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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  kvs on Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:34 pm

    "sketches" = blueprints

    Silly automatic translation software.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:44 am

    Source: missile complex "Barguzin" will be adopted no earlier than 2020


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:36 am

    Nuclear-Armed Trains Roaming Russia

    Russia continues to modernize its nuclear arsenal. One of the most interesting plans regards the reintroduction of nuclear missile systems deployed on trains


    During the Cold War years, a huge rail network was built as a nuclear detterent and is still present in Russia today. Thanks to this immense infrastructure, ready for use, the decision to reactivate this particular deterrent will not require much effort. The goal is to have this missile system ready by 2020.

    The greatest challenge for Russia is in building the new trains. Of the 12 available in Soviet times, 10 were destroyed according to the START-2 framework agreement and 2 ended up in museums. In terms of design they will be based on blueprints already used in the past. The great advantages of this system is the possibility of camouflaging the train completely , passing it off asa regular commercial train. This prevents the enemy from tracking it or follow the deployment of nuclear warheads. In addition, in some places the dense railway network penetrates hundreds of meters inside mountain ranges guarantying protection and virtually absolute invisibility. Other features include new electronic warfare systems (ECM) installed on the trains.

    The major technological overhaul will allow the trains ‘Barguzin’ to transport six RS-24 Yars ICBMs, instead of maximum three outdated Scalpel missles on the old Molodets model. The nuclear arms are probably smaller than the Molodets missiles system that had 10 MIRVed warheads yielding more than 5 megatons. Instead, each Yars has four warheads totaling up to 1.2 megatons. Yars are much less devastating but much more accurate and have a greater range. In the art of modern nuclear deterrence, combined with the ABM being developed, precision, speed and invisibility is far more important than megatons.

    Service life estimates are a minimum of 20 years, with the possibility of modernizing to extend their operational period.

    Russia aims to create a strategic level of nuclear deterrent to deploy and use, significantly faster than their American colleagues . In this sense the Barguzin is a formidable system for multiple reasons but mainly for its ability to be deployed in remote areas quickly. The train is capable of traveling 1000km per day providing enormous flexibility in terms of displacement and positioning.

    In terms of nuclear doctrine, it should be remembered that the train's missiles are to be understood as second strike capabilities. Nevertheless, the return of missile trains is yet another example of how Russia is focusing on nuclear deterrence, improving all its strategic forces.

    It’s very difficult to find actual footage of the Moldets tests. This video, shows a demonstration of the old Soviet Missile train launching a missile.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/trains-and-nukes-deter-american-stupidity-video/ri12350


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:55 am

    A little late to the news, no?

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  Austin on Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:24 am

    Russian rail-mobile ICBM project set to be axed

    http://www.janes.com/article/57829/russian-rail-mobile-icbm-project-set-to-be-axed

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:12 am

    What? No mention of who said it will be axed and why? And defense budget didnt change, so that is wrong too.

    Sap2020 is still going as schedualed and ready stated no changes to it.  Only thing so far is lack of Sap2025.

    Jabes is usually so so but this article is so far not good.  They need to provide: sources, links and as well as reasoning.  But nothing in the article.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:23 am

    NO such news was published by any Russian outlet. I also view (in)famous Jane's with a great deal of irony, politely speaking--these were the guys, who on the eve of Debaltsevo disaster were spreading Ukronazi propaganda about how the victory for criminals in Kiev was at hand.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:37 pm

    max steel wrote:NO such news was published by any Russian outlet. I also view (in)famous Jane's with a great deal of irony, politely speaking--these were the guys, who on the eve of Debaltsevo disaster were spreading Ukronazi propaganda about how the victory for criminals in Kiev was at hand.

    The only shred of credibility left for Jane's is SCO's articles. 10-15 years ago Jane's was far more neutral and far less sensationalist with unsubstantiated claims, but alas times have changed.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:03 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    max steel wrote:NO such news was published by any Russian outlet. I also view (in)famous Jane's with a great deal of irony, politely speaking--these were the guys, who on the eve of Debaltsevo disaster were spreading Ukronazi propaganda about how the victory for criminals in Kiev was at hand.

    The only shred of credibility left for Jane's is SCO's articles. 10-15 years ago Jane's was far more neutral and far less sensationalist with unsubstantiated claims, but alas times have changed.

