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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  collegeboy16 on Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:14 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote: Who says that saboteurs have to be Seals or Green Berets? Why not bunch of pravosekov or Islamic suicide cr@p controlled by Saudis? In ever ycase Russian genrals did nt oshare your optimism guys (both you and Garry) and  already BTR-80  are accompanying Yars launchers.
    because they'll promptly get the shit kicked out of them by Russian MVD troops. right now life expectancy of such dregs is measured in a handful of months; get the whole country on high alert and that turns to few days, if not hours.
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    2-3 monts ago there was info about new counter-saboteur APC with drones and accompanied by armed robots.  With sniper and motion detectors in ranges like 2km.
    why not? UGVs are perfect for convoy escort- better sensors, better weaponry and most especially better endurance/persistence. they are remote controlled for now, but there is no issue with switching them to automatic. convoy guards are prolly instructed to immediately open fire on whatever they see that isnt friendly.
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    PGS AFAIK Prompt Global Strike - they do not have to send 1 missile but as many as they like if you can guess with enough accuracy where train CAN be.
    congratulations, you just bankrupted your country and restarted a new nuke arms race for real!
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    EW - well what about optical tracking form orbit?
    insufficient to say the least.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:30 pm

    you got it wrong . PGSS means Persistent Ground Surveillance Systems . NOT PGS Prompt Global Strike . US thinks it is The Best Defense Against Cruise Missiles . It is a giant surveillance Blimp .It is just like JLENS Joint Land Attack Cruise Missile Defense Elevated Netted Sensor . JLENS is basically a way for folks (like NORAD) to watch for low-flying cruise missiles (a.k.a. exploding drones without round trip tickets) and aircraft .

    JLENS aerostats are deployed in pairs called "orbits." One blimp carries a giant search radar system while the other has high-powered targeting radar. The search radar looks for interesting stuff — up to 340 miles away — so that the tracking radar can pinpoint the interesting thing and pass that info along to other people in the air defense ecosystem, who can then check it out, shoot at it, or whatever.

    At some point in the 1990s — back when people were flapping their gums about the pros and cons of defending against intercontinental ballistic missiles — during a periodic debate over missile defense, some bright spark observed that not all incoming nuclear missiles were necessarily going to be suborbital vehicles screaming in from space on ballistic trajectories. There's an entire universe of nuclear-armed cruise missiles that you need to pay attention to as well. If you're going to be doing "missile defense" you probably ought to defend against all the missiles — including cruise missiles.



    Read it here : https://news.vice.com/article/the-best-defense-against-cruise-missiles-might-be-this-giant-surveillance-blimp



    Actually i wanted to discuss this stuff here earlier that how come JLENS or PGSS surevillance blimps will pinpoint russian cruise missiles so that their air defenses norad can shoot it down ?

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:39 pm

    Mike E wrote:It's really going to use Yars? I figured the new smaller missile Rubezh RS-26 to be honest... 

    This will scare our politicians for sure. Twisted Evil

    Choo Choo m****ers !! respekt thumbsup



    Yes Mike Russian Nuke Trains will contain 30 YARS ICBM's . russia attack


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150606/1023027838.html

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:10 pm

    you got it wrong . PGSS means Persistent Ground Surveillance Systems . NOT PGS Prompt Global Strike . US thinks it is The Best Defense Against Cruise Missiles . It is a giant surveillance Blimp .It is just like JLENS Joint Land Attack Cruise Missile Defense Elevated Netted Sensor . JLENS is basically a way for folks (like NORAD) to watch for low-flying cruise missiles (a.k.a. exploding drones without round trip tickets) and aircraft .


    So it is a defensive system that flys over your own territory watching for incoming cruise missiles... WTF has that to do with trains carrying ICBMs?

    Do you think the Russians will just let the US move a couple of large airships to operate over their airspace and look for missile trains?

