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    India will seek to abandon the military imports

    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:53 am

    India will seek to abandon the military imports

    Defense Ministry of India announced the strategy of defense production, which sets new rules for military procurement. The main purpose of the document is to significantly reduce the dependence of the armed forces of India on imports of military equipment. In general, the document describes a new procedure for procurement, but does not stipulate a specific time frame in which the military intend to reduce imports. Despite the fact that the new rules already in force, 2011 promises to be India's record in terms of military imports.

    Foreign is better

    Fighting for the phasing out of military purchases abroad began in India in the spring of 2010. In May last year, Vijay Kumar Saraswat, scientific adviser to India's Defense Minister and head of the Defense Research and Development (DRDO), is responsible for most military projects of the country, asked the military "do not get involved in importing cutting-edge systems." According to him, to the Indian arms industry was able to produce competitive goods, should be actively outsource it to India.

    DRDO, said Saraswat, just not in a position to develop "critical defense technologies" alone - for doing projects for the creation of a particular type equipment or weapons needed investment. "The military must realize that no matter how grew stronger intention to import modern systems, they must also participate in the economic and industrial development of our country," - Saraswat said, adding that no foreign military products can not be localized in such a way as to meet the long-term defense needs of India.

    Shortly before the speech of the scientific adviser to the Minister of Defence of some senior Indian military was criticized DRDO for failing to create modern weapons and equipment that are not only not inferior to foreign models, but would be released within a reasonable timeframe. The main objects of criticism were the projects of development of main battle tank Arjun, which had spent 36 years old, and a fighter Tejas, a program which in early 2010, was extended to 35 years.

    In doing so, Arjun Indian military has repeatedly been accused by the quality of performance, refusing to accept the tank into service for ten years. During testing of the tank regularly detects a problem with something in the drivetrain, the night vision systems, the air conditioning. Initially, the Army planned to replace the Indian Arjun tanks all the T-55 and T-72 Soviet-made, but later reduced the amount of the order up to two thousand units and then - up to 124 units.

    With Arjun in India in general has turned a distinguished history, indicating rather a willful decision of the Ministry of Defence of India not to let the project die. In March, the Indian army conducted a comparative test of T-90 Russian assembly and Arjun. Formal evaluation of tests and has not been released, but soon after testing Indian press was full of reports with reference to the military, which claimed that the Arjun has surpassed T-90 in all respects.

    The whole truth about trials held, and if it becomes known that a very long time. Meanwhile, in mid-May 2010 Indian Army has placed an order for 124 Arjun, but a little earlier announced that T-90 will form the basis of the tank fleet of the country. By some estimates, the Indian military are going to increase the number of T-90 to two thousand units.

    A similar situation arose in and around a light fighter Tejas, development of which started in 1983. The first production aircraft the Indian Air Force received recently - January 10, 2011. In this case, the machine has not yet formally accepted into service - the military intended to test the fighter for combat use. In these circumstances it is not surprising that India prefers to purchase equipment abroad. In 2011, should be declared the results of tenders for supply of 126 medium multi-role fighters and 22 foreign-made attack helicopters.

    In Russia is upgrading the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov for the Indian Navy. The Ministry of Defence of India also holds many tenders for the supply of submarines, unmanned aircraft, transport helicopters and seaplanes. In all the competitions involved foreign companies, including those from Russia. India, incidentally, generally prefer to buy military equipment from Russia: the fighter jets, submarines, frigates ... The list goes on.

    There is, however, and the number of its own Indian research, which conducted a long time. And they are held for the most part because this kind of equipment purchased abroad is difficult, if not impossible. It is a ballistic missile Agni and Prithvi, the interceptor missile AAD, the strategic nuclear submarines of class "Arihant" and the new heavy-duty aircraft carrier class "Vikrant". In this case, the Defense Ministry of India is still considering the purchase of U.S. fighter aircraft Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II for the Navy and Israel - missile defense systems, "David's Sling" (David's Sling) and "Iron Dome" (Iron Dome) for the Air Force.

