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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:01 pm

    Would you transfer the whole bmp-3 turret or just the 100mm gun. I am actually surprised Russia hasnt offered the turret as upgrade package for T-55 customers.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:50 pm

    Protection level of the BMP turret is not really high enough.

    I seem to remember that the T-54/T-55 had space in the front hull for two crew originally with a bow machine gun and bow machine gunner arrangement.

    With modern optics and a two man crew sitting in the front hull with existing hull armour with an extra layer of ceramic armour and perhaps a decent ERA or NERA layer and of course an active defence system should be plenty of protection.

    A reshaped turret with superior optics and the 100mm rifled main gun replaced with a 100mm rifled medium pressure gun and a 30mm cannon but with the turret area filled with ammo... on the BMP-3 the turret ring held 40 rounds of 100mm ammo with 8 missiles and 500 30mm cannon shells in the turret along with 2,000 rounds for the coaxial MG.

    I would say with two crewmen not in the turret a double load should be easily possible with 80 rounds of 100mm HE shells, and 1,000 rounds of 30 x 165mm ammo and 16 guided missiles, plus 4,000 MG rounds.

    I would also add a roof mounted remote weapons station either for a 30mm or 40mm grenade launcher.

    A bit like a well protected IFV without troop carrying capacity.

    In most cases it will be vastly more use than any tank which is better suited to taking on enemy equivalents of a MBT, this vehicle would be ideal for taking on enemy troops and medium to light vehicles most of the time and also light enemy aircraft with the capability to engage enemy armour too (with ATGMs).
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:00 pm

    Sounds like a good plan for T-55. I have always thought that there is still a good use for T54/55 T-62 T-64 even the Syrians found a use for there old T-34 by mounting D-30 on it. The Cubans seem to be good at doing that sort of thing with old guns even a Btr -60 with T-55 turret. Many old artillery pieces have ended up on various vehicles. Btr60/70/80 and btr-50 as well as Bmp-1, MT-LB, Btr-152, Btr-40, brdm 1 & 2 T-34 are all still viable platforms. And all the various artillery, anti air guns, mortars are all enough to mount. I always thought a SP 160 mm could be a good option mounted in a btr 50 open the hatches mortar flips up and then ready for action. Also double barrelled 76 and or 85 mm artillery guns would be great still reasonable range and the lack of fire power would be negated by the high rate of fire from double barrels this would havoc on light armour and troops on the ground imagine that vehicle could fire 50 rounds per minute of 76mm (25 rpm from one barrel) or 40 rpm of 85mm of course and auto loader system would have to be installed but if think if these vehicles existed and what a group of 8-12 vehicles could do. 12 vehicles mounted with double 76mm for instance could fire 600 rounds in 1 minute and if fired against troops out in open ground or in soft cover that's certain death. It's just an idea of course Smile
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:45 am

    Actually it has been improvements in armour that has led to light calibres being withdrawn steadily from front line use... an example is the British Abbot in 105mm calibre... a calibre widely used by Germany in WWII as an artillery piece.

    It has largely been rendered obsolete by improvements in Soviet and now Russian armour levels, but the point is that the level of armour protection on Russian IFVs and MBTs etc etc has no relevance for a country like Iraq or Nigeria for that matter. The opponents they might fight will not have helmets and flak vests and wont move around in much more than trucks, so smaller calibres have benefits in terms of ammo size and weight and amount of ammo ready to fire and also in terms of recoil and support and supply.

    I don't think that double barrel guns are really that great an idea as the weight of a extra barrel would be enormous and the added loading mechanism and stabilisation and laying equipment would fill the turret and add costs and weight.

    I think investing in an auto loading/ammo handling system to increase rate of fire for the existing single gun and some sort of cooling system to allow sustained fire would make more sense.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:00 pm

    Iraqi Ministry of Defence spokesman announced that Iraq will soon announce a large arms purchase agreement to expand and diversify the military.

    The following items were mentioned:
    -modern fighter jets
    -New helicopters for army aviation
    -Modern Battle Tanks
    -New Armoured Fighting Vehicles
    -New Air defence systems

    The spokesman did not mention anything about types. But the keyword that Iraq is seeking alternative suppliers hints that the new equipment will have a Russian or Chinese origin.