    A train vs an airship sounds like one of those crap US movies... snakes vs crocodiles or sharktapus.... part shark and part octapus...

    The missile armed train would probably have a few S-400s and S-500s on it that could shoot down the air ship...

    JLENS aerostats are deployed in pairs called "orbits." One blimp carries a giant search radar system while the other has high-powered targeting radar. The search radar looks for interesting stuff — up to 340 miles away — so that the tracking radar can pinpoint the interesting thing and pass that info along to other people in the air defense ecosystem, who can then check it out, shoot at it, or whatever.


    So two airships emitting enormous beams of radar waves that any anti radiation missile could spot from enormous distances.... an ARM version of Iskander would be ideal I suspect... especially with a cluster munition warhead...

    Actually i wanted to discuss this stuff here earlier that how come JLENS or PGSS surevillance blimps will pinpoint russian cruise missiles so that their air defenses norad can shoot it down ?


    The Russians have already sold airship based monitoring systems to China for use in mountainous areas... I rather suspect they are working on all sorts of variations...


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:37 pm

    are these  american PGSS JLENS blimps act like russian  manpad igla and verba radars ? 

    gunship democracy mentioned about PGSS .

    Russians sold such similar aerostats to Chinese ? so it means russians did use such blimps for cruise missiles detection ?

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:12 pm

    @Garry

    well, my assumption is that US is preparing to strike first. So thye know when PGS missiles are to strike. The whole concept is based on reaching any point of planet with less then hour. So more less 20,000km/s if my math is correct. PGS are supposed to be cheaper then ICBMs otherwise why to change? In such case you to not need really to know which train is missile one. You cut tracks with explosions in area where train can be and bomb every train you spot. Stil lgood tradeoff if you can eliminate 6x10 nuclear warheads.

    Russia cannot do anything in peace times if missiles will be on orbit as payload of vehicle like X-37 or even X-37 in suicide mission.



    max steel wrote: gunship democracy mentioned about PGSS .


    nope, PGS = prompt global strike missiles.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:24 pm

    no gunship you are wrong . militarization of space is against the treaty and even if usa do so x-37b cant be used to carry nuclear missiles . remember russia tested Buran otv to examine that only whay you said .

    gunship read back your comment you mentioned pgss . pgss is a sensor tech ussa uses to pinpoint cruise missiles fired at them 
     pgs can be done only via hypersonic glider . that glider cant carry nuke warhead both ussa and china were testing their prototypes .

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:41 pm

    You guys need to remember that Russias radar and satellite coverage in terms of detecting missile launches of various types, is world renound. In other words, Russia sees the launches. Much like how they detected Israeli missile launches. If they see a launch and already know trajectory, they will retaliate.

    They will also see cruise missiles as that is what various low/med altitude radars look for besides choppers.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:08 am

    are these  american PGSS JLENS blimps act like russian  manpad igla and verba radars ?

    Don't know much about them to be honest... in comparison the radars that operate with MANPADS teams in Russia are integrated into the IADS and would share and receive information with other assets within the network.

    Clearly they are intending to use airships to reduce costs while maximise loiter time and offer excellent low altitude coverage with an airborne platform... the Russian models sold to china could operate unmanned for about 3 months at a time.

    so it means russians did use such blimps for cruise missiles detection ?

    To cover inaccessible mountainous regions they are ideal and much cheaper than a fixed wing aircraft...

    well, my assumption is that US is preparing to strike first. So thye know when PGS missiles are to strike. The whole concept is based on reaching any point of planet with less then hour. So more less 20,000km/s if my math is correct. PGS are supposed to be cheaper then ICBMs otherwise why to change? In such case you to not need really to know which train is missile one. You cut tracks with explosions in area where train can be and bomb every train you spot. Stil lgood tradeoff if you can eliminate 6x10 nuclear warheads.