    A new procurement strategy

    Against this background, the new document, promulgated on January 17, 2011, but entered into force yet Jan. 1, looks at the same time revolutionary, and very strange. Revolutionary strategy, defense production is just in pursuit of the Ministry of Defence to reduce the share of military imports from the current 75 to 25 percent. The strangeness of the same new rules is that they do not actually make a clear idea of further military purchases, given that Indian industry is not ready for an avalanche of military orders, and India itself has managed to agree with such a number of foreign suppliers that the military simply can not import will stop at least another ten years.

    The main provisions of the Strategy of defense production is the priority placement of orders in the military-industrial complex in India. Procedures will be as follows - a special commission of the Ministry of Defense will evaluate the ability of industry to produce one or another military products in a timely manner. If the assessment result is positive, then the order will be placed on Indian enterprises. If negative - India will go to tender on the world market.

    It is curious that the estimate of production time will be based on the average timing of the issuance of similar products by foreign companies. For example, if the production of frigates of Project 11356 (three such ships are built for the Indian Navy in Russia) to take three years, the same term to build similar ships will be installed and for the Indian shipyards. For the purchase of arms and military equipment will be bidding, which will be able to participate and private Indian companies, not just the government, as before.

    Strategy defense production permit the importation of various components, if they are necessary for the defense industry, but their production in India is economically inefficient or inappropriate. In this case, the rules stipulate that all the imported components must be installed by Indian companies in the country. In the case of imports of different products, India would have to receive and production technology.

    In the released document also states that the Ministry of Defence of India will undergo regular sessions on procurement from national companies. The special commission will conduct regular checks, and in general the military will have to actively do paperwork. And everything seems to look right, but it is unclear at what time all the tasks to be implemented. The document does not specify whether the reduced dependence on imports of the armed forces for ten years or twenty. That is, the new rules, in fact, calculated as if the long term.

    Interestingly, that 2011 could become India's record in terms of military imports. According to the Center for Analysis of the global arms trade, in 2010, India imported military equipment to 3.756 billion dollars. For this indicator the country ranked third after the United Arab Emirates (6.71 billion) and Taiwan (4.131 billion dollars). In this case, the final decisions on the purchase of military equipment the Indian government has postponed for 2011.

    In 2007, India has entered into contracts with foreign producers to buy arms worth 4.783 billion dollars in 2008 - at 4.256 billion in 2009 - at 6.933 billion dollars. The volume of imports in 2007-2010 amounted to 19.729 billion dollars. More only the United Arab Emirates - 21.508 billion dollars. With India in 2011 to acquire six U.S. Transport C-17 Globemaster III, in addition to those already booked in 2010, ten such aircraft. Will also decide on the purchase of 126 medium fighter for almost $ 12 billion.

    Furthermore, the Ministry of Defence of India intends to order additional batch of 42 Su-30MKI fighters, whose production will be carried out under license in the country by Hindustan Aeronautics. In autumn 2010, the Government of India has allocated 2.2 billion dollars to buy four U.S. patrol aircraft P-8I Poseidon, in addition to an already purchased eight. In early 2011, will be announced and the winner of the tender for the delivery of 75 training aircraft.

    True, India is still to be commended - leading active procurement of arms and military equipment abroad, the country is trying to negotiate every time and on technology transfer. If such agreement can be reached, the Ministry of Defence of India enters into a contract on the condition that most of the purchased equipment will be collected at Indian plants under license. Thus, provided jobs and support businesses and the economy.

    In January 2011, India began to create a center design of ships for the Navy, which would last 18 months. The fact that this center will be established, in December 2010, Defence Minister of India Arakaparambil Kurian Antony. The new center will design new ships in accordance with the requirements of the Indian Navy. This institution will also be responsible for the release and the first prototypes of ships for testing, after the passage of which the further production of the ships will be transferred to one of the Indian shipyards.

    The amount of funding the project of the center is defined at the level of six billion rupees (133 million dollars). Participation in the project other than the Government of India and the Ministry of Defence, take shipyards Mazagon Docks and Goa Shipyard, as well as the Ministry of Industry in Kerala, where it is the creation of institutions. With the new center will create an educational institution for training personnel to work in the design of ships.

