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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:05 am

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    George1 wrote:Serbia received the first helicopter H145M
    ......
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3425824.html


    They could not buy military helicopters from Russia?

    Yes we can and we do. Routinely.

    First batch of Mi-171s has been delivered with more in the pipeline. Mi-35s should be ordered soon as well.

    H154M is replacement for Gazelles which we have crapload of.

    And Russians don't make any armed helicopters in that weight class. Hilarious, I know...



    Local approach is European light helicopters and heavy Russian ones.

    In both cases no need for too much alterations in training or maintenance.




    Odin of Ossetia wrote:And why not buy a Russian anti-aircraft defense system, instead of buying it from France?...

    1) We don't know if arms shipments from Russia will be intercepted by military superpower like Romania against which Russia is completely powerless as has been demonstrated countless times in practice (most recently several days ago when they stopped shipment of 30 T-72 tanks from Russia)


    2) This is also about buying political favors, Arab style. And given most recent invitation to Hague I'd say it could be working (jury is still out on this so we'll have to wait and see)


    Speaking of which we also bought 3 Airbus Super-Pumas for local cops.



    Odin of Ossetia wrote:...I think you still have a puppet government in Serbia.

    Maybe, maybe not but surely you understand that not everyone can have such completely independent defense and foreign policy like one that Poland has? Cool

    And considering that unlike before we are actually acquiring weapons instead of giving them up (2000s) or letting them rot away (1990s) I would go on a limb here and call it bit of an improvement.








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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:44 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    George1 wrote:Serbia received the first helicopter H145M
    ......
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3425824.html


    They could not buy military helicopters from Russia?

    Yes we can and we do. Routinely.

    First batch of Mi-171s has been delivered with more in the pipeline. Mi-35s should be ordered soon as well.

    H154M is replacement for Gazelles which we have crapload of.

    And Russians don't make any armed helicopters in that weight class. Hilarious, I know...



    Local approach is European light helicopters and heavy Russian ones.

    In both cases no need for too much alterations in training or maintenance.

    Small OT

    If I am not mistaken, the light helicopters at the time of soviet union were made abroad, mainly in Poland by PZL.
    In addition Russia (and Soviet Union before) did not produce the engines for small aircrafts and helicopters (again, they were produced in Poland and in Czech Republic, and ironically, at least one of those companies is now part of GE). The lack of small turboshaft and turboprop engine has also caused delays in the development of UAVs.

    The gazelle is also quite smaller (about half the size) than a ka-226, or a Kazan Ansat, the smaller currently produced Russian helicopters (whose engine development has also had many problems and delays, and so both of them are currently equipped with western engines (at least until 2025)).

    I read about an even smaller russian helicopter, the kazan aktai, but apparently it is only a trainer with 3 seats.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/kazan39s-aktai-to-fly-39early-in-200439-171045/

    Btw, does anyone know about its development and if it is in production?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:20 am

    VK-800 is ready. Modifications for Ansat is also apparently ready too. I think next Russian Ansat orders are to be equipped with VK-800. At least VK-800S is to be certified next year.

    Ansat is to replace Mi-2. Which ton are in service.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:04 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:VK-800 is ready. Modifications for Ansat is also apparently ready too.  I think next Russian Ansat orders are to be equipped with VK-800. At least VK-800S is to be certified next year.

    Ansat is to replace Mi-2.  Which ton are in service.


    The turboprop version of the VK-800 should be certified next year, but the turboshaft version should be ready in 6 years (maybe they meant 6 years for serial production capability).
    I posted yesterday about it in the Russian Airforce/United Engine corporation thread

    (Full article here)

    https://ria.ru/20190719/1556678335.html

    MOSCOW, July 18 - RIA News. The creation of a domestic engine for the Ansat helicopter in four years is an ambitious task, most likely it will take six years, the general director of the Central Institute of Aviation Motors (CIAM) named after P.I. Baranova Mikhail Gordin.

    And anyway, most of Mi-2 were made in Poland.


    Btw


    https://xn--b1aga5aadd.xn--p1ai/2019/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8F73/

    About french helicopters in Serbia...

    Military helicopter crashes in Serbia

    July 19, 2019 at 11:34 Topic: PE , Foreign

    In Serbia, during a training flight, a military helicopter Aerospatiale Gazelle Ho-42 crashed .On this Friday, July 19, reportsRBC with reference to the Ministry of Defense of Serbia.

    The helicopter belonged to the 98th Airborne Brigade of the Air Force and Serbian Air Defense Forces. The incident occurred on Thursday, July 18, at about 19:10 local time (20:10 Moscow time), near the village of Rutevac in the Aleksinac community. 