    Anyway, many such contracts have been negotiated and signed in the past and stumbled on financing... so we shall see what happens.
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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:01 am

    Russia to supply big batch of tanks to Iraq, confirms Russian presidential aide russia

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:14 pm

    The fact of signing a contract for the delivery of T-90S tanks to Iraq was confirmed

    As Yegor Sozaev-Guryev explains in an article "The Kremlin confirmed the sale of the T-90 to Iraq" in today's issue of the newspaper Izvestia, the Iraqi armed forces will acquire Russian T-90 tanks that have proven themselves in combat operations in Syria. The fact of signing a contract between Russia and Iraq to Izvestia was confirmed by Vladimir Kozhin, the presidential aide on military-technical cooperation. In the expert environment, the contract was valued at $ 1 billion, and the number of tanks was several hundred.

    - A decent contract for a large lot, I can not name a specific amount, the number [of tanks] is large, "Vladimir Kozhin told Izvestia.

    Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Iraq reported on the purchase of the T-90 - it was about the supply of more than 70 tanks. In this case, according to Izvestia, this is only the first batch of equipment, followed by others. However, in the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, where Izvestia appealed for comments, they did not disclose details of the deal.

    At the same time, experts say that since Soviet times contracts with Iraq have always assumed a large volume of supplied products with high added value.
    - In this case, we can talk about the delivery of several hundred cars, and the amount of the contract may exceed $ 1 billion. This order is a great help for Uralvagonzavod. In addition, this contract is a serious foreign policy success of Russia. After all, the Americans fought in Iraq, and the choice of the Iraqi military eventually fell on the Russian tank, "said Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, in a conversation with Izvestia.

    According to the expert, after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi military decided to abandon the acquisition of tanks of Soviet and Iraqi production. T-90 attracted their attention after the outbreak of hostilities in Syria and Iraq, where the terrorists successfully dealt with the Turkish Leopards (used during Operation Euphrates Shield) and the American Abrams that are in service with the Iraqi army. Russian combat vehicles have shown themselves well during the Syrian conflict, the expert said. In particular, the Syrian government troops used the T-90 model of 1992 - and there are cases when this equipment could withstand several hits in a row.

    The fact that the successful experience of using Russian weapons in Syria helps our country build up military exports, in early July, President Vladimir Putin said during a meeting of the commission on military-technical cooperation between the Russian Federation and foreign countries.

    Now the Iraqi army will have both American and Russian tanks. According to Ruslan Pukhov, this was a conscious step, allowing Iraq not to become dependent on one foreign supplier.

    T-90 is the most modern Russian serial tank. The machine combines high mobility, firepower and relatively small overall dimensions and weight. The tank is on the armament of the Russian army and the Armed Forces of Syria, Algeria, Azerbaijan and India. In India, T-90 is produced under license. Negotiations on the supply of the tank are already being conducted with Vietnam. As Vladimir Kozhin told Izvestia, Kuwait has a "big request" for buying T-90, but dialogue on this contract is still ongoing.

    Note bmpd. As previously reported by our blog, in the annual report of NPK Uralvagonzavod JSC for 2016 among the priorities for 2017 was the beginning of the implementation of the contract with the customer "368" (Iraq-note) for the delivery of the first batch of 73 T-90S/SК.

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    Post  Godric on Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:45 pm

    according to sputnik it's the T-90MS variant and seemingly they have ordered a number of support vehicles the BMPT-72

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201707201055727641-russia-iraq-t-90-tanks/
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    Post  iraqidabab on Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:50 pm

    So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?
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    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:05 am

    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201707221055790609-russia-iraq-t-90-tank-deal/
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    Post  iraqidabab on Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:34 am

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    -New helicopters for army aviation
    -

    I think MI-17v5 which they were planning more of.
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    Post  Godric on Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:14 am

    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS and Terminator 2s
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:35 pm

    Godric wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS and Terminator 2s

    from my understanding Iraq never ordered T90MS or Terminator. sadly.