    Assessment Anthony, thanks to a new center of the Indian Navy will be able to eliminate virtually all imports of ships in their future purchases. A similar project is planned to establish centers for other arms of the armed forces of India. So far, only one thing is clear: the country depends on foreign military sales, sharply refuse imports would be almost impossible, but with the unveiling of the new strategy the first step is still done.

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    Re: India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  f-insas on Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:23 pm

    there are many private entities in india like tata ,mahindra ,godrej, reliance ,essar all are vying for diffence sector now and go for aquisition and joint venture,and the new offset policy the the company ,which get contract above 1oo million have to invest 30% of the ammount in the country so not now but in between 10-15 years we can built at least 70% equipment in our country and can save billions of dollar


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    Re: India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:34 am

    between 10-15 years we can built at least 70% equipment in our country and can save billions of dollar

    Sorry to rain on your parade but if you want to save money then you should continue to buy off the shelf from foreign makers.

    The cost of buying a licence for production and then setting up local production and then training a local workforce is enormously more expensive than buying foreign made stuff.

    A good example is currently the New Zealand government wants to invest in the New Zealand railway network which was privatised and stripped and ruined and now has been bought back by the government.
    The first big order for new rail cars... went to China.
    We can make them here, but by buying from China we saved 80 million dollars.
    Of course the politicians making the decisions are thinking short term and think that saving 80 million dollars is a good thing, whereas someone like myself thinks that if we are going to be building up our railway we will need to build up our railway support infrastructure as well so even if it costs an extra 80 million dollars it is worth it because the money is being spent inside the New Zealand economy, wages are paid to New Zealand workers are spend on products in NZ etc etc, plus it creates real jobs... first in construction of the railcars and later in maintainence and support.

    If you want local production forget about saving money and think more about spending money in your own economy and job creation... reversal of brain drain etc etc.

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    Re: India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  f-insas on Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:42 pm

    by billons of dollar means foreign currency and railway and defence production isnt the same . Twisted Evil

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    Re: India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:20 am

    It isn't the same in the sense that we have the capability to make what we need, but foreign production is cheaper so we are saving a small amount of money by spending a very large amount of money in China.

    It is the same in the sense that where foreign companies are offering to sell products they already have the production capacity and tooling and work force and legal rights to produce, then it is cheaper to let them produce it... you will get the product cheaper than if you pay for the production licence and then have to set up production facilities and set up tooling and train a work force and then start producing it locally.

    The difference is that local production is much more expensive.

    A benefit is that you end up with the products you want and the capacity to make more and also to get spare parts and support because all the trained builders are locals.

    You also create jobs and the factories can be located in places of low employment and it can help with that sort of issue as well.

    The money paid in wages is spend in your economy which is also good.

    Once the agreed production lot is finished further production is cheaper in that the infrastructure is in place already. You can also improve things by sourcing local components where possible thereby further making the project more beneficial.

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    India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  ricky123 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:31 am

    the 5 things they talk about in this video

    1: Tejas (they say all good things about it.but this is propoganda channel so i dont know how much is true lol)
    2: CL20 they say only india and USA has this .i cannot imagine russia not having such a thing,so can any1 tell me its story plz
    3:laser guided bomb (sudarshan) i dont know what makes it diff then anyother laser guided bombs
    4:Bhramos missile ( i agree with them on this one ,this is the best)
    5:sukhoi t-50 ( lets see if FGFA will be better or worse then t-50)

    here is the link for the video
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB6g-PhmM-E&feature=g-vrec

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    Re: India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:20 am

    I wouldn't bring up Tejas if I was making any India-power video, honesty.....as a program it is anything but impressive.

    Same with Brahmos, since it is basically repackaged Yakhont. A great weapon no doubt, but if the objective is impressive Indian achievements, surely there is something else, something indigenous to a greater degree?

    Dhruv? One of the new Indian frigates/destroyers (though those have big foreign content- mind you most nations ships have huge imported content)?

