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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:24 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Su-30 and Su-24M2 with gefest is enough for Iraq maybe some mig -29M2. And upgrade it's Su-25 to SM3. Possibly some armed yak-130 Could bolster it's L-159.

    1 squadron of Su -30SM
    1 squadron of Su -24M2
    1 squadron of mig -29M2
    Su-25 upgraded to SM3
    Some additional armed yak -130 and armed scout such as ansat 2RC. Add this to their current F-16, L-159 cessna 208, T6 Texan, gazelles, mi-28, and mi-35. You have a capable airforce enough for iraqi needs. Couple that with the potential purchase of S-400 and the pantsir and avenger that they have already and possibly buy some Buk and your done. The iraqi's need more ground attack that air defence and interceptor there isn't a massive threat from the air so what I've mentioned above I think is enough.

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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:02 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Su-30 and Su-24M2 with gefest is enough for Iraq maybe some mig -29M2. And upgrade it's Su-25 to SM3. Possibly some armed yak-130 Could bolster it's L-159.

    1 squadron of Su -30SM
    1 squadron of Su -24M2
    1 squadron of mig -29M2
    Su-25 upgraded to SM3
    Some additional armed yak -130 and armed scout such as ansat 2RC. Add this to their current F-16, L-159 cessna 208, T6 Texan,  gazelles, mi-28, and mi-35. You have a capable airforce enough for iraqi needs. Couple that with the potential purchase of S-400 and the pantsir and avenger that they have already and possibly buy some Buk and your done. The iraqi's need more ground attack that air defence and interceptor there isn't a massive threat from the air so what I've mentioned above I think is enough.


    1 S-400 is 500 millions dollars. They can't go for both air defence and fighters. USA have took all their money, the country is totally democratized (i.e destroyed) and the official organs of the government are totally corrupted.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:01 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Su-30 and Su-24M2 with gefest is enough for Iraq maybe some mig -29M2. And upgrade it's Su-25 to SM3. Possibly some armed yak-130 Could bolster it's L-159.

    1 squadron of Su -30SM
    1 squadron of Su -24M2
    1 squadron of mig -29M2
    Su-25 upgraded to SM3
    Some additional armed yak -130 and armed scout such as ansat 2RC. Add this to their current F-16, L-159 cessna 208, T6 Texan,  gazelles, mi-28, and mi-35. You have a capable airforce enough for iraqi needs. Couple that with the potential purchase of S-400 and the pantsir and avenger that they have already and possibly buy some Buk and your done. The iraqi's need more ground attack that air defence and interceptor there isn't a massive threat from the air so what I've mentioned above I think is enough.


    You forgot about the FA-50s they have.

    so their fleet is something like:
    34x F16b52 (supplied with 20,000 LGBs! - but no amraam)
    24x FA-50s (which are compatible with above LGBs)
    12x L-159s (using dumb bombs only as of now, but capable of firing some mavericks)
    5x AC-208s (with about 5000x Hellfires)
    24x SU-25s (unguided rockets and bombs)

    in addition they have army aviation with the following armed helicopters:
    25x Mi35M
    15x Mi28Ne / UB
    27x EC-635
    45x IA-407
    70x Mi17 / 171
    12x CH-4B UCAVs

    so they're pretty comfortable with the "attack" assets.

    what they lack is air defence.

    Within that context they'd need the ability to have 2 interceptors at the 5 operational sectors. (10x interceptors available at any one time)
    To achieve that, they'd need about 24 new fighter interceptors at a minimum.

    In addition at least one Long range SAM battery at each sector.

    So:
    24x SU-35
    5x S-400 batteries
    5x Russian origin long range radars

    about $6Bn or so in total?
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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:28 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:[
    So:
    24x SU-35
    5x S-400 batteries
    5x Russian origin long range radars

    about $6Bn or so in total?

    Much more with equipment and training ...I didn't know they had f-16 without air to air capabilities. How much did USA made them pay ? It wouldn't surprise me if it was 20 or 30 billion ...
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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:28 pm

    MiG-35 would be ideal for Iraq
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    Post  medo on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:46 pm

    George1 wrote:MiG-35 would be ideal for Iraq

    Agree. Iraq should buy 50 MiG-35 like Egypt did, together with R-77-1 missiles. MiG-35 would be for air defense role and F-16 for ground attack role.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:16 pm

    MiG35 could work. It depends really. I don't think they need 50 aircraft though. That's way beyond their budget.

    If they get 36 aircraft split into 2 squadrons. and have detachments of 4x per Sector Operations Command it could work.
    So 20 aircraft operational in the sectors.
    16 aircraft at the "main operating base".

    That way they can maintain either CAP or Alert with 2 jets guaranteed per sector 24x7. Which would be the bare minimum for air defence.

    The idea being that 2 jets will be ready to intercept intruders at the border from the nearby forward base, and additional jets can be scrambled from central Iraq in the meantime


    In the past the layout was as follows:
    MiG21 / MiG23 / Mirage-F1 "point defence" interceptors strewn around forward bases.
    MiG25 in Central Iraq - as the "strategic backup"



    So if the Iraqis want to recreate a similar scenario:
    F-16IQ / MiG35 as "point defence" interceptors from forward bases
    SU-35 or MiG31 or SU-57 From Baghdad as "strategic Backup"


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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:22 pm

    Isos wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:[
    So:
    24x SU-35
    5x S-400 batteries
    5x Russian origin long range radars

    about $6Bn or so in total?

