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    Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:42 pm

    I know this is a far fetched since the russian space research and industry is  far cry from what it was  during the soviet times and cant possibly compete with NASA and ESA  for now is there still a small possibility that it might land on mars first(as sort of payback for the moon landings)?

    More importantly is there motivation still existing in hope for russia to return to what it was during the USSR and start a new space race?

    Since the US mars mission is planned around 2040 the russian space industrial complex should better hurry.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:09 pm

    The bigger possibility is neither lands on Mars within our lifetimes.

    IMO.

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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:32 pm

    Sure it could do it if it puts enough funding and resources into it (so far other countries have been hedging their bets).
    But why?

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:43 am

    The irony is that the new rocket the US is working on now to get it to the moon and mars as a substitute for the Saturn IV which is no longer in production uses Russian rocket engines.

    Russian development of a nuclear powered rocket for use in interplanetary travel as a space tug would likely result in any interplanetary missions involving humans would likely include Russia anyway.

    BTW NASA has achieved quite a lot, but I wouldn't compare them to ESA.

    The first man to step on mars might be American but then such a thing would be mostly about ego which seems to be what the US space program is largely about.


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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:25 am

    No use going to MARS IMO its better to explore moon in the coming decades

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:01 am

    A trip to Mars will take years... it will take months to get to the red planet, so there is no point in going there to put a foot print in the dirt and then come home.

    This means that any mission to Mars requires mature experience in crews and technology that can operate for years without access to materials from earth.

    New propulsion like nuclear that can be operated all the way there and back will increase the loads that can be taken meaning more backup stuff and spares can be taken.

    Good preparation is also needed... if water can be located on Mars you can send robots ten years in advance to extract the water and then separate the hydrogen from the oxygen, so when the cosmonauts reach Mars they will have supplies of water and oxygen already there ready for an emergency return to Earth if needed.

    Being able to grow food and scrub carbon dioxide from the air is another must for such a flight... all these technologies can be created and perfected with Moon bases and space stations in orbit relatively close to earth so that in case of an emergency something might be able to be done to help.


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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:05 am

    All I can say is its stupid to go to mars for both US and Russia there is nothing much out there , Moon is more useful but such trips bolsters National Ego and Pride

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:31 am

    Actually we don't know what is out there till we look.

    The technology to recycle waste and air and water to allow survival for years in space will lead to technologies and abilities that will be very useful for the future of this planet.

    Being able to survive with small amounts of water, or developing foods that can be stored for years or grown in harsh environments could be critical to the survival of the human race.

    We already know that every few million years there is an extinction event that wipes out a large portion of the living creatures on this planet... having people on the moon would be handy but having them on the moon and Mars and perhaps in orbit around Venus and other places as well would be much more likely to protect us from the fate of the dinosaurs.

    Techniques for cleaning air supplies and purifying water and efficiently using energy supplies will also be useful for underwater exploration and of course cleaning up areas we have already polluted beyond safe levels to live in on earth.

    Besides imagine the mineral wealth of Mars... new ores and chemical combinations that its unique environment has created... imagine finding oil on Mars!

    There is no reason to think that Mars has never supported life. Before its magnetic field failed it should have had enough gravity to retain a decent atmosphere and harbour life forms.

    Close your eyes and spin a globe and place your finger on the globe... if you landed from space what are the odds you could walk around that area and find evidence of dinosaurs?

    If we are going to find evidence of life we need a settlement and time spend looking... hopefully with a geologist or two and a few other experts to help with the search. Bring back fossilised skeletons of martians would be rather more significant than who put their boot on the surface first.


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    Re: Is there a possibility that Russia can land on Mars before USA?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:37 pm

    I'm afraid the only major resource mars has is rusted metal Wink

    However that isnt an excuse for not needing to land a manned spacecraft on it.

    We already have the technologies for a spacecraft for mars and almost all that is needed for prolonged habitation. If people can live for 2+ years on the ISS why cant they on mars. Infact their health levels might be better than the ISS when they return to earth because there's actually gravity on mars. In fact the mental health of the cosmonauts may be more of an issue. I personally cant imagine how I will not go crazy of pure bordom from living for 2 months in a few space capsules and 2 years in a portable research facility.


