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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:30 am

    Russia to Land Space Vessel on Moon's Polar Region in 2019 - Source

    Russia's spacecraft, projected to land on the moon in 2019, is undergoing trials.

    LE BOURGET (Sputnik) – Russia’s lunar research is currently undergoing “Earth trials” before landing on the moon in 2019, a Russian delegation member connected with the development of the space vessel said at an airshow outside Paris on Friday.

    “As of today, the main construction documentation has been started and the models for independent and complex trials have been prepared,” the delegate said.

    Russia plans to land a research vessel, called Luna-25 (Moon-25) on the moon’s polar region instead of the equator, where all other landings have been centered.

    Russian scientists decided to land the spacecraft on the south pole of the moon, as they consider it an area of particular interest.

    The researchers plan to explore internal structure of the moon and the impact of the cosmic rays and electromagnetic radiation on the lunar surface, and to search for natural resources in the area.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/science/20150619/1023557318.html#ixzz3dYd1Iik5


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:24 am

    Launch of Russia-EU Space Probe to Mars Will Be Postponed

    The launch of a space probe to Mars under a joint Russia-EU research program will be delayed until March 14, 2016, for technical reasons, a Russian space industry source said Friday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The launch of a Russian Proton space rocket carrying the ExoMars-1 orbiter from the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan was originally scheduled for January 7, 2016.

    According to the source, an official confirmation of the delay is expected to be announced shortly.

    "The launch will be postponed due to two technical issues, which are not in the scope of Russia's responsibility," the source said.

    "There's nothing alarming in the delay as the 'launch window' allows us to carry out the launch on March 14 and deliver the spacecraft to Mars, with the help of Proton, on time," the source stressed.

    In 2012, the European Space Agency and the Russian Federal Space Agency Roscosmos agreed to develop the so-called ExoMars program, with the objective of investigating the environment on Mars and finding out whether life has ever existed on the planet.

    As published on the European Space Agency's website, two missions are planned within the ExoMars program for 2016-2018. In 2016, the ExoMars project will launch an orbital probe to Mars, followed by a landing on the Martian surface by a lander module. In 2018, a Mars rover probe is expected to explore the surface of the planet.

    After the European Union introduced sanctions against Russia over its alleged role in the Ukrainian internal crisis, concerns mounted that Europe-Russia collaboration on Mars exploration could be hampered.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/science/20150918/1027203414.html#ixzz3m8SliawB


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:08 pm

    Russia Gets Ready for New Moon Landing



    Russia's Space Research Institute is building a space probe to send to the Moon, which will allow Russian scientists to carry out scientific research on the Moon's surface for the first time since unmanned Soviet spacecraft landed there in the 1970s.

    The Russian Space Research Institute has given Gazeta.ru an exclusive look at the engineering of the Russian space probe which will be the first to land on the Moon' surface since 1976, and give Russia's researchers the opportunity to explore the Moon' surface in depth.

    "The main difference from Soviet missions, which brought back space material to Earth, is that research will be carried out directly on board the probe," explained Vladislav Tretyakov, a researcher in nuclear planetology at the Russian Space Research Institute [IKI].

    "Secondly, we must ensure survival during lunar nights, which back then was only achieved only by our 'Lunokhod' rover."

    "And of course, this is the first polar mission, insofar as all the previous missions, including ours and those from other nations, were [conducted] at equatorial latitudes."

    Most of the instruments for the spacecraft, named 'Luna-Globe' are being made at the IKI; a life-sized model of the probe is currently being exhibited for visitors to the International Air Show in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovsky.

    The probe is slated to land in 2016 in the Boguslavsky crater, near the Moon's South Pole, where its four television cameras will immediately begin taking footage of the area. Another two cameras will observe the work of the probe's digging tool and a further two will assist it so that it might move around safely.

    In order to survive the harsh nighttime conditions on the Moon, when the temperature can fall from daytime highs of 123 degrees celsius to as low as minus 153 degrees, Luna-Globe is fitted with a radioisotope thermoelectric generator, which provides power by converting the heat generated by the decay of the plutonium-238 isotope into electricity.

