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    Re: Iraq turns its eye on Russian weapons

    Post  Godric on Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:15 pm

    according to sputnik it's the T-90MS variant and seemingly they have ordered a number of support vehicles the BMPT-72

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201707201055727641-russia-iraq-t-90-tanks/

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    Post  iraqidabab on Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:20 pm

    So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?
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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:35 am

    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201707221055790609-russia-iraq-t-90-tank-deal/

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    Post  iraqidabab on Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:04 am

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    -New helicopters for army aviation
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    I think MI-17v5 which they were planning more of.
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    Post  Godric on Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:44 am

    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS and Terminator 2s

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:05 pm

    Godric wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS and Terminator 2s

    from my understanding Iraq never ordered T90MS or Terminator. sadly.

    As I know Iraq has pending orders for T90S, BMP-3M and MSTA-S since 2014.
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    Post  Godric on Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:17 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    Godric wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS and Terminator 2s

    from my understanding Iraq never ordered T90MS or Terminator. sadly.

    As I know Iraq has pending orders for T90S, BMP-3M and MSTA-S since 2014.

    well they have now it is the T-90MS they have ordered

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:24 pm

    Godric wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    Godric wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS and Terminator 2s

    from my understanding Iraq never ordered T90MS or Terminator. sadly.

    As I know Iraq has pending orders for T90S, BMP-3M and MSTA-S since 2014.

    well they have now it is the T-90MS they have ordered  

    are you sure about that? the official uralvagonzavod release states that Iraq is receiving T90S.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:46 pm

    interesting to note that Iraq is buying new thermal sights from leonardo DRS for its remaining 125 Abrams tanks (out of 146 delivered)... the "old" 2nd generation thermal cameras from the M1A1s would then be free to be used to upgrade some existing tanks in the iraqi arsenal (I presume some of the T72M1s that Iraq bought from Czech Republic and Bulgaria).

    That would give the Iraqi army a nice fleet of relatively capable tanks:

    125-140 upgrade T72M1s with hand me down sights from the Abrams
    125 M1A1 Abrams with improved sights
    150 T90S MBTs newly delivered from Russia
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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:38 pm

    Russia starts T-90S main battle tank deliveries to Iraq

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/975743

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:21 am

    iraqis on the internet are reporting that this is an Iraqi T90 at uralvagonzavod...

    it has the same cammo as the T90 chassis of Iraq's TOS-1A.

    It seems to incorporate features from T90S and some from T90MS


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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:57 pm

    the first T90S tanks arrive in Iraq.

    http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1968&start=90







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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:09 pm

    Iraq received the first batch of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3?

    According to the Algerian resource "MenaDefense" in the material "BMP 3 for Iraqi army", the Iraqi army received a batch of about 10 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles of Russian origin, which went in a package with the delivery of T-90S / SC tanks. Iraq has recently received the first batch of 10 T-90S / SC tanks, as our blog has already reported.

    Sources of the Algerian resource confirmed that the first shipment of BMP-3 will be followed by new supplies. In 2015, Russia and Iraq signed a contract for the purchase of about 500 BMP-3. Also, the resource notes that in 2015 Saudi Arabia ordered 900 cars, but the contract has not yet been finalized.

    According to the resource, the operational experience of BMP-3 in the UAE led to the creation of a modification of the "Dragoon" with the front engine and the ramp at the rear.

    UPD: One Iraqi source claims that there are 19 cars in the first batch of BMP-3 that arrived in Iraq.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3098358.html

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:27 pm

    http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:03 am

    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia
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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:43 pm

    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:58 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Its a question of money. Iraq doesn't have much of it. The Ministry of defence's 2018 arms purchase budget is about $700M! So unless someone offers a massive economic offset or loan deal, then they can dream of all the fighter jets that they want... but it won't happen.

    Similarly, I don't think Russia objects to selling S-400 to Iraq, and Iraq certainly wants it. In reality, however I expect Iraq to end up with Chinese SAMs purely due to the financing that the Chinese offer.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:24 am

    Rostec has their own bank system that is being used now for defense purchases in the future. in other words, they can provide the loan to Iraq for it. Russia wont pass up on a deal, since they have a lot to gain from it.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:24 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Su-30 and Su-24M2 with gefest is enough for Iraq maybe some mig -29M2. And upgrade it's Su-25 to SM3. Possibly some armed yak-130 Could bolster it's L-159.

    1 squadron of Su -30SM
    1 squadron of Su -24M2
    1 squadron of mig -29M2
    Su-25 upgraded to SM3
    Some additional armed yak -130 and armed scout such as ansat 2RC. Add this to their current F-16, L-159 cessna 208, T6 Texan, gazelles, mi-28, and mi-35. You have a capable airforce enough for iraqi needs. Couple that with the potential purchase of S-400 and the pantsir and avenger that they have already and possibly buy some Buk and your done. The iraqi's need more ground attack that air defence and interceptor there isn't a massive threat from the air so what I've mentioned above I think is enough.