    The helicopter performed a training flight and practiced the landing. On board the car were two crew members. They did not receive serious injuries. 

    Aerospatiale Gazelle - French multipurpose helicopter. It is in service with the armies of France, Britain, Egypt, Lebanon and Serbia. Used in many armed conflicts as a military transport and anti-tank helicopter

    Ah, I must correct myself, the Ansat is.quite bigger than the gazelle, but the new airbus helicopter replacing the gazelle (the H145M) has practically the same size as the Ansat.

    There was a combat version in plan for the ansat, the Ansat-2rts, but I have not heard anything recently about it. It's probable that they will wait for the availability of the VK-800 turboshaft before offering this combat version, also because Pratt&Whitney will probably "block" the delivery of engines for combat helicopters.

    http://xn--80aafy5bs.xn--p1ai/aviamuseum/aviatsiya/rf/vertolety/vertolety-kb-kvz/mnogotselevoj-vertolet-ansat/legkij-udarnyj-vertolet-ansat-2rts/
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:51 pm

    That institute isn't the creator of the VK-800 series BTW. Chemzov did state it could be either VK-800 or some other engine I never heard of. So its easy to assume that its all waiting for certification which that institute is about.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:22 pm

    Actually the Ansat had interesting potential as a light attack helicopter...

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    The body mounted Kord HMGs are interesting... their location should allow a fairly large ammo belt for ammo storage and it would be interesting if they could vary the weapon load... a single barrel KPB 23x115mm weapon would have rather more effective HE rounds but with ammo that does not take up a lot more space... the 23mm gun on one side and a 40mm auto grenade launcher on the other side would be interesting... plus the new guided 80mm and 122mm rockets would also be interesting too...
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    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:25 pm

    Serbia received the first ten upgraded BRDM-2MS from Russia

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:51 am

    Interesting that those added on plates look like similar plates put on BTR-80 upgrades in conjunction with rail based armour.

    I would think the rail based armour pretty much adds external locations where extra kit can be tied on for the crew... things that don't need to be carried inside the vehicle... but are useful to have along...

    Those external plates would also be useful as a type of spaced armour too, but probably only to make them rifle bullet calibre proof and possibly HMG proof from the front maybe... the original armour on them wasn't ever very impressive... but certainly better than sitting in a jeep.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:21 am

    Detailed presentation of the vehicle (BRDM-2MS)...it's equipped better than I initially thought thumbsup
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    Post  Isos on Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:52 pm

    Any info on that ?


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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:41 pm

    Isos wrote:Any info on that ?

    ELINT News
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    Nothing over here but Russians would be first to get the news anyway so we will see
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:13 am

    Prototype Quad Manpad Launcher with Thermal camera and anti-drone antennas (left side)

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:06 pm


    Boatload of photos (over 60) from recent military exercise and parade during Medvedev's visit:

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3811240.html



    Unit name says "Griffons". Looks like our military decided to put some flair into their naming conventions, usually it was either local wildlife or unit numbers (63rd Airborne or 72nd Recon are more notable ones)

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    Couple more highlights:

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    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:25 pm

    Some of new equipment:
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    Post  medo on Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:24 pm

    https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/08/05/balkan-countries-boost-their-air-defense-capabilities-albeit-for-different-reasons/


    One month later, the Serbian government in Belgrade signed a deal to acquire 18 Mistral 3 short-range air defense systems fitted with 50 missiles from European missile-maker MBDA.

    “With this first European missile order, Serbia becomes the 32nd customer country for the Mistral missile and the 10th country invited to join the Mistral user club,” MBDA said in a 16 July statement. “As the latest generation of Mistral family today in service, Mistral 3 features a very high resistance to infrared countermeasures and a capability to engage air targets presenting a low thermal signature, such as missiles and UAVs.”

    I'm not sure if this is serious. Serbia bought 18 Mistral MANPADs with 50 missiles. What do they think to do with just 50 missiles? This is a MANPAD. There should be hundreds if not thousands of missiles in arsenal. If Mistral is so expensive, why they didn't buy Igla-S or Verba? They are no worse than Mistral and better compatible with Pantsir with Barnaul-T complex. I'm not sure if this is enough for one day of war.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:51 pm

    That's a political move.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:02 am

    Isos wrote:That's a political move.

    Correct

    This is simply lubricating the French in order to get some political favors

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:23 am

    Of course it is political, but at least the Mistral missile is a good missile... it is not like they are buying a crap missile that they wont be able to use... they are actually getting something useful for their money.

    Interesting they don't mention how much they spent though... with French military gear it can be eye watering...
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    Post  medo on Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:00 am

    I don't know, what is the price for Mistral missile, but it is French and for sure expensive as all other equippment.

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