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    Post  ricky123 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:50 am


    i agree with u on tejas .there is a lot of work to be done there .but brahmos i think is the best they say it has no counter

    can u plz tell me something about CL20 ?

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    Re: India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  TR1 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:37 pm

    Barhmos definetly has a counter- the newest high performance SAM systems, both land based and sea based, were made with such targets in mind.
    When people say Brahmos has no counter, it is like saying F-22 has no counter, Aegis has no counter, etc....the USSR had supersonic AShMs for years, you can bet the US and its allies worked hard to counter the threat.

    Ofc that doesn't make the Barhmos useless, since its characteristics give it an inherently much smaller intercept window than say a Harpoon. And ofc, not every target is defended by an S-400 or SM-2 battery.
    Also India is using it in the land attack role, so that is interesting as well

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    Post  ricky123 on Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:54 am

    thats why i come here ,always get to learn something new respekt

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    Post  f-insas on Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:40 am

    we have large pvt entitity like tata reliance godrej mahindra ..i have full faith on those mnc they r world class can make world class product in ours country if govt encourage them to do so:) 

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    Re: India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:28 am

    Don't get me wrong... I support local production.

    The extra money spent to make it locally creates an industry that can then grow by offering products for export to countries that don't have that industry and don't or can't afford to invest and develop their own.

    Just don't think it will be cheap... think of it more as an investment in the local economy in terms of finances (injecting lots of money into the local economy) and for creating work.


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    India plans to export Tejas LCA & Brahmos to Vietnam, Venezuela, Indonesia

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:35 am

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/41560912.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst


    Government plans to export BrahMos missiles, Tejas, air defence system to Vietnam, Indonesia and Venezuela

    By Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | 3 Sep, 2014, 04.17AM IST

    NEW DELHI: The Modi government is quietly working on a plan to export defence equipment and armaments produced in India to friendly countries. A beginning could be made by exporting BrahMos missiles to Southeast Asia and South American countries. Vietnam, Indonesia and Venezuela have expressed willingness to procure the supersonic missile jointly produced by India and Russia, sources indicated to ET.

    Indo-Vietnam defence ties are on an upward trajectory and Hanoi has been keen for the last few years to purchase this missile. However, there was no progress under the UPA government on the issue, sources indicated. BrahMos missiles have been inducted in all three defence services. The inter-governmental agreement between India and Russia for development of BrahMos missile (290-kmrange) also stipulates use of this advanced system to be inducted into the Indian and Russian armed forces as well as export top friendly countries.


    Vietnam and Russia are partners since the days of the Cold War and it can use Russian made defence equipment. India will sign an agreement for supplying defence equipment to Vietnam, during President Pranab Mukherjee's trip from September 14-17. India and Indonesia also share good defence ties that encompasses training and defence exercises.

    Recently, Prime Minister narendra Modi had stated that India should move towards self-reliance in producing military weapons and systems and also look for exporting them to friendly nations.

    The idea for defence co-development and joint production is not only to obtain cutting-edge technology and self-sufficiency in the long run but also export jointly developed products. So far, India depends on imports for meeting over 65% of its weapons requirement and has been branded as largest importer of arms by international think tanks. India could also export indigenously developed 'Tejas' - Light Combat Aircraft, 'Akash' - air defence system and 'Prahar' class of missiles to friendly countries. Tejas is a lightweight, multi-role, single-engine tactical fighter aircraft.

    Akash, a surface-to-air missile, has a range of 25 km. Prahar is a 150 km-range tactical missile system. Several countries have shown interest in the Akash missile system, which was ready to be inducted into the Army. LCA is likely to be ready for induction into IAF by the end of this year after attaining the final operational clearance. Sources also claim that Indian weapon systems are cheaper than Chinese systems.

    While India does not a formal defence exports policy, it had earlier exported rifles to Nepal and Oman, besides supplying defence equipment to Myanmar including tanks, radars to Sri Lanka, defence equipment to Maldives, maritime patrol boats to Mauritius and defence spare parts to Vietnam.

    India's current norm for defence exports involve supplies not only to friendly countries but also to countries which do not have civil war. "We do not want a situation where arms supplied by us is used by one group against another within the boundary of one country.