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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:58 pm

    For metal to rust requires large amounts of oxygen as rust is simply metal oxidising, so that would be a good thing.

    The ISS gets regular cargo transports filled with food and fuel and oxygen and water so it can maintain its orbit and the crew can eat and breathe.

    A trip to Mars would be like a trip to the summit of Everest. For each person going to the goal you will need 20 people carrying food and supplies and equipment, except unlike Everest or the poles you can't just leave food and supplies in caches on the way... you either deliver them to Mars so they are there ready for when the people arrive or you pack everything into an enormous spacecraft that will require enormous amounts of fuel to get to Mars and back.

    Regarding boredom, I would say it would be most teenagers dream to be shut up in a small room with nothing to do but eat and sleep and play video games or watch movies or just look out the window at the best view of the stars anyone would ever get.


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    Post  War&Peace on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:33 am

    The US will land on MARS before any other country as we have send far more unmanned vehicles to MARS and therefore have access to more information than any other country.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:58 am

    USSR sent more robots to the Moon before the US did, and yet the US got there first.


    By the time we are sending anything with a crew to Mars, the current political landscape will be totally different.
    One thing I will bank on is the US not being as per-eminent as it has been in the post cold-war world.

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    Post  War&Peace on Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:51 am

    TR1 wrote:One thing I will bank on is the US not being as per-eminent as it has been in the post cold-war world.

    No country can replace us for the next 100 years . Every country has it's own share of huge problems that they have yet to overcome .

    Russia - Dwindling population of Whites , country been taken over by Central Asian Muslims
    China - Huge disparity between have & have nots the latter increasingly turning violent towards an autocratic regime
    Middle Eastern Countries - Al Qaeda central . Is only producing home grown terrorists .
    India - Basically a nothing country . A loose conglomeration of states , large scale intolerance among the castes and communities .The less said the better.


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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:37 am

    War&Peace wrote:
    TR1 wrote:One thing I will bank on is the US not being as per-eminent as it has been in the post cold-war world.

    No country can replace us for the next 100 years . Every country has it's own share of huge problems that they have yet to overcome .

    Russia - Dwindling population of Whites , country been taken over by Central Asian Muslims
    China - Huge disparity between have & have nots the latter increasingly turning violent towards an autocratic regime
    Middle Eastern Countries - Al Qaeda central . Is only producing home grown terrorists .
    India - Basically a nothing country . A loose conglomeration of states , large scale intolerance among the castes and communities .The less said the better.



    Nonsense.
    Actually all your generalizations are innacurate and ignorant in the extreme.

    America- land of fatasses, entitled hillbillies and redneck gun-totters.
    Does that sound accurate?


    Countries are already replacing the US financially, in influence, in human development, all around the world.

    100 years? No chance.

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    Post  NickM on Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:04 pm

    War&Peace wrote:

    No country can replace us for the next 100 years . Every country has it's own share of huge problems that they have yet to overcome .

    Russia - Dwindling population of Whites , country been taken over by Central Asian Muslims
    China - Huge disparity between have & have nots the latter increasingly turning violent towards an autocratic regime
    Middle Eastern Countries - Al Qaeda central . Is only producing home grown terrorists .
    India - Basically a nothing country . A loose conglomeration of states , large scale intolerance among the castes and communities .The less said the better.

    What the Russians did was keep their gates open and all the Central Asians , Indians and Chinese entered Russia illegally and reduced the Slavs to a minority across Russia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYdsgiZ7SA

    This is exactly what Asians did to UK . They control the country now .

    China's growth has slowed down and clashes between the people and authorities are breaking out across the country.

    Middle East is sponsoring Islamic jihad across the world

    India , it's widely known in the West that it is a basket case which probably will disintegrate any moment.

    No challenges therefore economic or military for the US . So maybe with a collaboration with EU , Mars will be conquered sooner than later.

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    Post  NickM on Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:07 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    America- land of fatasses, entitled hillbillies and redneck gun-totters.
    Does that sound accurate?

    These are the guys who made the US a superpower , the one and only .

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    Post  War&Peace on Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:17 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Nonsense.
    Actually all your generalizations are innacurate and ignorant in the extreme.

