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    Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:29 am

    Putin will ditch his Mercedes-Benz for this home made limousine.

    Watch video: http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/218622

    During Soviet times, ZIL limousines were used by top officials. Production stopped in the wake of the Soviet collapse.
    ZIL still makes truck and was on the verge of bankruptcy, but new cash was injected recently and the company is being rejuvenated. New truck models as well as the above new limousine are the latest in the pipeline.
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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:27 am




    Putin's ZIL-4112P with a 7.7 litre engine and six-speed automatic transmission

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    Post  Firebird on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:27 pm

    Sujoy wrote:


    Putin's ZIL-4112P with a 7.7 litre engine and six-speed automatic transmission

    I quite liked the back and profile of that concept idea. Personally, I'd have gone for a sleeker front end, to make it a bit more like the Aston Martin Lagonda of the 1980s.

    Its good to see Zil back producing again. It didn't seem right to use just Mercs.

    Does anyone know how the new Zil was built? Was everything in-house, or was a lot in partnership with other companies from abroad?

    Alot of people are tipping the Russian car industry to flourish with Russia entering the WTO.
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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  Sujoy on Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:23 pm

    Actually it is Dark Blue .

    It was designed in Russia at the ZIL Limousine Production and the project was headed by Mikhail Sattarov.

    ZIL has signed a deal with Korean automaker Hyundai to begin production at its Moscow plant.Bolt-together assembly is slated to start in the first quarter of 2013, while full-cycle production will commence by 2015.

    Putin has ordered government departments to seek appropriate domestic alternatives to the mostly German foreign brands that are used in Russia.

    The project for a domestically-made limousine, dubbed 'Monolith,' features a Russian-made 400-horsepower engine, together with a US-made transmission.

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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  TR1 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:20 am

    Google the name to see what it really looks like.


    Good old Zil, in the 21st century.

    Russian car industry still sucks, what else is new.
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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:25 am

    At least this is a step forward... they are not going to get any better if all the Russian politicians keep buying German cars.
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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:57 am

    He made the right choice by going domestic, especially since he's been promoting the domestic industry. I always thought driving around in foreign cars was setting the wrong example.

    The external retro look is done apparently on purpose.

    Retro Putin driven to revive Soviet limousine
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/retro-putin-driven-to-revive-soviet-limousine/story-e6frg6so-1226507810808
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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  TR1 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:27 pm

    It's not a retro look- the car IS retro.

    The body and chassis are barely modified from ancient Zil.

    http://www.max-models.ru/data/ZIL_raika/ZIL-4112R_Max-Models.jpg

    Those lights look tacky and retarded. They belong on a pimped-out ricer, not a state car.

    The car in the 3d render looks like a dream compared to this boat.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:32 pm

    TR1 wrote:Google the name to see what it really looks like.


    Good old Zil, in the 21st century.

    Russian car industry still sucks, what else is new.

    Yeah judging by the renders I thought that it was really going to be something that would take things to the next level

    Instead it's

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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:50 am

    Is it the same model they use during the Victory day parade?

    From what I gather, it's the same externally with a upgraded interior

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    Post  Austin on Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:05 pm

    Sujoy wrote:


    Putin's ZIL-4112P with a 7.7 litre engine and six-speed automatic transmission

    Wooooo .....I like the retro looks of ZIL attack cheers

    Thank You Putin for choosing a Russian car even if they may not be the best presidential car but atleast that would be zillion time better than riding on Mercedes.

    You make Russia proud russia

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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  Austin on Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:08 pm

    This one is it or they build a new one ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C2NsR9ebiw
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:13 pm

    IT's the one in the video.

    Basically a modernized good old Zil.
    Nothing as impressive as the render.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:23 am

    TR1 i doubt its the same it would be prototype , the car shown certainly lack bullet proof armour and glass .....likely they would build a few of such cars for Putin and Medvedev and they are just building protoype now.

    Presidential cars will never be exposed to media due to security reasons
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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:52 am

    Austin wrote:This one is it or they build a new one ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C2NsR9ebiw

    You da man Austin Smile Thanks for sharing. I also like it and as I wrote before it's fitting that the president rides in a domestic car.

    In the video it says that apparently, some Arab sheiks are expressing interest in the Zil...
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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  Viktor on Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:12 am




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    Post  Regular on Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:29 pm

    Yeah.. More square shaped Volga is strong in fleshed out concept. It's like they spat in the face to everyone that believed it will be modern classic. They should buy license from MB or any other well developed brand. I don't see problem by buying couple foreign cars too. I doubt that few orders from president will change sad state of cars in Russia.  To expect something good is like expect Stephen Hawkins to pass maroon beret trial.
    No offense to Russians, but Your all You civilian autoprom should be sent to gulags for re-education. You have countless car designers and engineers working for foreign companies, You have people who have golden hands, why they have to leave to fulfil their talents?

    When Russia will start making cars in price range from 50000 to 80000 euros, then I would expect decent limousine version. And yeah I know that there loads of Russians(Kalingrad rulit I razrulit) who pay even more for those cars and even take to Lithuania to get polyvinyl body covers and custom interiors. Market for luxury cars in Russia is massive, domestic manufacturers are ignoring gold mine.

