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    Vlasov's army and foreign SS legions: Ηeroes or traitors?

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    Do you view vlasovtsi and foreighn SS as patriots fighting for a noble cause?

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    Vlasov's army and foreign SS legions: Ηeroes or traitors?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:34 pm

    Do you think Vlasov was fighting for a noble cause or was just a coward  who wanted to save his life by changing sides with an enemy that was butchering and enslaving much of his fellow compatriots?

    What about the foreighn SS legions. In much of eastern  europe they are considered as national heroes and patriots that fought to save europe from the "bolshevik subhuman hordes". Especially in the baltic states theyre heavily worshipped and  and make huge commemoration parades there. Whenever someone says that theyre nazis they everybody shouts at him that hes saying evil communist propaganda and the SS fighters were patriots that fought against  soviet occupiers(interesting because when the germans entered the baltics they didnt make give them independence and just reoccupied them)

    So what do you think: patriots that should be admired or murderous nazi scum?

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    Post  TR1 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:42 pm

    Absolutely not.

    They all deserved death.

    Vlasov and his men basically got screwed by Stalin/High Command, so I can sympathize with the position they found themselves in.
    But frankly, so did many Soviet formations, and they did not join the cause that was butchering its way across Eastern Europe and the USSR, en masse like Vlasov did.

    The baltics can worship their SS liberators to the grave for all I care. Irrelevant region in any case.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:05 am

    The problem is that in troubled times it is surprising who will get into bed with whom.

    Churchill had no love for Stalin, but is reported to have said that when Germany invaded the Soviet Union that Britain would not lose the war. After Germany declared war on the US hw said they would win.

    The point is that until Germany invaded Poland then even the UK wasn't interested in interfering with Nazi Germany.

    Stalin bent over backwards to not provoke Hitler.

    The baltic countries were happy to jump into bed with any force that released them from Soviet hands... the amusing thing is that now Russia is hated for all the crimes of the Soviet Union, but one of the first things the Soviets did was give the Baltic states independence.

    Nazis by their very nature are racist scum.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:11 pm

    Yes and |wonder why the baltics hate only russia and georgia, since stalin and most of his lackeys were georgian hell why dont they hate every single soviet republic, why russia only.

    BTW see Generalplan ost, the baltics fate if the nazis won would be just as grim.

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:41 pm


    The baltics can worship their SS liberators to the grave for all I care. Irrelevant region in any case.

    Why irrelevent region? it blocks a land route to kaliningrad and threatens the region. Not to mention its the perfect location for NATO to start an invasion of russia and can very easily occupy leningrad from there

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    Post  TR1 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:40 pm

    What NATO forces?

    THe Baltic forces are pathetic.
    NATO won't be invading Russia, period.
    Occupying St.Petersburg? With what?
    Any serious attack will be met with nukes, then its game over.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:14 pm

    The situation for NATO would not be great because they would have to decide what to do with Kaliningrad.

    I mean do they mass their forces in the Baltic states and move on Russian territory with enemy forces behind them?

    Of course not, so basically they have to split their forces, and time the attacks... attack one direction and then the other and risk being attacked in the rear before your forces move.

    And of course the obvious problem of nukes... I am sure that while the Russians might balk at the result of tactical nuke explosions in France, Germany, or the UK and what it might mean in terms of retailiation, but would NATO nukes be used if tactical nukes destroy the baltic states and some eastern european capitals?

    Sure, on paper they are unified, but when full scale nuclear war is suicide, and especially if the Baltic or eastern european countries start something then they might not want to pay the price of backing them.

    If the major powers of Europe had had such common sense in the early 20th century perhaps WWI would never have happened, and without WWI then the Soviet revolution and of course WWII might not have happened.

    Well WWII might have just been a war between the British commonwealth and the US on one side and Imperial Japan on the other.

    Without the Nazis and the Holocaust their would probably not be an Israel either.

    What a strange and different world it might be... we might just be getting jet engines now...


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    Post  Russian Patriot on Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:52 am

    Vlasov was a traitor, and will always remain so..

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    Post  Pyrrus on Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:37 pm

    absolutely not. They turned out to be the supporters for the agressors, the army which caused death of millions of Russians. Fighting side by side with them they became responsible for every bestiality done on the Russian (that time Soviet) soil by cooperation. This is nothing but a pure treachery. Nothing can explain their cause.

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    Post  Rodinazombie on Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:26 pm

    I can understand the motivation some felt in volunteering to fight against the soviets, you wouldnt consider europeans who volunteered for finland to fight against the USSR as scum, so i dont think its fair to blanket label everyone who fought in the foreign ss divisions as scum either.

    That said, you cant label them as heroes either, sure there were some heroes who fought cleanly, but the fact remains they were fighting for a monstrous regime that was murdering its way across the continent. Many of them were involved in thst butchery too, take the russians who were involved in the suppression of the warsaw uprising, the men of the galicia division who were awarded iron cross after bravely executing 'partisans', or indeed the ukrainian auxilaries who were a well used (but hardly talked about) tool of the holocaust.

    So despite the ones who genuinely were good, fought cleanly and had decent motivations, their reputation will forever be stained with the blood spilled by their comrades in arms and the regime they fought for.

    As for vlasov and co, they were clearly traitors and got what was coming to them. As horrible as it must have been for them, they knew what the nazis were up to and willingly went along with it, knowing what the result would be for their countrymen and women.



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    Post  NationalRus on Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:42 am

    traitors who "belived" they fight for a noble patriotic couse in ther delision, its were well known in russia and on every programm i watched about ROA on russian TV that most of them had no love for the germans and were only waiting to stab then in the back, at the end they were a bunch blind sheep who got used for germanys goals

    kinda tragic actaully

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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:53 am

    Traitors, though Vlasov's army should be commended for its role in the Prague uprising.

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