    America- land of fatasses, entitled hillbillies and redneck gun-totters.
    Does that sound accurate?


    Countries are already replacing the US financially, in influence, in human development, all around the world.

    100 years? No chance.

    And we need to believe you . I am at least proud of my country and flaunt it's name . You on the other hand are ashamed to take a stand for your country ( whichever country you come from). This clearly proves beyond doubt that you must be ashamed of your country of origin and therefore downplay the achievements of the USA to bring it at par with your's.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:54 pm

    War&Peace wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    Nonsense.
    Actually all your generalizations are innacurate and ignorant in the extreme.

    America- land of fatasses, entitled hillbillies and redneck gun-totters.
    Does that sound accurate?


    Countries are already replacing the US financially, in influence, in human development, all around the world.

    100 years? No chance.

    And we need to believe you . I am at least proud of my country and flaunt it's name . You on the other hand are ashamed to take a stand for your country ( whichever country you come from). This clearly proves beyond doubt that you must be ashamed of your country of origin and therefore downplay the achievements of the USA to bring it at par with your's.

    SO in other words, you are a chest thumping nationalist.


    Got it.
    Another forum clown.

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    Post  TR1 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:55 pm

    NickM wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    America- land of fatasses, entitled hillbillies and redneck gun-totters.
    Does that sound accurate?

    These are the guys who made the US a superpower , the one and only .

    I would say immigrants, geography and natural resources did that, but the point is I was being sarcastic.
    War&Peace (incorrectly) generalized entire regions along his ignorant perceptions.

    If he wants to keep dreaming the US will be in the same pre-eminent stop it has been for the next 100 years, well, what can I say, his funeral.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:45 am

    You can make educated guesses about possible developments in the next 10 years but 100 years from now??....funny Very Happy

    Personally, I find the predictions that China will be the biggest economy within 5 years and reach parity in military spending with the US in 5-10 years plausible. IMO, the biggest problem the US has is that it's economic model is broken but it continues to pursue more of the same practices that led to the breakdown....it's like an alcoholic trying to cure himself by drinking more.

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    Post  Sujoy on Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:26 am

    TR1 wrote:I would say immigrants, geography and natural resources did that, but the point is I was being sarcastic.
    War&Peace (incorrectly) generalized entire regions along his ignorant perceptions.

    TR1 ,

    Why are you trying to justify your points to this US poodle called NickM ?


    A cursory look at his comments in this post clearly reflects where he comes from . I can argue with such sidekicks , but what's the point . I learnt very early in life that one should NOT argue with an idiot . They bring you down to their own standards and then win by experience.

    BTW - I voted Russia but somehow I have a sinking feeling that the Kazakhs will be the first to send man to Mars.

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:56 am

    TR1 wrote:
    NickM wrote:
    TR1 wrote:
    America- land of fatasses, entitled hillbillies and redneck gun-totters.
    Does that sound accurate?

    These are the guys who made the US a superpower , the one and only .

    I would say immigrants, geography and natural resources did that, but the point is I was being sarcastic.
    War&Peace (incorrectly) generalized entire regions along his ignorant perceptions.

    If he wants to keep dreaming the US will be in the same pre-eminent stop it has been for the next 100 years, well, what can I say, his funeral.

    Not to mention a good amount of land stolen from mexicans and native americans

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:38 am

    The lander of Mars 2 became the first man-made object to reach the surface of Mars... the Soviets were already first.

    The US will land on MARS before any other country as we have send far more unmanned vehicles to MARS and therefore have access to more information than any other country.

    Actually most of the information about long term zero gravity comes from the Russians from their experiences with MIR.

    New US space suits are based on old Soviet designs.

    When the Space Shuttle was docked with the ISS (MIR2 BTW) the crew used to use the ISS toilet facilities because they were better (and Soviet designed).

    No country can replace us for the next 100 years . Every country has it's own share of huge problems that they have yet to overcome .

    Replace what? Self appointed world police/lynch mob? Hope there is no replacement to be honest.

    Russia - Dwindling population of Whites , country been taken over by Central Asian Muslims

    Sorry... what?

