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    British Nuclear Submarine Service

    Post  Russian Patriot on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:49 pm

    The jewel of the Royal British navy, with a price tag of 10 billion pounds, is showing signs it maybe badly flawed, raising concerns about crew safety, performance and the defense of the nation.

    HMS Astute, the nuclear-powered submarine which is running 2 billion pounds over budget, has been confirmed by the Ministry of Defense (MoD) to have had flooding problems while undergoing sea trials. The Guardian newspaper has revealed long shopping list of other issues that could potentially impact on the deployment of this supposedly state of the art machine.

    The Astute is too slow. The vessel failed to reach its design speed because of a mismatch between the reactor and the turbine. The military is putting a brave face on the issue saying the vessel is capable of “providing outstanding capability for decades to come”. But for now, Astute cannot meet the basic requirements of the hunter-killer group of submarines.

    The navy has also confirmed the sub, not formally in service, was flooded and forced to surface, revealing its position, apparently the fault of a corroded metal cap on a cooling pipe.

    Monitors for the nuclear reactor on the sub have also come under scrutiny as switchboards have been incorrectly fitted. There are further concerns about inaccurate readings due to the wrong type of lead being fitted to certain power circuits. Although officials have dismissed some of those concerns saying tests showed some of the data was faulty but was not critical to the submarine's operation.

    However, military analysts are not so sanguine, “these problems are much more significant than the niggles and glitches expected to arise during the work up of a new class of nuclear-powered submarine. Particularly disturbing is the apparent mismatch between the nuclear reactor plant and the steam turbine sets, putting the submarine speed below par and making her susceptible in the anti-submarine warfare theatre,” John Large, an independent nuclear safety analyst told the Guardian.

    The submarine’s builder, BAE Systems, has described her as "the largest and most able attack submarine that the Royal Navy has operated, with a performance to rival any in the world,” however independent analysts have serious doubts about that claim.

    “The fact the cap failed is bad enough, but the most worrying thing is that there is no way of knowing whether the submarine has other pieces of equipment like this on board,” an unnamed source told the Guardian. “The quality assurance tests are there to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen, but it did. So what else has been installed that we don't know about? It is impossible to know. They fitted the wrong cap but it was still signed off.”

    Despite the setbacks the Ministry of Defense hopes that Astute “will be the most technologically advanced submarine ever to serve with the Royal Navy,” adding “It is normal for first of class trials to identify areas where modifications are required and these are then incorporated into later vessels of the class.”


    http://rt.com/news/britain-astute-submarine-flawed-920/
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    Re: British Nuclear Submarine Service

    Post  Sujoy on Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:02 pm

    Russian Patriot wrote:The jewel of the Royal British navy, with a price tag of 10 billion pounds, is showing signs it maybe badly flawed, raising concerns about crew safety, performance and the defense of the nation.

    There is an important reason behind this . Britain's nuclear submarines are based on the coast of Scotland . Now unlike us Indians the English are far sighted . Tomorrow if Scotland breaks away from the UK the English will have the solace that the Scots will drown with their submarines if they choose to invade England . respekt
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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:55 pm

    Best of luck to them in fixing the issues.


    But I must say, it is funny, when given some fanboys posts, you would think the Astute is 50 years ahead of anything Russian can make.
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    Post  Viktor on Mon May 04, 2015 11:55 pm

    Britain progressing as well ... thumbsup Very Happy

    Don’t tell Moscow: Five of Britain's six nuclear subs held up in the repair shed

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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:28 pm

    Britain to Order Four New Trident Submarines - Cameron

    British Prime Minister David Cameron said that British authorities plan to order four new trident submarines.

    LONDON (Sputnik) – Great Britain will acquire four new Trident-class submarines for the country’s defense, British Prime Minister David Cameron said Wednesday.

    “In the coming years, we’ll be launching the biggest aircraft carriers in our history, a new class of Hunter Killer submarines, new Joint Strike Fighter jets, improved Apache helicopters, a new fleet of drones, and because our independent nuclear deterrent is our ultimate insurance policy, this Government will order four new trident submarines,” Cameron said during a live broadcast Conservative conference.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151007/1028149128/cameron-acquire-submarines.html#ixzz3nseEuhi6


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    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:39 pm

    Breaking the Ice: UK Submarines May Return to Arctic

    The UK Royal Navy is preparing to send submarines into the Arctic for the first time in nearly 10 years, local media said on Sunday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — UK navy officers are set to undergo training to navigate below ice and break through ice covers on a US submarine before being deployed to the Arctic, The Sunday Times Newspaper reported.

    US experience will be used to prepare one Trafalgar-class submarine for work in the Arctic, Rear Admiral John Weale said, as quoted by the publication.

    The experience will then be passed on to the rest of the UK fleet, he added.

    The Royal Navy suspended Arctic patrols in 2007, after an explosion killed two operator mechanics on the HMS Tireless Trafalgar-class nuclear submarine that had been patrolling waters under the icecap.

    In the 1980s, both the United Kingdom and the United States were actively tracing Soviet submarines in the Arctic.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160410/1037772309/uk-submarienes-return-arctic.html#ixzz45SE4zv9J


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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:56 am

    British Parliament Votes to Renew Trident Nuclear Arms Program

    With a vote of 472 to 117, British lawmakers approved the modernization of the country's aging nuclear weapons system and will add four new nuclear submarines to its fleet.

    The 205 billion-pound initiative is seen as a requirement for the United Kingdom to remain a world power, particularly in the wake of the Brexit referendum in which Britain voted to leave the European Union.

    The modernization essentially means that the UK will be able to keep atomic weapons at sea continuously.

