he said.

    Even with the second, longer-range T-4, Iskatel will be no heavier than 22 lbs (10 kg) he noted. The operator's guidance antenna will be carried in his rucksack, and not ground-mounted, he said.

    The Isatel system consists of a backpack-carried base station, tablet computer for controlling the UAV and downloading imagery from it, and two 1.3 kg T-4 UAVs which have an endurance of 40 minutes.

    The system gives optimal imagery from an altitude of 660 feet (200 meters) but can reach 13,200 feet (4,000 meters) above sea level if needed in mountainous terrain.

    The 24-inch (60 cm) wingspan T-4 is electrically-powered. The system, with two T-4 UAVs, has a provisional price of around 3 million rubles ($97,000).

    http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20121205/177933311.html

    Being electric, it should be quiet and it looks to be fairly small.

    Interesting new capability.


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    Post  George1 on Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:56 pm

    Russian airborne troops (VDV) to receive 20 short range tactical UAVs: Orlan-10, Eleron and Tikhon - by the year end.

    http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12150165@egNews


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