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    Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

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    Hannibal Barca

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    Re: Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:46 pm

    The answer to this question is yes. US and Russia look like they will fight for whom will be #3
    Given the fact that we need at least 50-60 more years, at least, I find it very hard for the first two spots, but given the time needed anything may happen.
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    Re: Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  Rmf on Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:32 pm

    interesting topic, i have an idea, could be feasible with existing technology and not too much expencive . use proton to assemble a nuclear engine space tug in orbit.
    proton-m is 25t to LEO
    proton is then 50 mil per launch.
    launches:
    1- nuclear engines and other equipment.
    2-fuel for mission.
    3-tug habitation module with provisions.
    4- lander and ascent , its a single 2 stage vehicle.
    so that is 4 launches. 200 million.

    dock them in a row:  engines -fuel- lander and ascent vehicle- habitat. nuclear engine exaust could be vectored sideways and start to turn whole spaceship on axis to create gravity for habitat about 60% of earth can be enough since mars gravity is even lower.

    tug could be used multiple times for mars missions ,and used as space station- in orbit around earth and mars waiting for humans.
    tug would be resuplied when returns to earth with few proton launches for fuel and food .

    there is water on mars and carbon dioxide ... so fuel can be made on mars for ascent vehicle H2O+CO2 - methane CH4 and brethable oxygen.
    on another thought there would be needed 2-3 proton launches from earth for fuel depending on engine ISP and total weight.

    even if more proton launches is needed lets say 2x more ,8 launches that still only 400 mil dollars., and habitat and fuel are not expencive. descent-ascent vehicle can cost more about 100 mil and nuclear engine, development costs not included since they are already researched, - would cost 100 mill.
    also i would keep minimal crew about 3 for first few trips anyway. geologist- biologist -and mechanic/ astronautical engineer.
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    Re: Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:52 am

    Russian space agency to start preparations for flight to Mars

    Roscosmos will also be glad to see NASA join the effort

    MOSCOW, July 14. /TASS/. Russia’s State Space Corporation Roscosmos will launch work in 2019 to prepare for a flight to the Red Planet and invites NASA to join it, the Roscosmos press office reported on Friday.

    "It is at least early to say that humans will fly to Mars in 2025 or in 2030. Roscosmos follows the strategy of practicing technologies on the Moon: a take-off, landing, an inter-planetary flight, protection from radiation and processes in the human’s body. Also, it is necessary to practice many things with the help of automats before sending a human to Mars. And Roscosmos will implement this program. It will start in 2019," the corporation said.

    Roscosmos will also be glad to see NASA join the effort, the press office said.

    Roscosmos thus commented on a statement by NASA Human Exploration and Operations Head Bill Gerstenmaier that the US space agency would be unable to send astronauts to Mars in the 2030s, given the current level of financing.

    "The mission of flying to Mars is not so much a financial as a technical task and there are huge problems and challenges, which scientists and engineers face. We have not yet solved them at the current stage of technological development. The key issues during a flight to Mars relate to the provision of radiation safety for the spacecraft’s crew members and vehicles to deliver cosmonauts to the Red Planet. These tasks have not been solved yet and NASA understands this," Roscosmos said.

    However, Roscosmos did not specify the program it would launch in 2019. According to Roscosmos’ plans, the first of a series of Russian lunar stations (Luna-25) is expected to be sent to the Moon this year. As part of the mission, scientists and engineers plan to practice again the technology of automatic landing on the Moon as the last domestic lunar mission was dispatched in 1976.


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    Re: Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:07 am



    With Putin In power or anyone of his clones , no chance. Russia today is not even a shadow
    of the Soviet ambitious Space program.
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    Re: Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:41 am

    Not now, not ever. Russia couldn't put a man on the moon, so Mars is way out of their league.
    They could team up with China, but then again, China will do all the heavy lifting if that ever happens.
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    Re: Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:14 am

    Chinas space tech is behind Russia's especially since their space station is essentially a Mir. Regardless, the US can't send a man on the moon now when they once were able to.

    My, how time has gone.
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    Re: Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:09 pm

    If the US had delayed even a few months the first men on the moon could have been Soviet.

    the Soviets had pretty much solved all the problems of landing someone on the moon and bringing them back... it just came down to who could do it first... once the US had done it there was no need for the Soviets to go.

    They already had the first landing on the moon, first view of its dark side, first orbit of the moon, first return of moon dust, etc etc... all the US did first was land a man there...


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    Re: Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  KiloGolf on Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:02 pm

    GarryB wrote:If the US had delayed even a few months the first men on the moon could have been Soviet.

    the Soviets had pretty much solved all the problems of landing someone on the moon and bringing them back... it just came down to who could do it first... once the US had done it there was no need for the Soviets to go.

    They already had the first landing on the moon, first view of its dark side, first orbit of the moon, first return of moon dust, etc etc... all the US did first was land a man there...

    The Soviets could never make it alive to the moon anyway, they tried and failed actually. Their N1 rockets had "explosive habits" upon launch.

    Using your "first" this and that logic, they did achieve the largest conventional explosion while trying apparently. Now that's a first right? What a Face

    No, so lets face it. They were beaten at their own game, it was a failure.


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