    I CHECKED it again. Same results. I wonder why people still pay for their full time subscription. Lying with bold face and no facts to back their claim. Suspect

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  Project Canada on Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:40 pm

    one commenter said the sources (claimed to be from russian Mod) were provided on the full article,

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:07 am

    Finally found some info.

    a couple of month ago there was indeed a report about Barguzin readiness date moving to 2020 from the original 2018. But the program does not seem to be dead quite yet - following Jane's story a source in the industry told Interfax that the pop-up tests of the missile are scheduled to begin later this year. However, from what the source said it does seem that the program's future is in doubt.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:11 pm

    RVSN officer claims design for rail-based Barguzin ICBM being completed; program still on track.

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160220/1377773148.html


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:51 pm

    Oldies but Goodies: Russia Preps Crews for ‘Doomsday Nuke Trains’

    Russia will soon start training crews for its feared missile trains, Echo Moskvy Radio reported citing the head of the Strategic Missile Forces’ military education department, Viktor Nesterov.

    Colonel Nesterov said that in 2020 Russia’s armed forces will receive a new generation of ICBM-launching trains.

    The Barguzin railroad ICBM system will carry six RS-24 Yars ICBMs, as compared to three RS-22 Scalpels carried by its predecessor, the Molodets railroad ICBM system.

    “We need to think ahead… Realizing full well that we are going to need specialists to operate this new missile complex we decided to launch special courses to train such specialists,” Viktor Nesterov said.

    The Molodets railroad ICBM system, armed with three RS-22 ICBMs was retired in 2005 in keeping with the START-2 treaty. Out of the 12 Soviet-era missile trains, 10 were destroyed and the remaining two were sent to a museum.

    Barguzin will be greatly superior to Molodets in terms of range, accuracy, and other characteristics. Ths will allow the system to remain in service for a long time, at least until 2040, Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces commander, Col.-Gen. Sergey Karakaev said.

    The missile trains are stealthy and highly mobile, capable of covering up to a thousand kilometers in a single day. Disguised as a freight train, a missile train cannot be spotted either by satellite or electronic surveillance.

    All necessary infrastructure, such as tunnels, reinforced tracks and launch sites, is still in place and ready to go.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160222/1035170592/russia-nukes-trains.html#ixzz40v7vn01B


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:47 pm

    George1 wrote:RVSN officer claims design for rail-based Barguzin ICBM being completed; program still on track.

    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160220/1377773148.html

    In this case on track is also literally Laughing

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Thu May 12, 2016 9:38 am

    Russia starts creating elements of rail-mobile ballistic missile system — source

    The timeframe for the construction of the system will be clarified in 2018

    MOSCOW, May 12. /TASS/. Russia has started the creation of separate elements of the Barguzin rail-mobile ballistic missile system, a source in the Russian defense industry complex said on Thursday.

    "The design documentation has been elaborated, separate elements of the system are being created, but there is no specific timeframe for its completion and making operational," the source said.

    According to him, the timeframe will be clarified in 2018.

    In 2014, Commander of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces Sergei Karakayev said that by the decision of the president, Russia started the reconstruction of the rail-based ICBM system Barguzin and its front end engineering design has been completed. Russia withdrew railway-based inter-continental ballistic missiles from operation in 2005. Their successor Barguzin, according to Strategic Missile Force expectations, will surpass by far the parameters of its predecessor and remain in active service at least till 2040. The New START Treaty does not prohibit the creation of such weapons.

    According to previous reports, one train of Russia's future rail-mobile missile system Barguzin will carry up to six intercontinental ballistic missiles developed on the basis of the Yars ICBM and will be equivalent to a regiment. A Russian defense industry source told TASS that one regiment of the recreated new-generation Barguzin system will be able to carry six Yars or Yars-M intercontinental ballistic missiles. One Barguzin division will comprise five regiments. It was initially planned to put the system into operation in 2019-2020.

    In December 2015, a Russian defense source told TASS that due to financial difficulties the Barguzin development works have been postponed for more than a year and will be completed no earlier than 2020.


    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/defense/875153


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  Viktor on Thu May 12, 2016 12:16 pm

    And construction begins thumbsup

    Source: started creating elements in Russia "missile train"

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Sat May 14, 2016 4:57 pm

    Why Russia's Reviving Its Nuke Trains

    Russian "Barguzin" strategic missile trains may become an asymmetric response to NATO's complex European Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) system deployed in Romania and Poland, military experts believe.