    Much more with equipment and training ...I didn't know they had f-16 without air to air capabilities. How much did USA made them pay ? It wouldn't surprise me if it was 20 or 30 billion ...

    The great thing about Russian equipment and training is that its "normally priced" and "rational"... for example Iraqis maintain their VK-2500 engines and associated helicopters (Mi171sh / Mi35M / Mi28Ne), similar for their SU-25s... meanwhile simple things like the Cessna Caravan result in getting gouged by the US who deliberately undertrain Iraqis to maintain control over operations.

    Iraq paid about $8Bn for 36x F-16s including training and 20 years support. They came with 36x designator / EO pods, Recon Pods, ECM pods etc...
    The US donated 20,000 LGBs to the Iraqis as well as 5000 HELLFIREs though.

    The case being, Iraqis pay inflated prices for US equipment... and US gives "aid" in support. But keeps the Iraqis ignorant about the systems and tied in to the US to keep the aircraft flying.

    Same story with Abrams...
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    Post  Isos on Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:47 pm

    I just though about something. USA won't really let Iraq get S-400 because they could detect Israeli bombers in case they try to bomb Iran. Iraq is now kinda close to Iran and its unlikely they don't help them against sionists who spend last 20 years to destroy their country.
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    Post  George1 on Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:03 pm

    Russia to equip Iraqi armored brigade

    Iraq is Russia's traditional partner, presidential aide for military and technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin noted

    MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. Russia is supplying equipment to one of Iraqi armored brigades, presidential aide for military and technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin said on Monday.

    "Iraq is our traditional partner and it has been boosting its potential by ordering our equipment. Today we are equipping there an entire armored brigade, our equipment is supplied there," Kozhin told the Rossiya 24 TV channel.

    Iraqi Chief of General Staff Osman Ganimi said on February 20 that Iraq’s Defense Ministry had received the first batch of 36 T-90 S tanks under a military contract with Russia. By late April, the country will receive another 37 vehicles as part of the contract with the aim of "increasing combat capacity of armored troops."


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/993528
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:16 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia to equip Iraqi armored brigade

    Iraq is Russia's traditional partner, presidential aide for military and technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin noted

    MOSCOW, March 12. /TASS/. Russia is supplying equipment to one of Iraqi armored brigades, presidential aide for military and technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin said on Monday.

    "Iraq is our traditional partner and it has been boosting its potential by ordering our equipment. Today we are equipping there an entire armored brigade, our equipment is supplied there," Kozhin told the Rossiya 24 TV channel.

    Iraqi Chief of General Staff Osman Ganimi said on February 20 that Iraq’s Defense Ministry had received the first batch of 36 T-90 S tanks under a military contract with Russia. By late April, the country will receive another 37 vehicles as part of the contract with the aim of "increasing combat capacity of armored troops."


    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/993528

    Just T-90 or other vehicles I remember there was a rumour of bmp-3
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    Post  dino00 on Wed May 15, 2019 2:05 pm

    Iraq to purchase Russia's S-400 missile systems

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1058382
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed May 15, 2019 2:14 pm

    dino00 wrote:Iraq to purchase Russia's S-400 missile systems

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1058382

    Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect
    Clearly someone else is paying for this, so they can get access to this system.
    Russia would best not do this, unless they want to compromise all their allies.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed May 15, 2019 2:55 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Iraq to purchase Russia's S-400 missile systems

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1058382

    Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect
    Clearly someone else is paying for this, so they can get access to this system.
    Russia would best not do this, unless they want to compromise all their allies.

    It won't.

    The way it's designed, as they said, they could sell to the US and it won't compromise. Signals frequency and friend or for info won't be the same thus won't compromise anything.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed May 15, 2019 9:20 pm

    IRAQ Yet To Make Decision On Purchase Of S-400 From Russia - Ambassador

    "There is no information that there are talks or that talks are at some stage ... If the government decides to buy these systems, it will be Iraq's sovereign affair and will depend on its needs".

    https://www.urdupoint.com/en/world/iraq-yet-to-make-decision-on-purchase-of-s-40-622117.html

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu May 16, 2019 3:39 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    dino00 wrote:Iraq to purchase Russia's S-400 missile systems

    More:
    http://tass.com/defense/1058382

    Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect
    Clearly someone else is paying for this, so they can get access to this system.
    Russia would best not do this, unless they want to compromise all their allies.

    You've been here on this forum long enough to know better:

    1.) Iraq is aligned with who? Iran, which is aligned with Russia and China.

    2.) Robosexport was willing to sell even to the Saudi's, which means they've taken plenty of measures. Besides for all we know later model domestic S-400's maybe closer to S-500, but it'll never be advertised. NATO still struggles with even Slovakian S-300pmu's (comparable to the ancient S-300ps, its even the export version).
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    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:06 pm

    The second batch of BMP-3 has been delivered to Iraq

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