    If I were a redneck I might say the US has ten times that problem with spanish becoming more prevalent in some places in the US than the Queens English, but I am not so I will simply point out that some of the greatest empires in Earths history got by without whities like the Chinese, the Persians, the Somali, the Babylonians, the list is much longer but I am just a dumb eurocentric white guy and my education is western oriented.

    China - Huge disparity between have & have nots the latter increasingly turning violent towards an autocratic regime

    Yeah, cause in the US everyone has a million dollar mansion and there are no 1% rich and land owners and the rest working three jobs just to pay for their banks house they currently live in.

    Middle Eastern Countries - Al Qaeda central . Is only producing home grown terrorists .

    I love the irony because AQ only takes real root when there is instability and lawlessness... like Egypt, Libya, Syria... places where the west has supported the overthrow of government leaders they were happy to tolerate in the past but now that there is an economy problem they need to free up the assets of these countries so they can pay the bills...

    India - Basically a nothing country . A loose conglomeration of states , large scale intolerance among the castes and communities .The less said the better.

    The US in the 1950s and 1960s was deeply divided on the issue of race relations and is a conglomeration of states... I guess the lack of whites in India are its real problem?
    Interesting you can write off a billion people like that...

    Nonsense.
    Actually all your generalizations are innacurate and ignorant in the extreme.

    America- land of fatasses, entitled hillbillies and redneck gun-totters.
    Does that sound accurate?

    First read your response on the next page without the bit I have quoted above and thought that was very unusual for you TR-1, but in context it makes sense... and x2.

    If you want to use stereotypes for India and Russia and China then you must be consistent and use the stereotypes for the US as well.

    What the Russians did was keep their gates open and all the Central Asians , Indians and Chinese entered Russia illegally and reduced the Slavs to a minority across Russia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYdsgiZ7SA

    This is exactly what Asians did to UK . They control the country now .

    Population migration is very normal and for most of the previous few centuries it has been from europe out into the rest of the world. Asians don't control the UK... it would probably be much better off if they did.

    Remember the stereotype... Russians are half asian and therefore can't be trusted... now you are saying to Russia that it should fear a little colour???

    The irony of course is that purebreds often have serious congenital genetic conditions, while the mongrel often is much more hardy a breed. The sooner you stop thinking in terms of race or skin colour perhaps the happier you will be. People generally breed for fun... not as part of a conspirasy... of course the real irony is that the main victims of what you seem to fear the most were the Serbs in Kosovo... which the US and UK actively supported and actually made happen... now you think it might happen to you... sorry no sympathy here.

    China's growth has slowed down and clashes between the people and authorities are breaking out across the country.

    Of course it is slowing down... they had a big gap to catch up... now that they have caught up in a range of areas of course they will not continue to grow at the same rate... it is like bacteria that reproduces exponentially... on paper with just maths you start with one and then two and then four and then 8 and within a few days you have teh same weight in bacteria as the mass of the earth. Fine on paper, but in the real world when the edge of the petris dish is reached and the food runs out the reproduction stops. It is why we test the things we design because the real world matters.

    Middle East is sponsoring Islamic jihad across the world

    Lets be clear... it is not the whole middle east... the US would have us believe the biggest threat in the ME was Iran, but they just sponsor terrorists against Israel... Saudi Arabia on the other hand sponsors Al Quada. The west is backing the wrong horse as usual.


    India , it's widely known in the West that it is a basket case which probably will disintegrate any moment.

    That is interesting because some are now thinking that about the west in general... the current economic system is absurd where the US can have an AAA credit rating because the companies that rate countries is American. Sounds broken already.



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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:40 am

    Did I mention that the Saturn V rockets are no longer in production and so the big new rockets they are designing now for operation in 2018-2020 are based on the rockets designed for the N-1... so if they get there it will be with Russian rocket engines.


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    Post  TR1 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:25 am

    NickM wrote:
    What the Russians did was keep their gates open and all the Central Asians , Indians and Chinese entered Russia illegally and reduced the Slavs to a minority across Russia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CYdsgiZ7SA[/b]


    I am not even going to the rest of your post-

    but YOU ARE AWARE that is blatantly, factually, wrong? No ifs and buts about it.

    Going to take Sujoy's advice on this one.

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