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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 20, 2016 12:46 pm

    The smaller missiles mean the carriages can be standard rather than special designs.

    Think of the new system as being the equivalent of TOPOL on a standard truck with a standard shipping container on its trailer... or a ship with standard shipping crates... we are talking needle in a haystack of needles...


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri May 20, 2016 2:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:The smaller missiles mean the carriages can be standard rather than special designs.

    Think of the new system as being the equivalent of TOPOL on a standard truck with a standard shipping container on its trailer... or a ship with standard shipping crates... we are talking needle in a haystack of needles...

    RS-26 Rubezh

    a good candidate for IRBM for European Bagruzins?



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    18 March 2015, the defense Ministry announced the successful test of a new ballistic missile RS-26 "Boundary" with a reduced range.

    ....
    "Topol-M" and "YARS" bring in the first case, one in the second - several hypersonic maneuvering nuclear warheads individual guidance within the atmosphere at speeds close to 10 km per second. Modern means of radar systems, missile defense is not see targets flying at speeds of over 5 km per second. Therefore, in the case of Russian missiles, the us missile defense is expensive and useless junk. In this context, the emergence of Russian RS-26 was named in the U.S. Congress, "an unprecedented threat to U.S. national security over the past 30 years."



    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503290853-78tu.htm




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    Weight 20 to 50 Ton , up to 80 Ton max


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    Despite the fact that the official range of the missile at least 6000 km according to the United States the rocket is significantly smaller and lighter ICBM "Topol-M"[2], with less fuel and can run on the order of 2000 km[3] and therefore, according to the United States violates the INF Treaty[4][9][1].


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 21, 2016 8:37 am

    The simplest and fastest way to get an IRBM into service is to take a three stage ICBM and remove one stage... depending on the ICBM and the range required it could be the first or second stage that is removed.

    It would not take much to get a 2,000km range from Iskander... missile technology has improved quite a bit since Scud.

    Weight 20 to 50 Ton , up to 80 Ton max

    So weight between 20 ton and 80 ton.... so really they have no idea... tongue


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  Rmf on Sat May 21, 2016 10:36 am

    http://defense-update.com/20151122_ekv-mokv.html

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Sat May 21, 2016 11:12 am

    Rmf wrote:http://defense-update.com/20151122_ekv-mokv.html

    Using MKV in space is useless - you will have to have hordes of target discrimination radars from different sites operating simultaneously with a hell-knows-what effectiveness. Because in space you cant reliably determine if this is a light well made decoy or a real warhead. Meanwhile a clouds of passive jamming units are said to be a kilometres long. This is why all major BMD-system always have a pretty tough "low-tier" intercepting units, like Gazelle - cause atmosphere is their ally. And if you read MDA papers on their success - they don't even plan to intercept a tough ICBM with a extensive countermeasures system - cause all main BMD component needed to overcome it are either dead or just a shadow of their former self.

    In reality modern MDA-approach suffers from many factors, and even polygon launches are not that successful. Yeah, TGA-issue, glancing blow issue. Massive launch haven't even been tested.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  Rmf on Tue May 24, 2016 7:45 pm

    never the less it increases abm effectiveness....
    i guess thats why russia is working on hypersonic scramjet warhead that works in 50-70 km range... in that area conventional SAM does not work and kinetic interceptors dont work either due to wind and small atmosphere.and lets not forget added benefit of indenpendently targeted warheads who can cover wide areas...

    rail ICBM is good idea, weight of ICBM missiles is 50 tonns and that weight in cargo is best hauled by rail , its nothing for a locomotive and can go around very fast for long time.
    road trucks are not very mobile with combined weights of 70 tonns or more (missile+ truck), on road they can go 50 km/h fast but are detectable ,offroad less but then they are much slower.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Tue May 24, 2016 9:05 pm

    How it increases effectiveness ? Do you know why it was cancelled in first place ? Due to budget restrctions yes but A “bandolier” of eight to 20 miniature interceptors that would destroy missiles and decoys in space concept was made but the technical challenge of creating and launching tiny “kill vehicles” that could find and destroy far heavier warheads in space proved insurmountable. Among many other obstacles, existing ground-based rockets would have had to be retrofitted or replaced. The concept never reached the stage where a test flight could be conducted.

    and till date Raytheon said has only completed the first program planning review with the U.S. Missile Defense Agency on the future Multi-Object Kill Vehicle (MOKV) concept. It seems after 2009 cancellation MDA revived it again under the name Multiple-Object Kill Vehicle Program and awarded contracts to design concepts for the new kill vehicle in 2015 which LM and Raytheon won and they're supposed to come up with a prototype for testing by 2020.