    A million kms of tracks why should it matter if a few hundred kms are cut... that wont stop the trains from launching their missiles... the problem is not just to find the missile trains amongst the hundreds of thousands of other trains on the tracks, but you also have to kill those trains before those trains can launch their missiles... which takes less than an hour BTW...


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:11 am

    BTW we are talking about the pros and cons of train based ICBMs... the existence of PGS or otherwise is  not really relevant as they planned to build that system before Russia decided to reactivate their train based ICBMs.

    In other words rail mounted ICBMs are a very difficult threat to deal with if you want a first strike capability and therefore PGS is not an argument against rail mounted ICBMs, it is actually an argument for more difficult to hit deterrents... ie less silos and more rail mobile ground based missiles...


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:23 pm

    I got more info on this Blimp thing , it might help you to clear my doubt as : how Russian cruise missiles can evade them?


    Pentagon Building Cruise Missile Shield To Defend US Cities From Russia

    The military moves to set up an expensive sensor-and-shooter network, but is the threat real ?

    The Pentagon is quietly working yes sir to set up an elaborate network of defenses to protect American cities from a barrage of Russian cruise missiles.

    idea : The plan calls for buying radars that would enable National Guard F-16 fighter jets to spot and shoot down fast and low-flying missiles. Top generals want to network those radars with sensor-laden aerostat balloons hovering over U.S. cities and with coastal warships equipped with sensors and interceptor missiles of their own.

    One of those generals is Adm. William Gortney, who leads U.S. Northern Command, or NORTHCOM, and North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD.



    Earlier this year, Gortney submitted an “urgent need” request to put AESA radars on the F-16s that patrol the airspace around Washington. Such a request allows a project to circumvent the normal procurement process.

    While no one will talk openly about the Pentagon’s overall cruise missile defense plans, much of which remain classified, senior military officials have provided clues in speeches, congressional hearings and other public forums over the past year. The statements reveal the Pentagon’s concern about advanced cruise missiles being developed by Russia.

    “We’re devoting a good deal of attention to ensuring we’re properly configured against such an attack in the homeland, and we need to continue to do so,” Adm. Sandy Winnefeld, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said during a May 19 speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, in Washington.

    In recent years, the Pentagon has invested heavily, with mixed results, in ballistic missile defense: preparations to shoot down long-range rockets that touch the edge of space and then fall toward targets on Earth. Experts say North Korea and Iran are the countries most likely to strike the U.S. or its allies with such missiles, although neither arsenal has missiles of sufficient range so far.

    But the effort to defend the U.S. mainland against smaller, shorter-range cruise missiles has gone largely unnoticed.

    “While ballistic missile defense has now become established as a key military capability, the corresponding counters to cruise missiles have been prioritized far more slowly,” said Thomas Karako, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, in Washington. “In some ways, this is understandable, in terms of the complexity of the threat, but sophisticated cruise missile technologies now out there are just not going away and we are going to have to find a way to deal with this — for the homeland, for allies and partners abroad, and for regional combatant commanders.”

    Intercepting cruise missiles is far different from shooting down a missile of the ballistic variety. Launched by ships, submarines, or even trailer-mounted launchers, cruise missiles are powered throughout their entire flight. This allows them to fly close to the ground and maneuver throughout flight, making them difficult for radar to spot.

    “A handful of senior military officials, including several current or past NORTHCOM commanders, have been among those quietly dinging the bell about cruise missile threats, and it’s beginning to be heard,” Karako said.

    While many of the combatant commanders — the 4-star generals and admirals who command forces in various geographic regions of the world — believe cruise missiles pose a threat to the United States, they have had trouble convincing their counterparts in the military services who decide what arms to buy.


    Fast-track requests like Gortney’s demand for new radars on F-16s have been used over the past decade to quickly get equipment to troops on the battlefield. Other urgent operational needs have included putting a laser seeker on a Maverick missile to strike fast-moving vehicles and to buy tens of thousands of MRAP vehicles that were rushed to Iraq to protect soldiers from roadside bomb attacks.