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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:02 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Su-30 and Su-24M2 with gefest is enough for Iraq maybe some mig -29M2. And upgrade it's Su-25 to SM3. Possibly some armed yak-130 Could bolster it's L-159.

    1 squadron of Su -30SM
    1 squadron of Su -24M2
    1 squadron of mig -29M2
    Su-25 upgraded to SM3
    Some additional armed yak -130 and armed scout such as ansat 2RC. Add this to their current F-16, L-159 cessna 208, T6 Texan,  gazelles, mi-28, and mi-35. You have a capable airforce enough for iraqi needs. Couple that with the potential purchase of S-400 and the pantsir and avenger that they have already and possibly buy some Buk and your done. The iraqi's need more ground attack that air defence and interceptor there isn't a massive threat from the air so what I've mentioned above I think is enough.


    1 S-400 is 500 millions dollars. They can't go for both air defence and fighters. USA have took all their money, the country is totally democratized (i.e destroyed) and the official organs of the government are totally corrupted.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:01 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Su-30 and Su-24M2 with gefest is enough for Iraq maybe some mig -29M2. And upgrade it's Su-25 to SM3. Possibly some armed yak-130 Could bolster it's L-159.

    1 squadron of Su -30SM
    1 squadron of Su -24M2
    1 squadron of mig -29M2
    Su-25 upgraded to SM3
    Some additional armed yak -130 and armed scout such as ansat 2RC. Add this to their current F-16, L-159 cessna 208, T6 Texan,  gazelles, mi-28, and mi-35. You have a capable airforce enough for iraqi needs. Couple that with the potential purchase of S-400 and the pantsir and avenger that they have already and possibly buy some Buk and your done. The iraqi's need more ground attack that air defence and interceptor there isn't a massive threat from the air so what I've mentioned above I think is enough.


    You forgot about the FA-50s they have.

    so their fleet is something like:
    34x F16b52 (supplied with 20,000 LGBs! - but no amraam)
    24x FA-50s (which are compatible with above LGBs)
    12x L-159s (using dumb bombs only as of now, but capable of firing some mavericks)
    5x AC-208s (with about 5000x Hellfires)
    24x SU-25s (unguided rockets and bombs)

    in addition they have army aviation with the following armed helicopters:
    25x Mi35M
    15x Mi28Ne / UB
    27x EC-635
    45x IA-407
    70x Mi17 / 171
    12x CH-4B UCAVs

    so they're pretty comfortable with the "attack" assets.

    what they lack is air defence.

    Within that context they'd need the ability to have 2 interceptors at the 5 operational sectors. (10x interceptors available at any one time)
    To achieve that, they'd need about 24 new fighter interceptors at a minimum.

    In addition at least one Long range SAM battery at each sector.

    So:
    24x SU-35
    5x S-400 batteries
    5x Russian origin long range radars

    about $6Bn or so in total?
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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:28 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:[
    So:
    24x SU-35
    5x S-400 batteries
    5x Russian origin long range radars

    about $6Bn or so in total?

    Much more with equipment and training ...I didn't know they had f-16 without air to air capabilities. How much did USA made them pay ? It wouldn't surprise me if it was 20 or 30 billion ...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:28 pm

    MiG-35 would be ideal for Iraq
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    Post  medo on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:46 pm

    George1 wrote:MiG-35 would be ideal for Iraq

    Agree. Iraq should buy 50 MiG-35 like Egypt did, together with R-77-1 missiles. MiG-35 would be for air defense role and F-16 for ground attack role.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:16 pm

    MiG35 could work. It depends really. I don't think they need 50 aircraft though. That's way beyond their budget.

    If they get 36 aircraft split into 2 squadrons. and have detachments of 4x per Sector Operations Command it could work.
    So 20 aircraft operational in the sectors.
    16 aircraft at the "main operating base".

    That way they can maintain either CAP or Alert with 2 jets guaranteed per sector 24x7. Which would be the bare minimum for air defence.

    The idea being that 2 jets will be ready to intercept intruders at the border from the nearby forward base, and additional jets can be scrambled from central Iraq in the meantime


    In the past the layout was as follows:
    MiG21 / MiG23 / Mirage-F1 "point defence" interceptors strewn around forward bases.
    MiG25 in Central Iraq - as the "strategic backup"



    So if the Iraqis want to recreate a similar scenario:
    F-16IQ / MiG35 as "point defence" interceptors from forward bases
    SU-35 or MiG31 or SU-57 From Baghdad as "strategic Backup"


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