    As I know Iraq has pending orders for T90S, BMP-3M and MSTA-S since 2014.
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    Post  Godric on Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:47 pm

    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    Godric wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS and Terminator 2s

    from my understanding Iraq never ordered T90MS or Terminator. sadly.

    As I know Iraq has pending orders for T90S, BMP-3M and MSTA-S since 2014.

    well they have now it is the T-90MS they have ordered
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:54 pm

    Godric wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:
    Godric wrote:
    iraqidabab wrote:So it's T-90MS or T-90S?

    Any way to know for sure?

    T-90MS and Terminator 2s

    from my understanding Iraq never ordered T90MS or Terminator. sadly.

    As I know Iraq has pending orders for T90S, BMP-3M and MSTA-S since 2014.

    well they have now it is the T-90MS they have ordered  

    are you sure about that? the official uralvagonzavod release states that Iraq is receiving T90S.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:16 am

    interesting to note that Iraq is buying new thermal sights from leonardo DRS for its remaining 125 Abrams tanks (out of 146 delivered)... the "old" 2nd generation thermal cameras from the M1A1s would then be free to be used to upgrade some existing tanks in the iraqi arsenal (I presume some of the T72M1s that Iraq bought from Czech Republic and Bulgaria).

    That would give the Iraqi army a nice fleet of relatively capable tanks:

    125-140 upgrade T72M1s with hand me down sights from the Abrams
    125 M1A1 Abrams with improved sights
    150 T90S MBTs newly delivered from Russia
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    Post  George1 on Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:08 pm

    Russia starts T-90S main battle tank deliveries to Iraq

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:51 pm

    iraqis on the internet are reporting that this is an Iraqi T90 at uralvagonzavod...

    it has the same cammo as the T90 chassis of Iraq's TOS-1A.

    It seems to incorporate features from T90S and some from T90MS

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:27 pm

    the first T90S tanks arrive in Iraq.

    http://iraqimilitary.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1968&start=90

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    Post  George1 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:39 pm

    Iraq received the first batch of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-3?

    According to the Algerian resource "MenaDefense" in the material "BMP 3 for Iraqi army", the Iraqi army received a batch of about 10 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles of Russian origin, which went in a package with the delivery of T-90S / SC tanks. Iraq has recently received the first batch of 10 T-90S / SC tanks, as our blog has already reported.

    Sources of the Algerian resource confirmed that the first shipment of BMP-3 will be followed by new supplies. In 2015, Russia and Iraq signed a contract for the purchase of about 500 BMP-3. Also, the resource notes that in 2015 Saudi Arabia ordered 900 cars, but the contract has not yet been finalized.

    According to the resource, the operational experience of BMP-3 in the UAE led to the creation of a modification of the "Dragoon" with the front engine and the ramp at the rear.

    UPD: One Iraqi source claims that there are 19 cars in the first batch of BMP-3 that arrived in Iraq.

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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:57 am

    http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:33 am

    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia
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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:13 pm

    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.
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    Post  sheytanelkebir on Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:28 am

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sheytanelkebir wrote:http://tass.com/world/991466


    its almost certain that Iraq will receive S-400s.

    excellent! Russia-Iraqi relations remind Al-Qasem era! russia

    What about their airforce ? Do they plan to get some sukhois too ? It would be more usefull for them to have fighters instead of s-400. The cyclone "US freedom" already touched them badly twice I don't think there will be a third US attack so s-400 are not helpfull. 2 or 3 squadron of su-35 and 3 or 4 Nebo radar are more suited for them.

    Its a question of money. Iraq doesn't have much of it. The Ministry of defence's 2018 arms purchase budget is about $700M! So unless someone offers a massive economic offset or loan deal, then they can dream of all the fighter jets that they want... but it won't happen.

    Similarly, I don't think Russia objects to selling S-400 to Iraq, and Iraq certainly wants it. In reality, however I expect Iraq to end up with Chinese SAMs purely due to the financing that the Chinese offer.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:54 am

    Rostec has their own bank system that is being used now for defense purchases in the future. in other words, they can provide the loan to Iraq for it. Russia wont pass up on a deal, since they have a lot to gain from it.

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