    Last August, at a missile defense conference in Huntsville, Ala., then-NORTHCOM and NORAD commander Gen. Charles Jacoby criticized the Army and other services for failing to fund cruise missile defense projects. NORTHCOM, based in Colorado, is responsible for defending the United States from such attacks.

    “I’m trying to get a service to grab hold of it … but so far we’re not having a lot of success with that,” Jacoby said when asked by an attendee about the Pentagon’s cruise missile defense plans. “I’m glad you brought that up and gave me a chance to rail against my service for not doing the cruise missile work that I need them to do.”

    But since then, NORTHCOM has been able to muster support in Congress and at the Pentagon for various related projects. “We’ve made a case that growing cruise missile technology in our state adversaries, like Russia and China, present a real problem for our current defenses,” Jacoby said.

    One item at the center of these plans is a giant aerostat called JLENS, short for the Joint Land Attack Cruise Missile Defense Elevated Netted Sensor System. The Pentagon is testing the system at Maryland’s Aberdeen Proving Ground, a sprawling military complex north of Baltimore. Reporters have even been invited to see the tethered airship, which hovers 10,000 feet in the air.


    WORKING: JLENS carries a powerful radar on its belly that Pentagon officials say can spot small moving objects – including cruise missiles – from Boston to Norfolk, Va., headquarters of the U.S. Navy’s Atlantic Fleet. Since it’s so high in the air, it can see farther than ground radars.

    JLENS is in the early stages of a three-year test phase, but comments by senior military officials indicate the Pentagon in considering expanding this use of aerostats far beyond the military’s National Capital Region district.

    “This is a big country and we probably couldn’t protect the entire place from cruise missile attack unless we want to break the bank,” Winnefeld said. “But there are important areas in this country we need to make sure are defended from that kind of attack.”

    New missile interceptors could also play a role in the network too.

    “We’re also looking at the changing-out of the kinds of systems that we would use to knock down any cruise missiles headed towards our nation’s capital,” Winnefeld said.

    Ground-launched versions of ship- and air-launched interceptors could be installed around major cities or infrastructure, experts say. Raytheon, which makes shipborne SM-6 interceptors, announced earlier this year that it was working on a ground-launched, long-range version of the AMRAAM air-to-air missile.

    The improvements make the missiles “even faster and more maneuverable,” the company said in a statement when the announcement was made at the IDEX international arms show in Abu Dhabi in February.



    The Threat

    Driving the concern at the Pentagon is Russia’s development of the Kh-101, an air-launched cruise missile with a reported range of more than 1,200 miles.


    The only nation that has an effective cruise missile capability is Russia,” Gortney said at a March 19 House Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee hearing.

    Russian cruise missiles can also be fired from ships and submarines. Moscow has also developed containers that could potentially conceal a cruise missile on a cargo ship, meaning it wouldn’t take a large nation’s trained military to strike American shores.

    “Cruise missile technology is available and it’s exportable and it’s transferrable,” Jacoby said. “So it won’t be just state actors that present that threat to us.”

    During the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, American and Kuwaiti Patriot missiles intercepted a number of Iraqi ballistic missiles, Karako said. But they missed all five cruise missiles fired, including one fired at Marine headquarters in Kuwait. In 2006, Hezbollah hit an Israeli corvette ship with an Iranian-supplied, Chinese-designed, anti-ship cruise missile, Karako said.

    Shooting down the missiles themselves is a pricy proposition, which has led Pentagon officials to focus on the delivery platform.

    “The best way to defeat the cruise missile threat is to shoot down the archer, or sink the archer, that’s out there,”
    Gortney said at an April news briefing at the Pentagon.

    An existing network of radars, including the JLENS, and interceptors make defending Washington easier than the rest of the country.

