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    Re: New Zealand Armed Forces

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:26 pm

    GarryB I was reading once again about Kim Dotcom's case and made me wonder. Is your country effectively a US protectorate? And if yes why so?
    I mean New Zealand is the most remote place on Earth and a country with no enemies...
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    Re: New Zealand Armed Forces

    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:27 am

    We currently have a National party in power which is conservative right wing and gaga for the US.

    If they think they could get away with it they would drop our anti nuke policy and get US ships back here overnight.

    The previous government, Helen Clarke... (she was no looker,) but she stood up to the US and had her own brain which she used. I was proud of her because she was a strong leader unlike John Key who is as much a b!tch of the US as Blair and Howard and all the other leaders of the UK and Australia.  Pathetic.

    Ooh, and we do have enemies... French Farmers for one...


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    Re: New Zealand Armed Forces

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:02 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Does NZ view Russia with the same eye as the US/Aus?

    They do.

    A bit of a shame really as we could do a lot more trade with them and I think they would be very interested in some of our farming technology. We could also offer them a low crime area for their GLONASS stations to improve the accuracy of their satellite navigation system, and also offer a basing area close to Antarctica.

    There is zero chance of buying an Su-35, just as there is zero chance of buying an F-35.

    It is over 1,000km to our nearest neighbour Australia... what possible use would we put fighter aircraft to?

    What we should do is buy some Lada-M submarines and hunt Japanese whaling ships..  Twisted Evil 

    They may not be buying Su-35's anytime soon, but they will be obtaining Russian military helicopters from a 3rd party (Nigeria):

    Former Nigerian Mi-34S in New Zealand

    New Zealand web resource nzcivair.blogspot.com reports that unspeakable New Zealand company acquired in 2013, six light piston helicopters, Russian-made Mi-34C from the presence of the Air Force Nigeria. Six helicopters have been delivered to New Zealand airfield Kraysterch in early December 2013. In Kraysterche four are in the best condition of the Mi-34C are currently undergoing repairs at the company Aircraft company Heli Maintenance. Another bought a helicopter is "damaged" condition and his fate is not yet determined, and the sixth Mi-34C will be used as a source of spare parts. Recall that Nigeria Air Force at the time became the largest operator of the Mi-34C acquired in Russia contracted in 1999 nine of these machines for use as training (Nigerian side numbers 550 NAF - NAF 558), together with six combat helicopters Mi-35P. All nine Mi-34S new construction of "Arsenyev Aviation Company" Progress "were put Nigeria in 2001-2002, implementation of this contract was scandalous consequences because, as it turned out, instead of specified contract Mi-35P new buildings were put Nigeria in the former machine operation Mi-24P Refurbished and resource gear set Nigerians Mi-34C new construction was not more than 300 hours (actually even less), whereby all Mi-34C were bred in Nigeria immobilized by the end of 2003. After this decade, about nine Mi-34C were in Nigeria in storage at the airport Unugu. In July 2011, it was announced on exhibiting them to sell. Acquired New Zealand company Mi-34C are former Nigerian side numbers NAF 550 (serial number 9783033701003), NAF 552 (9783034701001), N AF 553 (9783034002001), NAF 554 (9783034002002 damaged), NAF 556 (serial number not given) and NAF 557 (9783034102005). Plans for the use of Mi-34S new owner is not made ​​public, but according to unofficial information, helicopters will be used as training for the preparation of contract-based helicopter pilots Soviet types. Nigerian former first Mi-34C (former Nigerian number NAF 557), past repairs at Heli Maintenance, March 19, 2014 made ​​the first motor race ground, and started the procedure for obtaining for him a New Zealand Certificate of Airworthiness. It is reported that the helicopter has a release date of November 28, 2001 and a raid of 127 flight hours, with the last flight, committed in 2003. Ground race engine repair past the New Zealand company Heli Maintenance Mi-34C (former Nigerian number NAF 557, serial number 9783034102005), formerly owned by Air Nigeria. Kraysterch, 19.03.2014 (c) Dave Paull / nzcivair.blogspot.com

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    Re: New Zealand Armed Forces

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:44 am

    MI-34C is hardly an armed Russian Military aircraft...



    in the accepted sense...


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    Re: New Zealand Armed Forces

    Post  OminousSpudd on Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:56 pm

    I wholeheartedly support this thread.  russia  Come get us, we'll open our arms like the bunch of squabbling inane apathists we've become.

    But GarryB I do have a question concerning the range of those C-130s. http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/what-we-do/aircraft/hercules.htm

    I realise the statistics for the aircraft were probably copy-pasted from a Lockheed C-130 manual (sarcasm) or whatever, but the values stated for the aircraft's ranges (ferry and typical) differ greatly from your 950km figure. I only questioned this initially because my father once flew with an aid mission to the Solomons (specifically Honiara) which apparently was flown in one hit with no bunny hopping to speak of.