    People buy Kalinas and other "triperoids" then most likely they will not have money to go to service and rather go to Petya Fedya Vasya to their garages or just use duck tape to fix their cars. Plus they exploit their cars for long time and that doesn't help as demand in the market will be exhausted eventually.
    People who are more successful in their beautiful country and don't moan how life is bad under Putin and how hard is without communism helping hand usually splash money on new cars and other things.
    It's not mafia who owns money anymore, I know loads of Muscovites who earn almost same amount of money like they would in UK or elsewhere in EU. Opportunities are there, if people live bad it's their fault not NATO or Putin's Very Happy
    Middle class usually don't care much about fuel consumption, high RPMs, they are going to service, they spend fortune on simple luxuries and they upgrade to new cars in very short time. They are the fuel for internal consumption engine:)
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:09 pm

    Thing looks like its not made by artist. I meancome on, this doesnt look anything like other decently elegant limos. If they really cant they should consult with others who know.

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    Post  Firebird on Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:17 pm

    It was interesting to read about the plans for a whole range of exec Russian cars.

    I was on a call a while back and was doodling some ideas for what I'd want. I wound up with something a lot like one of the Marussia designs. Basically an aerodynamic type thing. Like a modernised version of the 1980s Aston  Martin Lagonda saloon.

    I think it would be nice for the new presidential car to be something striking, yet uniquely beautiful. A bit like a mix between a Lamborghini and a Mig... for the road.

    The design above is very nice, but it looks v much like a Rolls Royce, with a high waist line. Why copy Merc, Rolls etc? I think the idea is "Russia has its own way, equally as beautiful as the others"..
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:34 am

    Id like to see typhoon apc pimped up to be aluxury limo. clown 
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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:51 am

    Viktor wrote:


    LINK

    DAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN' NIGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

    Shame it's just a render. Russia is not nearly cool enough to come up with a car like that  Neutral 
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    Re: Putin's New Ride: The New ZIL-4112P

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:54 pm

    Regular wrote:Yeah.. More square shaped Volga is strong in fleshed out concept. It's like they spat in the face to everyone that believed it will be modern classic. They should buy license from MB or any other well developed brand. I don't see problem by buying couple foreign cars too. I doubt that few orders from president will change sad state of cars in Russia.  To expect something good is like expect Stephen Hawkins to pass maroon beret trial.
    No offense to Russians, but Your all You civilian autoprom should be sent to gulags for re-education. You have countless car designers and engineers working for foreign companies, You have people who have golden hands, why they have to leave to fulfil their talents?

    When Russia will start making cars in price range from 50000 to 80000 euros, then I would expect decent limousine version. And yeah I know that there loads of Russians(Kalingrad rulit I razrulit) who pay even more for those cars and even take to Lithuania to get polyvinyl body covers and custom interiors. Market for luxury cars in Russia is massive, domestic manufacturers are ignoring gold mine.

    People buy Kalinas and other "triperoids" then most likely they will not have money to go to service and rather go to Petya Fedya Vasya to their garages or just use duck tape to fix their cars. Plus they exploit their cars for long time and that doesn't help as demand in the market will be exhausted eventually.
    People who are more successful in their beautiful country and don't moan how life is bad under Putin and how hard is without communism helping hand usually splash money on new cars and other things.
    It's not mafia who owns money anymore, I know loads of Muscovites who earn almost same amount of money like they would in UK or elsewhere in EU. Opportunities are there, if people live bad it's their fault not NATO or Putin's Very Happy
    Middle class usually don't care much about fuel consumption, high RPMs, they are going to service, they spend fortune on simple luxuries and they upgrade to new cars in very short time. They are the fuel for internal consumption engine:)

    Cant expect everything to change so fast. Actually, it was only recently that people in Russia are seeing such huge pay rates. Automarket in Russia seems to mostly be about affordability over luxury, and I agree; they need to work in that area too. Would be cool to see a car designed by Mikoyan Smile

    Just recently Avtovaz was saved with the introduction of new managers (French) and the Granta car. There is also a whole shlew of other manufacturers, but most of them make popular makes under license. But none in luxury besides maybe Marussia which is just really specialized. They need to look at maybe seeking Mercedes to start manufacturing in Russia. Here in Canada, if 1,000 cars are sold here, it has to be 1,000 cars using Canadian parts or assembled in Canada or there is a massive tarrif, like 200%. So it becomes profitable for companies to open manufacturing here as there are still a lot of buyers.
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    Post  TR1 on Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:00 pm

    True Russian luxury:

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    Post  x_54_u43 on Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:17 am

    Putin to Receive New Russian-Made 'Cortege' Limousine
    The Moscow TimesApr. 05 2016 15:53 Last edited 15:53

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    Russian President Vladimir Putin is to receive a model from the first batch of Cortege cars, Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said, the RIA Novosti news agency reported Tuesday.

    The Cortege project will provide Russian-made vehicles for the transportation of top Russian government officials — 3.7 billion rubles ($54 million) was allocated to the project this year, RIA Novosti reported.

    “The first batch should be released around the end of 2017 to the beginning of 2018,” Manturov said.

    The minister added that 200 vehicles will be produced in the first year, all of which at the Central Scientific Research Automobile and Automotive Engines Institute (NAMI) headquarters in Moscow.

    Talks are ongoing with the Russian Defense Ministry regarding the creation of an armored off-road vehicle, Mantura said, RIA Novosti reported.

    Four vehicle models have been developed as part of the project: a limousine, a sedan, an SUV and a minivan.

    Mantura said that the limousine has been put through trials for almost a year and crash-tests for the sedan will begin in April. There are plans to increase the shipment amount to 4,000-5,000 of each model by 2020.
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    Putin to Receive New Russian-Made 'Cortege' Limousine

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:26 am

    hopefully they will end up making a civilian version for the luxury market. There is a demand for cars similar to this like the Lincoln towncars.

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