    “[T]he national capital region is the easier part in terms of the entire kill chain,” Maj. Gen. Timothy Ray, director of Global Power Programs in the Air Force acquisition directorate, said in March at a House Armed Services Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee hearing. “We remain concerned about the coverage for the rest of the country and the rest of the F-16 fleet.”

    Winnefeld said that the JLENS and “other systems we are putting in place” would “greatly enhance our early warning around the National Capital Region.”

    In an exercise last year, the Pentagon used a JLENS, an F-15, and an air-to-air missile to shoot down a simulated cruise missile. In the test, the JLENS locked on to the cruise missile and passed targeting data to the F-15, which fired an AMRAAM missile. The JLENS then steered the AMRAAM into the mock cruise missile.


    But there are many wild cards in the plans, experts say. While the JLENS has worked well in testing, it is not tied into the NORTHCOM’s computer network.
    It was also tested in Utah where there was far less commercial and civil air traffic than East Coast, some of the most congested airspace in the world. At a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing in March, Gortney acknowledged the project is “not without challenges,” but said that’s to be expected in any test program.

    It is also unclear whether the JLENS over Maryland spotted a Florida mailman who flew a small gyrocopter from Gettysburg, Penn., to the U.S. Capitol lawn in Washington, an hour-long flight through some of the most restricted airspace in the country. The JLENS has been long touted by its makers as being ideal for this tracking these types of slow-moving aircraft.

    Gortney, in an April 29 House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing about the gyrocopter, told lawmakers the JLENS “has more promise” than other aerostat-mounted radars used by the Department of Homeland Security along the border with Mexico and in South Florida. He deferred his explanation to the classified session after the public hearing.

    Experts say JLENS can not just spot but track and target objects like cruise missiles, making it better than other radars used for border security.

    Raytheon has built two JLENS, the one at Aberdeen and another in storage and ready for deployment.

    If a cruise missile were fired toward Washington, leaders would not have much time to react.

    Solving the cruise missile problem even for Washington requires not just interceptors to be put in place, but also redundant and persistent sensors and planning for what to do, given very short response times ", Karako said .


    http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/06/pentagon-building-cruise-missile-shield-defend-us-cities-russia/115723/


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  victor1985 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:38 pm

    Would be a ideea to put some cm of lead on trains making them invulnerable tu nuke attack. Also a very resistant to shock shape would be needed. Laser based weapons whit new batteryes can be mounted on it.

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    Post  victor1985 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:41 pm

    Look a idea. In the future maibe electrons could be isolated kept in a magnetic field and deviate a missile

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    Post  victor1985 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:43 pm

    Or like this: a laser hit the electrons in a material and increase coulombic force such that deviate missiles. Similar to protons

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    Post  victor1985 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:46 pm

    Every tank could have a microwave pulser that continuously increase the coulombic force to armour. Where from the electric curent? From air whit compton effect

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    Post  victor1985 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:49 pm

    And a sistem wich to decrease termic agitation when a temperature and shock hit a material

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    Post  max steel on Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:18 pm

    THIS IS HOW THEY ARE EXPECTING JLENS TO WORK AGAINST RUSSIAN CRUISE MISSILES : to counter that threat, the Pentagon is working to install a high-tech radar system that would track incoming, low-flying missiles. Installed in aerostat balloons over major cities, as well as onboard warships off the coast, the radar would transmit warning signals to F-16 fighter jets if an enemy missile were detected.

    The Pentagon has remained fairly quiet about the details of the missile defense shield, giving little indication of what the total cost would be to the taxpayer. But the cost of other failed defense shield attempts could provide some idea.



    "While ballistic missile defense has now become established as a key military capability, the corresponding counters to cruise missiles have been prioritized far more slowly," Karako said.

      US NOW CAN SHOOT DOWN ALL SRBMS , IRBMS AND MRBMS . NOW THEY ARE GOING FOR
     CRUISE MISSILES .


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    Post  Mike E on Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:53 pm

    They can't shoot down crap...they say they can, that doesn't mean they actually can. 