    The probe's digger, which itself is fitted with an infra-red spectrometer, will hand its findings to the probe's laser mass and neutron gamma spectrometers for analysis.

    Another instrument will study the composition of the thin lunar atmosphere, while ceramic plates on the probe will inspect the surface to determine the size, speed, and energy of its dust.

    In addition to the instruments built at the IKI, a device made by the Vernadsky Institute of Geochemistry and Analytical Chemistry will study the thermal properties of lunar soil.

    Like the 'Lunokhod' and the US Apollo space missions before it, the reflectors which Luna-Globe takes to the Moon will allow mission scientists to track its smallest movements, and in such a way investigate its internal structure.

    "This mission is a scientific-technological one. We want to carry out scientific experiments there, but this is a technological mission in the sense that we need to return to the Moon, learn how to land, and survive the lunar night, since a lot of what was achieved in the 1970's has been forgotten," explained Tretyakov.

    "We Need to Return to the Moon" — Journalists from gazeta.ru explored the Luna-Globe in detail.

    The Russian Space Research Institute, where the spacecraft is being constructed, was founded in 1965 under the auspices of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR, and is now part of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

    The most important IKI missions were conducted in the 1970s, notably the Venera spacecraft mission series; the Venera ships were the first spacecraft to enter another planet's atmosphere, make a soft landing, and return images and high-res radar mapping studies; Venera remains the only spacecraft to have completed a successful landing on Venus.

    In the 1980s and 90s, despite financial difficulties, IKI managed to lead two particularly successful scientific projects; the Interball project to study various plasma processes in the Earth's magnetosphere, and the Granat X-ray and gamma ray astronomy mission to carry out deep imaging of the galactic center and study black hole candidates.

    Since the 2000s, the IKI has been involved in a range of international research collaborations, including the Mars Odyssey and Mars Exploration Rovers with NASA, and the Mars Express, Venus Express and INTEGRAL missions, carried out jointly with the European Space Agency.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150828/1026297351.html#ixzz3myWwhIdT


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:21 pm

    Russia and US to resume talks on joint mission to Venus

    Talks on a joint mission to study Venus were due a year ago, but were stopped because of the sanctions against Russia

    MOSCOW, September 28. /TASS/. Russia and the US will resume talks on a joint mission to study Venus — a year after sanctions stopped the talks, head of the Space Research Institute Lev Zeleny said on Monday.

    "The negotiations will begin early next week," he told TASS.

    Prior to that, during a news conference in Moscow he said talks on a joint mission to study Venus "were due a year ago," but were stopped because of the sanctions against Russia.

    He said the mission may take place after 2025.

    "The NASA delegation has been discussing the project as a joint one," he said.

    The project will use Russia’s Venera-D (Venera is Venus in Russian), where "D" stands for Dolgozhivuschaya (long-lasting) — the first Russian project in the post-Soviet period aimed to explore Venus.


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:46 pm

    Russia Slates Manned Moon Landing for 2029

    Russian cosmonauts are expected to make their first steps on the Moon in 2029.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – A manned lunar landing by Russian cosmonauts is planned for 2029, the head of the Russian Space Agency Energia said Tuesday.

    “A manned flight to the moon and lunar landing is planned for 2029,” Vladimir Solntsev said during a space technology conference in Moscow.

    The Energia chief, a spacecraft components manufacturer, said Russian scientists were building a new spacecraft made of composites specifically for moon missions. Its maiden flight is scheduled for 2021.

    In 2023, the spacecraft is due to dock with the International Space Station, with the first unmanned lunar mission set for 2025.

    According to earlier reports, Russia plans to land a Luna-25 research vessel on the south pole of the moon instead of its equator, where all other landings have been centered.