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    Re: India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  Mike E on Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:15 pm

    Wow, I'm pretty impressed... India seems to have one of the fastest growing MICs in the world!

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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:20 pm

    China won't be happy with Vietnam buying Brahmos...

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    Post  Mike E on Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:23 pm

    They'll get over it... Besides, had they established better relations with India......

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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:40 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:China won't be happy with Vietnam buying Brahmos...

    I think China can not give much of a f*ck about what Vietnam buys...Vietnam has no capability to engage on China even if they buy 1000 Brahmos.

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    Post  Mike E on Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:44 pm

    Or a million for that matter.... Laughing

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    Re: India's Power - growing MIC

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:09 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    Flyingdutchman wrote:China won't be happy with Vietnam buying Brahmos...

    I think China can not give much of a f*ck about what Vietnam buys...Vietnam has no capability to engage on China even if they buy 1000 Brahmos.

    Vietnam has no intention to actively engage China. It simply wants to deliver the message "if you dare to step in my territories, I have more than enough means to teach you a hard lesson, no matter how big you are".

    The problem is that Vietnameses still have always been skeptic about China's activities in the East Sea.

    (sorry I'm a Vietnamese)

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    Post  Mike E on Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:28 am

    China has always wanted to expand, but I think that they've learned their lesson...

    What country wouldn't be!

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:24 pm

    A scorpion is a tiny little insect that any larger animal could dominate and crush on a whim... even those little pincers it has wont do much to a large animal... but that barbed sting in its tail makes even large animals wary of the Scorpion and stay well clear of it when they can.

    Perhaps Brahmos can be Vietnams Sting... Twisted Evil



    Personally I think it is very important for little countries to have effective stings... so many big countries have gotten their way so easily it has become habit to think only of ones own needs and ignore the little guys... Brahmos will make the big guys take note...


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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:14 pm

    GarryB wrote:A scorpion is a tiny little insect that any larger animal could dominate and crush on a whim... even those little pincers it has wont do much to a large animal... but that barbed sting in its tail makes even large animals wary of the Scorpion and stay well clear of it when they can.

    Perhaps Brahmos can be Vietnams Sting... Twisted Evil



    Personally I think it is very important for little countries to have effective stings... so many big countries have gotten their way so easily it has become habit to think only of ones own needs and ignore the little guys... Brahmos will make the big guys take note...

    Well yes, bigger countries and more powerful countries don't want to lose their face on international stage when they lose some military units or operations against some smaller countries and at the same time it doesn't look to good attacking or having disputes with military involvement with smaller countries, but in the case of China they could pretty much do what they wanted without of much of backlash from international political,economical or military since let's face it they own US/EU, no industrial country can survive not buying and exploiting chinese labor. They moved thousands of companies over to china and china posses already so many companies they just could federalize all those foreign companies and take over all technologies and products and you will end up losing half your economical income you willingly gave china from an US/EU position.

    If they really wanted they could crush Vietnam without much of resistance from global stage.

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    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:32 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    If they really wanted they could crush Vietnam without much of resistance from global stage.

    Global stage will not give much resistance, but Vietnam will. Vietnam never wants wars, but knows how to create nightmare for the invaders.

    The only way for China to make Vietnam submit, is simply killed all 77 millions of Vietnamese in this world. If it dares to.

    But the most important things is that, Vietnam NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER wants to make a war with China. So basically the Brahmos serves as an iconic message at most.

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    Post  Mike E on Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:09 pm

    Just look at what the Viet Cong did in NAM'. They came up with every improvised weapon you could ever dream of, and kicked our butts!

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 06, 2014 12:16 pm

    If they really wanted they could crush Vietnam without much of resistance from global stage.

    Not really.

    It all depends on what either side is prepared to give up for victory.. in the Vietnam war against France and then the US (and allies... including New Zealand and Australia and Canada) it was pretty clear the Vietnamese were prepared to give up everything including their lives for the future of their children and their childrens children. Most in the west have forgotten that sort of level of dedication and are used to have countries cave in over minor sanctions.


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