    Our missiles have performed poorly...against predictable maneuver-less and high-arc ballistic missiles.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:34 pm

    It assumes these enormous airships and national guard F-16s will survive the ICBMs and SLBMs impacting several hours before... not that likely in my opinion...

    For the cruise missiles themselves they could be programmed with a radar emission detector and the first wave could include a few ARM equipped cruise missiles... a 200KT warhead detonating any where near an airship should permanently deal with the problem fairly quickly...


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    Post  George1 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:37 pm

    Foreign companies will not be allowed to develop "missile train"

    In the development of new combat railway missile system involved only Russian contractors, he told reporters on Tuesday, Assistant Commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Igor Denisov.

    MOSCOW, July 21 - RIA Novosti. The development of Russia's new "missile train" the Strategic Missile Forces is the first phase of the five, in co-operation involves only domestic enterprises, told reporters on Tuesday the assistant commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Igor Denisov.

    As reported, the development BZHRK underway, including in response to the program of instant global strike the United States, which suggests the possibility for an hour after the decision to strike objects anywhere on Earth.

    "To date, open a new R & D (development work) BZHRK (combat rail missile system) exclusively Russian cooperation. There are about five stages, today is the first step," - said Denisov.

    BZHRK - a unique missile system that could go on combat patrol routes by 1.5 thousand kilometers from the place of permanent deployment and be alert offline for several months. The lead developer of the complex in Soviet times, it was the design office "South" in Ukraine.

    Start BZHRK missiles could be carried out as with any point on the route, and from the parking areas. Each BZHRK was equipped with three launchers and 12 missiles carrying "Good" (by Western classification - SS-24). Total has been put on combat duty 36 rail-mobile launchers.

    Soviet BZHRK was withdrawn from service in 2005 in connection with the provisions of the Treaty on Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), signed in January 1993 by the Presidents of Russia and the United States George W. Bush and Boris Yeltsin. New START-3 does not prohibit the creation of new missile systems, including BZHRK.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:44 pm

    Russia's railway-based missile system may get radar protection — electronics manufacturer

    The railway-based system armed with Yars inter-continental ballistic missiles may enter duty in Russia in 2019

    ZHUKOVSKY /Moscow Region/, August 26. /TASS/. The Garmon small-size radar may be used to provide protection for the railway-based strategic ballistic missile complex, being recreated in Russia, the first deputy CEO of the radio-electronics concern KRET, Igor Nasenkov, told the media.

    "The radar can be used to provide protection for the most sensitive mobile facilities, for instance, the railway-based strategic missile complex. The Defense Ministry declared the resumption of work on this complex just recently," Nasenkov said.

    Garmon is a batch-produced radar already being supplied to the Russian armed forces.

    The railway-based complex armed with inter-continental ballistic missiles Yars may enter duty in 2019. The strategic missile force expects it will remain operational at least till 2040. Each train will carry six missiles and be equivalent to a regiment in status. Each division of Barguzin trains will consist of five regiments.


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:08 pm

    Rail Phantom: Russia Developing Invisible 'Death Trains' With Nukes

    For the first time since 2005, Russia is set to resume the manufacturing of its "death trains" - covert railway complexes with ballistic missiles - but on a higher technological level which will make them even more untraceable now.

    The Soviet Union decided to produce combat railway missile complexes (BZhRKs) with ballistic missiles in 1969 in response to the US' powerful system of nuclear-capable submarines.

    The USSR operated 12 BZhRKs with three missile launchers each, and it was an efficient and intimidating solution. The vehicles travelled across the system of railroads on the country's vast territory and closely resembled ordinary cargo trains, bringing to naught the capabilities of satellite surveillance.

    As it was impossible to precisely determine the place where they could fire a nuclear missile, they were dubbed as "death" or "phantom" trains.

    In 2005, Russia decommissioned the trains. Ten years later Moscow has decided to embark on the idea again.