    Russian designers have begun to create new elements of "Barguzin" — Russia's combat railway missile complex (BZhRK) aimed at transporting and launching strategic nuclear missiles.

    Citing a military source with the knowledge of the matter, Russian Regnum news agency wrote that the project's exact completion date would be announced in early 2018. Back in 2014, Strategic Missile Forces Commander Col. Gen. Sergei Karakayev told journalists that the sketches of Russia's future railway-based missile complex had been finalized.

    It was reported that the Russian Army may receive five Barguzin railroad ICBM systems by 2020. In late February 2016 the head of the Strategic Missile Forces' military education department, Viktor Nesterov, informed Echo Moskvy (Echo of Moscow) Radio that a new generation of ICBM-launching trains would enter the Army service in 2020.

    Russian military experts regard the system as a powerful counterbalance against NATO's European Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) system deployed by the United States in Eastern Europe.

    On Thursday, the Pentagon military officials inaugurated their missile defense base in Deveselu, Romania. The Deveselu base is one of the first major European elements of the US global missile shield. The cornerstone of the military site is an Aegis Ashore missile defense system equipped with an AN/SPY-1 radar and vertical launchers for 24 Standard SM-3 Block IB missiles.

    A similar ground-based Aegis system is currently under construction in Poland. The Polish base is due to become operational in 2018.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov stressed Thursday that the deployment of the elements of the US global missile shield in Europe undoubtedly poses a direct threat to the Russian Federation's security.

    "From the very beginning we have said that, according to experts — and we are certain of this, undoubtedly — the deployment of missile defense systems indeed poses a threat to the security of the Russian Federation," Peskov told reporters.

    The Pentagon and NATO war planners have been "encircling" Russia since the end of the Cold War seeking to nullify the country's nuclear deterrence capability. However, with Barguzin nuclear trains the threat would be seriously mitigated.

    The crux of the matter is that the Russian BZhRK looks similar to any other ordinary cargo train and cannot be detected by an adversary. The elusive nuke complex also moves constantly across the system of the country's railroads. It is worth mentioning that the Russian railways are ranked second longest globally. In general, the combat railway missile complex can pass up to 1,000 kilometers daily.

    The first BZhRKs entered the Soviet Army service in 1987 but were completely decommissioned in 2007 in accordance with the START II (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty) treaty between the US and Russia.

    However, the modernized BzhRK Barguzin system does not violate the provisions of the New START treaty signed by Moscow and Washington on April 8, 2010, in Prague.

    Each Barguzin train will be armed with six ICBMs RS-24 Yars which could be brought into firing position within minutes. Furthermore, Barguzins will be also equipped with advanced electronic warfare systems and a sophisticated stealth technology.

    Russian military expert Leonid Nersisyan notes in his article for Regnum, that Washington's unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty in the early 2000s prompted serious concerns in Moscow and forced Russian military planners to seek new ways to counter potential threats.

    The other destabilizing factor is the Pentagon's Prompt Global Strike (PGS) concept, Nersisyan underscores. The US is developing a system that can deliver a precision-guided conventional weapon airstrike at targets throughout the world within one hour using hypersonic weapons.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly signaled that Washington's efforts at implementing the European BMD and creating Prompt Global Strike (PGS) weapon systems is dealing a blow to the ongoing talks on nuclear disarmament between the countries.

    However, Nersisyan stresses that the Russian BZhRKs will nullify the challenge posed by the US Prompt Global Strike (PGS) concept.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160514/1039617061/barguzin-nuclear-train-russia-nato.html#ixzz48e85mYs5


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  Austin on Thu May 19, 2016 12:52 pm

    Looks like Pavel is unhappy that Barguzin project is proceeding but I replied to him in Comments

    Barguzin project refuses to die

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/05/barguzin_project_refuses_to_di.shtml

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    Post  max steel on Thu May 19, 2016 6:41 pm

    Austin wrote:Looks like Pavel is unhappy that Barguzin project is proceeding but I replied to him in Comments

    Barguzin project refuses to die

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/05/barguzin_project_refuses_to_di.shtml

    Well he never allows me to post any cooment. It goes for moderation and doesn't appear at all. I posted there once and he removed my comment. So much for free speech.