    The plan is to explore the internal structure of the Earth’s only natural satellite and the impact of the cosmic rays and electromagnetic radiation on its surface, as well as to look for natural resources in the area.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/science/20151027/1029159144/russia-moon-landing-2029.html#ixzz3psEh0MzF


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:48 am

    George1 wrote:Russia Slates Manned Moon Landing for 2029

    Russian cosmonauts are expected to make their first steps on the Moon in 2029.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – A manned lunar landing by Russian cosmonauts is planned for 2029, the head of the Russian Space Agency Energia said Tuesday.

    “A manned flight to the moon and lunar landing is planned for 2029,” Vladimir Solntsev said during a space technology conference in Moscow.

    The Energia chief, a spacecraft components manufacturer, said Russian scientists were building a new spacecraft made of composites specifically for moon missions. Its maiden flight is scheduled for 2021.

    In 2023, the spacecraft is due to dock with the International Space Station, with the first unmanned lunar mission set for 2025.

    According to earlier reports, Russia plans to land a Luna-25 research vessel on the south pole of the moon instead of its equator, where all other landings have been centered.

    The plan is to explore the internal structure of the Earth’s only natural satellite and the impact of the cosmic rays and electromagnetic radiation on its surface, as well as to look for natural resources in the area.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/science/20151027/1029159144/russia-moon-landing-2029.html#ixzz3psEh0MzF

    They better give this composite spacecraft a strong magnetic field to deflect the relativistic electrons and protons that can pass through even 0.25 inch
    aluminum like it was not there. Being irradiated by these high energy electrons and protons can be lethal depending on luck, for example if the
    solar CME is intense and directed aimed at the spacecraft.

    I think we will see the truth of the lunar landing of the 1960s in the 2030s. I find it bizarre how none of the Apollo astronauts noted the
    eyes full of sparkles effect that the Shuttle astronauts observed when the Shuttle followed a high orbit (about 1000 km above the surface
    instead of the usual 350 km). The Shuttle astronauts really did go on this trip and experience the electron flux in the Earth's complex
    Van Allen belts. One can question whether the Apollo astronauts ever ascended beyond LEO.
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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:37 pm

    Roscosmos and ESA: Spacecraft EXOMARS 2016 Mission arrival at Baikonur











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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:16 pm

    Russian company to produce lander module for Exomars-2020 mission in 2019 — source

    Russia’s Lavochkin Company will complete fabrication of a lander module with a platform for the second stage of Exomars space mission scheduled to 2020

    MOSCOW, November 21. /TASS/. Russia’s Lavochkin Company will complete fabrication of a lander module with a platform for the second stage of Exomars space mission scheduled to 2020, a source in the space industry told TASS on Monday.

    "The unit consists of two components - flying and landing modules. It is intended to complete production of the unit and the landing platform nine months’ prior to launching the second Exomars mission, that is, in 2019," the source said.

    Lavochkin has already started fabrication of the unit and the platform, the source said. "Their comprehensive tests will be carried in Europe," he added.

    The second phase of Exomars mission is scheduled to 2020. Dispatch of the Russian landing platform and the European Mars rover is provided at this stage of the research project. Drilling and testing of Mars soil will be the key objectives of the stage. Researchers believe traces of organic life may be preserved at the depth of several meters.


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  starman on Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:13 pm

    George1 wrote:
    The project will use Russia’s Venera-D (Venera is Venus in Russian), where "D" stands for Dolgozhivuschaya (long-lasting) — the first Russian project in the post-Soviet period aimed to explore Venus.

    How long is it supposed to last in the hellish environment?
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    Post  starman on Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:22 pm

    George1 wrote:
    The second phase of Exomars mission is scheduled to 2020. Dispatch of the Russian landing platform and the European Mars rover is provided at this stage of the research project. Drilling and testing of Mars soil will be the key objectives of the stage.

    Where will it drill--Chrysea?



    Researchers believe traces of organic life may be preserved at the depth of several meters.

    Yeah, besides the need to avoid surface UV and cosmic rays any extant organic matter must be below the zone of surface oxidation. I'm skeptical they'll find anything. Mars has been overrated as a potential abode of life. Exobiology would probably benefit more from emphasis on exoplanets instead.
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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:33 am

    They seem to now think that life is rather more abundant in the universe than previously thought... mainly due to finding it on Earth in places previously believed to be void of life.