    Russian military industry official Viktor Murakhovsky explained the advantages of the next-generation nuke trains:

    "They will not need any specific big cars. They will completely coincide with the existing parameters of railcars and will therefore be completely hidden from a foe's reconnaissance and surveillance. Moreover, the system will enable launches virtually everywhere on the railway bed in contrast with the previous system that required special launch conditions."

    The new project, codenamed "Barguzin," will carry six ICBMs RS-24 Yars (a land equivalent of the submarine-launched Bulava).

    A Russian BZhRK's cars can resist an explosion of a nuclear warhead just several hundred meters away. Such a train can run for a month autonomously and pass up to 1,000 kilometers daily at the speed of nearly 100 kmph.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150926/1027575725/russia-death-phantom-nuclear-train.html#ixzz3mrT4aNpX


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:56 pm

    Mike E wrote:They can't shoot down crap...they say they can, that doesn't mean they actually can. 

    Our missiles have performed poorly...against predictable maneuver-less and high-arc ballistic missiles.

    they did poor or not... Pentagon might lull foes to false sense of security by selling those news? I would not assume that all what we hear is not engineered news Smile



    Rail Phantom: Russia Developing Invisible 'Death Trains' With Nukes

    The new project, codenamed "Barguzin," will carry six ICBMs RS-24 Yars (a land equivalent of the submarine-launched Bulava).

    A Russian BZhRK's cars can resist an explosion of a nuclear warhead just several hundred meters away. Such a train can run for a month autonomously and pass up to 1,000 kilometers daily at the speed of nearly 100 kmph.


    Wow, almost 100km/h and 1000 day? so US intel will not be vigilant about long trains staying 14hrs on track in the middle of nowhere lol!

    BTW not Rubezh but Yars?

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:32 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Mike E wrote:They can't shoot down crap...they say they can, that doesn't mean they actually can. 

    Our missiles have performed poorly...against predictable maneuver-less and high-arc ballistic missiles.

    they did poor or not... Pentagon might lull foes to false sense of security by selling those news? I would not assume that all what we hear is not engineered news Smile


    US has defense system to shoot down all SR,IR,MR Ballistic Missiles because they have predicted path flight . SM-3 , THAAD,PAC-3 . Though SM-3 interception rate will be 20% see the link I shared in another post. PAC-3 is not reliable . Rest are reliable , I wonder how will they intercept cruise missiles though SM-6 can engage with cruise missiles but does Russia posses maneuvering cruise missiles also just like Iskanders ?



    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Wow, almost 100km/h and 1000 day? so US intel will not be vigilant about long trains staying 14hrs on track in the middle of nowhere lol!

    BTW not Rubezh but Yars?


    I wonder if US intel works in Russia that much extensively like current Russian intel works in US . Moreover , during tension they can't destroy those trains . See the post above they are using electronic to protect it from sats and radars

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:14 pm

    Sketches of Russia's railway-based missile system ready — missile force chief

    Earlier reports said the new complex might go operational in 2019

    MOSCOW, December 16. /TASS/. The sketches of Russia’s future railway-based missile complex Barguzin have been finalized and at the moment design documents for its individual parts and components are being developed, the commander of the Strategic Missile Force, Colonel-General Sergey Karakayev, said on Wednesday.

    "Sketches have been completed. Work is in progress on design documents for individual parts and systems," he added.

    "Under the defense minister’s decision of May 6, 2015 the sequence of works to create the complex has been specified. In 2017, a special report is to be submitted to the president regarding the prospects for its deployment," Karakayev said.

    He did not mention when the work on the technical documents might be finalized, the new complex tested and put on duty.

    Earlier, a source in the defense-industrial complex told TASS Barguzin specifications were to be finalized by the middle of 2016. There were reports the new complex might go operational in 2019. Earlier, the strategic missile force commander said Barguzin would remain in service at least till 2040.


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