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 25, 2016 2:31 am

    I think it would be smart for US to actually work on what they have first before trying to venture into something that not only will probably not work well, but probably not at all. Currently, their ABM system is abysmal with a spotty chance of shooting down a Scud-B for christ sakes. Scud B. A missile with the most basic trajectory.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  max steel on Wed May 25, 2016 9:51 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I think it would be smart for US to actually work on what they have first before trying to venture into something that not only will probably not work well, but probably not at all.  Currently, their ABM system is abysmal with a spotty chance of shooting down a Scud-B for christ sakes.  Scud B.  A missile with the most basic trajectory.

    Na I won't say that. Their Integrated missile defense system can easily shoot down Scuds if fired on usa territory. Even saudi managaed to intercept scuds using PAC-3 during yemen conflict , not all of them but then there is a difference between export models and an integrated multilayer missile defense system. pwnd

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  Viktor on Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:37 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    missile tests for the new BZHRK can take in the IV quarter 2016

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  Rmf on Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:16 pm

    barguzin>?
    thats a river that flows into lake baikal.

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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:49 pm

    Test of Barguzin rail-mobile ICBM reported

    Russia appears to have conducted the first test of the Barguzin rail-mobile missile in Plesetsk some time in the last week. The first report about the test appeared in a somewhat dubious publication (via Military.ru), it was largely confirmed by a number of other sources. There is no official confirmation, though.

    It appears to be an "ejection test," which tested the mechanism of the missile leaving its launch container (presumably mounted on a rail car, although it is not clear if this test involved an actual rail car). It is still rather far from a working missile, but it's a step in that direction.

    The Barguzin program has a difficult history. It was given a green light in 2014, but then was reported to be suspended. The industry pressed on with "elements of the system" and indeed Yuri Solomonov, the Chief Designer of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology (MITT) promised back in May that the first ejection test will take place "in the beginning of the fourth quarter of 2016."

    This wold be somewhat unusual, but hardly unprecedented for the industry to continue with the development even if the prospect for the ministry of defense's ordering the system are quite uncertain. MITT probably counts on getting an order after all.

    UPDATE 11/04/2016: An anonymous "knowledgeable" source told Interfax that there was no launch from Plesetsk in the past few days. However, the source did confirm that the ejection test will take place before the end of the year.

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2016/11/test_of_barguzin_rail-mobile_i.shtml


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    Re: BZhRK "Barguzin" railway ICBM

    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:24 pm

    Spot Me If You Can: Russia's Brand New Nuke Train to Be Undetectable

    A Russian-made intercontinental ballistic missile outfitted onto the advanced Barguzin rail-based strategic missile complex has successfully passed a pop-up launch test for the first time. Defense analyst Victor Murakhovsky told Radio Sputnik that this unique system is virtually undetectable.

    Murakhovsky mentioned that some have referred to the new complex, which carries up to six RS-24 Yars missiles, as "a sheer nightmare" for foreign intelligence services.

    "I would agree with this since there are no attributes which could be used to detect this rail-based missile complex," he said. "There is a new launching platform and a new combat control system which uses protected digital communication channels. There are new input programs for missions," he detailed.

    The testing took place at the Plesetsk Cosmodrome approximately two weeks ago in early November. It paves the way for full-scale flight development tests.

    "Pop-up launch tests are conducted to determine whether the complex is operational. The missile and the transporter-launcher container were developed some time ago, but the launching platform is a novel solution. The trials are meant to test its performance," the analyst explained.

    The work on the Barguzin is proceeding according to plan, he added. The system is expected to be developed by 2018.

    The Barguzin will be a major upgrade compared to the rail-based strategic missile complexes developed in the Soviet Union. They were removed from operational use in 2005.

    "Soviet-era platforms employed railway cars, different in size from standard rail carriages. The new missile complex fits onto standard rail gauge. The wagons carrying [the recently tested] missiles resemble a freight refrigerator car for instance," he explained.

    Murakhovsky also said that the new system is second to none in the world.
    "The United States was working on a similar program during the Cold War," he said. "There was an idea to lay rail tracks underground and place launching platforms there. Financing was wasted and they did not create anything even remotely resembling the Russian system."

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201611231047745620-russia-yars-barguzin/


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