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    Post  Austin on Thu May 19, 2016 6:48 pm

    I was lucky this time my post did not get moderated , generally it does it heavily moderated

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu May 19, 2016 7:26 pm

    Austin wrote:I was lucky this time my post did not get moderated , generally it does it heavily moderated

    otherwise folks would prove with facts he is talking sh!t Smile


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Fri May 20, 2016 12:21 am

    Given the finite rail network it's unlikely to be as useful as the Topols in terms of flexibility of firing positions, which can drive on roads to almost any pre-prepared launch position. The saving grace of rail is speed and perhaps the ability to mass a large number of Topols quickly along the rail net.

    It would be especially useful in diverting the missile force quickly over the large expanses of Russia/Siberia. Being able to cow Europe /and/ China with the same number of quickly moveable rail-ICBM is more economical than a large Topol force that can't react and move quickly from place to place.

    The other possibility is that rail allows a force to be moved into an area and to quickly fire missiles, then scoot, much more so than slower road-mobile topol (which can go off of the railroad net and are better off hiding or creeping around than zipping around as fast as possible).

    The third possibility is that rail allows a rail-ICBM force to move forward from safe rear areas after the threat is clear, fire the missiles and retreat.


    Topol usage is probably going to be roving and based on pre-selected, well-concealed sites. The trains will have to disperse and be prepared to rapidly move to a desired target area on short notice (or to egress quickly if the bombers are coming).

    If the missile force is kept east of the Ural mountains, it makes it a little trickier to find. There is more area, but far less civilian traffic. Trains running at high speed during wartime will stick out. West of the Urals with more civilian traffic, bombing all the trains is unlikely to be received well.

    Russia is big, and this is an advantage that is conferred on their road and rail network. Lots of area to hunt is not going to be fun for countering either the Topol or their Molodets replacement.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  kvs on Fri May 20, 2016 1:01 am

    max steel wrote:Given the finite rail network it's unlikely to be as useful as the Topols in terms of flexibility of firing positions, which can drive on roads to almost any pre-prepared launch position. The saving grace of rail is speed and perhaps the ability to mass a large number of Topols quickly along the rail net.

    It would be especially useful in diverting the missile force quickly over the large expanses of Russia/Siberia. Being able to cow Europe /and/ China with the same number of quickly moveable rail-ICBM is more economical than a large Topol force that can't react and move quickly from place to place.

    The other possibility is that rail allows a force to be moved into an area and to quickly fire missiles, then scoot, much more so than slower road-mobile topol (which can go off of the railroad net and are better off hiding or creeping around than zipping around as fast as possible).

    The third possibility is that rail allows a rail-ICBM force to move forward from safe rear areas after the threat is clear, fire the missiles and retreat.


    Topol usage is probably going to be roving and based on pre-selected, well-concealed sites. The trains will have to disperse and be prepared to rapidly move to a desired target area on short notice (or to egress quickly if the bombers are coming).

    If the missile force is kept east of the Ural mountains, it makes it a little trickier to find. There is more area, but far less civilian traffic. Trains running at high speed during wartime will stick out. West of the Urals with more civilian traffic, bombing all the trains is unlikely to be received well.

    Russia is big, and this is an advantage that is conferred on their road and rail network. Lots of area to hunt is not going to be fun for countering either the Topol or their Molodets replacement.

    Actually Russia's road network is more limited than its railway system.   No Topol launcher can travel as fast as a train.   And most importantly,
    it does not make any difference if Russian ICBMs are launched from a subset of its territory or the whole thing.   The only issue is if it is easier
    for the rail systems to be destroyed by a US first strike compared to road systems.   The rail systems are much harder to kill compared to silos
    and really are in a different class along with the road systems.    A single "stealthed" train can carry several ICBMs and can't be distinguished
    from any other train.   A mobile road launcher can carry one only and can be tracked from satellites.

    The US will not be able to target the whole Russian railway system.   It does not have enough missiles and warheads.   It's a fool's errand in any
    case.    

    It's nice to see Podvig squirming.  That 5th column kreakl dirtbag wishes for Russia to fail and for Uncle Scam to succeed.   He should bugger
    on off to his promised land.

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    Post  Austin on Fri May 20, 2016 5:49 am

    If stooges like Pavel are used by Western Intel to spread FUD against Barguzin System , which means there is a good reason US fears the system as it will be hard to track and all the more reason to develop it.

    Pavel was a Russian who fled to US taking lot of material on Strategic Matters with in 90's

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    Post  sepheronx on Fri May 20, 2016 7:36 am

    Glad 90's are over and his knowledge/contribution is outdated and no longer useful.

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