    "We cannot outsource the grave responsibility we have for keeping our people safe, and we cannot abandon our ultimate safeguard out of misplaced idealism," newly appointed-Prime Minister Theresa May said ahead of the vote. "That would be a reckless gamble."

    The proposal saw stiff opposition from the Scottish National party, as well as Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

    "What is the threat we are facing that a million people's deaths would actually deter," Corbyn told MPs, arguing for nuclear disarmament. "I make it clear today, i would not take a decision that kills millions of innocent people. I do not believe the threat of mass murder is a legitimate way to deal with international relations."

    While parliament technically agreed to renew the program in 2007, Monday's vote makes it official.


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    Post  Godric on Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:12 pm

    George1 wrote:British Parliament Votes to Renew Trident Nuclear Arms Program

    With a vote of 472 to 117, British lawmakers approved the modernization of the country's aging nuclear weapons system and will add four new nuclear submarines to its fleet.

    The 205 billion-pound initiative is seen as a requirement for the United Kingdom to remain a world power, particularly in the wake of the Brexit referendum in which Britain voted to leave the European Union.

    The modernization essentially means that the UK will be able to keep atomic weapons at sea continuously.

    "We cannot outsource the grave responsibility we have for keeping our people safe, and we cannot abandon our ultimate safeguard out of misplaced idealism," newly appointed-Prime Minister Theresa May said ahead of the vote. "That would be a reckless gamble."

    The proposal saw stiff opposition from the Scottish National party, as well as Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

    "What is the threat we are facing that a million people's deaths would actually deter," Corbyn told MPs, arguing for nuclear disarmament. "I make it clear today, i would not take a decision that kills millions of innocent people. I do not believe the threat of mass murder is a legitimate way to deal with international relations."

    While parliament technically agreed to renew the program in 2007, Monday's vote makes it official.

    they will need to find a place to put them Scotland ain't going to be in the UK much longer
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    Post  max steel on Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:10 pm

    UK nuclear submarine docks in Gibraltar after collision with merchant vessel


    Oops periscope: British £1.1bn nuclear submarine which crashed into a tanker is pictured in port in Gibraltar with the damage hidden by a tarpaulin and its Union Jack flying forlornly.

    This is Britain's newest and most advanced £1.1billion nuclear submarine lying damaged in its Gibraltar port today after she crashed into a merchant ship during a training exercise.

    HMS Ambush was submerged when it suffered a 'glancing' collision with a tanker as it surfaced at around 1.30pm yesterday, the Ministry of Defence confirmed.

    Yesterday submariners looked grim and had their heads bowed as they stood next to its badly dented turret as it limped into Britain's key Mediterranean port on Wednesday afternoon.

    And today its heavily gashed main tower was covered by tarpaulin and surrounded by armed guards as Royal Navy chiefs consider whether it can be fixed in Gibraltar or sent back to its base at Faslane on the Clyde.

    The Royal Navy says its newest 7,400 tonne high-tech hunter-killer submarine has 'world leading sensors to detect other submarines and surface ships' - yet it still smashed into the merchant vessel, which escaped undamaged.

    Ambush's experienced skipper is Commander Alan Daveney, who has served on three other of Britain's top submarines, but the Ministry of Defence has refused to say who was in charge of the £1.1bn vessel when it crashed.

    The Astute-class nuclear sub is to undergo further checks having sustained 'some external damage' to its conning tower in the crash, but no service personnel were injured in the incident














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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:52 pm

    The first official image of perspective of the British nuclear missile submarine
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    October 2nd, 0:21

    The UK Ministry of defence on its web site on 1 October 2016 for the first time published the official picture of "how it might look" promising British nuclear-powered submarine for the Successor program. Illustration of a very unexpected and gives the impression of "British "stick".

    The image illustrates the statement by British defense Secretary Michael Fallon about the results of the Corporation BAE Systems a contract valued at about 1.3 billion pounds to begin work on the so-called stage of ‘Delivery ' Phase 1’, predusmatrivaet the creation of technical project and working drawings for the new SSBN, procurement and ordering of equipment for the construction of the first boat and the beginning of construction of the reactor installation of the head of the ship. It is reported that Michael Fallon next week to take part in the ceremony of cutting the first steel for the manufacture of the reactor head boats at the company BAE Systems in barrow-in-Farnese.

    The Fund's Successor is expected to build four SSBN of the new generation, which will replace the four currently in the Royal Navy SSBNs of the Vanguard. Each boat program Successor will have 12 mines for ballistic missiles Trident II (and subsequent promising missiles), although it is assumed that in fact on duty at sea the boats will only carry eight missiles. The head of the new SSBNs have plans to enter into operation in 2028.




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    Post  George1 on Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:40 pm

    Britain's Ministry of Defense (MoD) has revealed the name for its new submarine - and it's exactly the same, in fact "resonates", with a Royal Navy ship that was christened over a hundred years ago.

    Without faltering on tradition, the new set of UK submarines will be called Dreadnought, rekindling the name given to early Royal Navy battleships in the 1900s.



    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610211046586884-dreadnought-submarine-britain-defense/


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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:28 pm

    George1 wrote:Britain's Ministry of Defense (MoD) has revealed the name for its new submarine - and it's exactly the same, in fact "resonates", with a Royal Navy ship that was christened over a hundred years ago.

    Without faltering on tradition, the new set of UK submarines will be called Dreadnought, rekindling the name given to early Royal Navy battleships in the 1900s.



    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201610211046586884-dreadnought-submarine-britain-defense/
    The name Dreadnought means Fearnothing
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:09 am

    Starting in 2028, Dreadnought new generation SSBNs will begin replacing strategic Vanguard class boats in the British Navy, Military Parity reported citing ukdefencejournal.org.uk (January 2017).


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