    I sincerely disagree with the Labour Party and hated Uncle Helen with a passion, but I certainly have no love for National either. (Nearly didn't even bother voting this time round, such a convoluted mess our politics have become). A discussion for another time anyway.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:38 am

    It could certainly fly decent distances with minimal load and extra fuel, but in the role of quick deployment of LAV IIIs... ie a fairly critical emergency type role, their flight range is greatly reduced... and the short field performance disappears too.

    Regarding the Labour party and Helen... like most western countries our main alternative party (to National) is not that different from our main party... one is supposed to be left and worried about the workers and solo mothers and the other is mainly worried about selling everything to private enterprise and supporting the business owners/companys.

    All you need to know about John Key is that he appears to be a nice guy but his main focus is supporting his rich mates.... he decided to sell off some state assets and had a non binding referendum which clearly showed the majority of the country was against it... and why wouldn't they John... why buy a company we already own as a state asset that is making money?

    Now, to distract everyone from that sort of thing he wants a referendum to change our flag... it distracts the Maori voters...

    He thinks the New Zealand flag is too much like the Australian flag.... and it is, but we had ours first and they are always talking about changing their flag anyway... what if they copy us again?

    Anyway, as I said I respected Helen because she had her own brain and used it... she wasn't just a bitch to the US foreign policy like Key and National are.

    Without Helen I have little time for Labour now either... all the parties seem to be just centre left parties with nothing that makes them stand out... which is really funny because it means the joke about politicians being like babies nappies... they need to be changed regularly and for the same reason... becomes much funnier...

    I would reiterate that today we would be better off approaching the Russians and tagging an order of 4-6 Il-476s on to their next order... even without fighter pilots our Air Force is a small but very professional group and we could do a lot more UN work supporting operations delivering cargo and other military forces from place to place and actually earn their keep.


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    Post  OminousSpudd on Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:30 am

    I too would love to see the RNZAF (even our armed forces as a whole) actually consider Eastern (generally speaking) arms as an option. I'd also avidly pursue any military expos that we'd have around the country... Wishful thinking though, I'd say. scratch
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    Re: New Zealand Armed Forces

    Post  George1 on Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:23 pm

    New Zealand will acquire the basic patrol aircraft P-8A Poseidon

    On April 27, 2017, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) sent a notice to the US Congress about the "potential" sale of New Zealand's Four Military Patrol Aircraft Poseidon . The estimated cost of delivery of $ 1.46 billion, armament and radio-acoustic buoys are not included in the supply.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue May 02, 2017 6:40 am

    And that is our problem... we have no money but all the new stuff that the US sells is super expensive.

    We have an enormous amount of water around us and so we need a modern capable MPA... but what we don't really need is anti sub capability... it is not really an issue for us.

    We might buy these planes but I suspect they will keep them cheap by not bothering to buy weapons or sonobouys.

    ...which would be fine we don't need armed MPAs really.

    Of course I would love to see them buy a couple of A-42s rigged out for search and rescue and fishing monitoring roles, but of course that will never happen.


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed May 03, 2017 1:20 am

    GarryB wrote:And that is our problem... we have no money but all the new stuff that the US sells is super expensive.

    We have an enormous amount of water around us and so we need a modern capable MPA... but what we don't really need is anti sub capability... it is not really an issue for us.

    We might buy these planes but I suspect they will keep them cheap by not bothering to buy weapons or sonobouys.

    ...which would be fine we don't need armed MPAs really.

    Of course I would love to see them buy a couple of A-42s rigged out for search and rescue and fishing monitoring roles, but of course that will never happen.

    What, do you mean the Aero A.42, weren't those retired in the 40s and were bomber prototypes??
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    Post  George1 on Wed May 03, 2017 1:25 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:

    What, do you mean the Aero A.42, weren't those retired in the 40s and were bomber prototypes??

    i think Garry means A-40 Albatros (Be-42) Smile


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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed May 03, 2017 2:25 am

    George1 wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:

    What, do you mean the Aero A.42, weren't those retired in the 40s and were bomber prototypes??

    i think Garry means A-40 Albatros (Be-42) Smile

    Makes sense, i was looking for A-42 and couldn't find a damn thing. pwnd
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    Re: New Zealand Armed Forces

    Post  OminousSpudd on Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:39 am

    Our new MARS-L.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93704972/new-59-weapons-package-begins-defence-force-rollout
    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/07/14/new-new-zealand-battle-rifle-overview-mars-llso-chris-bartocci/

    Any gun nuts care to weigh in? KoTeMoRe if you're still around...
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    Re: New Zealand Armed Forces

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:26 am

    Funny comments on that first article about 600m and 900m range for these weapons... the projectiles they launch are tiny and largely ineffectual at that range or any range beyond about 200m so 600m and 900m is bullshit.

    These are not magic weapons... they are slightly more reliable M16s.

    Even if you give them enough training and the right ammo and decent enough optics for the job hits beyond 200m are meaningless.

    Other than that being conventional rifles these weapons are much longer than the Steyr but with much shorter barrels... the question I have is will they be made in Australia and will we be getting the rejects like we did with the Steyrs they made or will we be getting decent rifles.


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