    The obvious problem can be considered the same as that of earth... drop an aircraft randomly on the surface of earth and dig and you probably wont find a dinosaur bone or fossil there.

    Of course with their knowledge today they can narrow down where they search, but it is still very much hit and miss and I expect the first few times they might just find layers of rock showing historic conditions that were suitable for life or show evidence of previous states of liquid water etc.


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:24 pm

    A summary of the status of Russian planetary exploration program.

    Approved/Near-term missions

    In partnership with ESA

    1. ExoMars orbiter - 2016 (Ongoing)
    2. ExoMars 2020 surface platform (Mars lander and rover) - 2020 (Scheduled)


    Lunar program

    Luna-25 (Glob) polar lander -  2019 (Scheduled)
    Luna-26 (Glob) orbiter - 2021 (Scheduled)
    Luna-27 (Resurs) lander - 2021 (Scheduled)



    Proposed/Concepts for the 2020s

    1. Luna-28 (Luna-Grunt) sample return - 2024
    2. Boomerang Phobos sample return - 2025
    3. "Venera-D" lander(s) & orbiter(s) - 2025
    4. "Mars-Grunt" sample return - 2025
    5. "Laplace-P" Ganymede lander - 2030
    6. Mercury-P - 2031


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:06 am

    Russia and US team up for mission to Venus

    Scientists also plan to study greenhouse effect on the planet

    MOSCOW, April 15. /TASS/. Russia and the United States will continue joint research in 2017-2018 on a mission to Venus, Lyudmila Zasova, the head of the laboratory for spectroscopy of planetary atmospheres of the Space Research Institute at the Russian Academy of Sciences, told TASS.

    "On January 31, 2017, a report on results of the joint science-definition team’s work was presented to both to the Russian Space Research Institute, Roscosmos (Russian federal space agency) and NASA and was highly estimated," Zasova said. "NASA and Roscosmos have agreed to go ahead with the work throughout 2017 and 2018."

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    The launch of two Venera-D modules - the orbiter and the lander - was scheduled for approximately 2026.

    "The timeframe could be considered realistic given the project gets financing in the foreseeable future," she added, noting that space program could cost more than $1 bln.

    "However, in case several space agencies team up on the project, the mission will be cheaper for each of them," the scientist said.

    The baseline concept of the Venera-D mission calls for an orbiter, which will study the planet from outer space, and a lander, which is expected to operate on Venus’s surface for a few hours. One of the mission’s objectives is to trace signs of life in the past and nowadays in Venus’ unfavorable conditions. Besides, the scientists plan to study greenhouse effect on the planet.


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Wed May 17, 2017 2:30 pm

    Russia to launch lunar missions from Vostochny spaceport

    The first mission is scheduled for launch in late 2019


    MOSCOW, May 17. /TASS/. All missions planned under the Russian lunar program will be launched from the Vostochny spaceport in the Amur Region in the Russian Far East, CEO of the Lavochkin Research and Production Association Sergei Lemeshevsky told TASS on Wednesday.

    "A decision has been made that the entire lunar program will start from Vostochny," the CEO said.

    The Lavochkin Research and Production Association is the developer of lunar satellites.

    The first mission, Luna-Glob (Moon-Globe) is scheduled to be launched in late 2019, he said.

    "Work is in full swing to make the spacecraft. All the contracts have been concluded and we are finishing the design mock-up. Simultaneously, we are preparing a thermal mock-up," the Lavochkin chief executive said.

    Russian lunar program


    Russia’s federal space program projects the Luna-Glob project as the continuation of domestic lunar missions. The project aims to launch an automated probe to explore the Moon’s South Pole. The module is expected to land in the Boguslavsky crater. The last Soviet lunar mission was sent in 1976 when the Luna-24 probe made a soft landing, collected soil samples and returned them to the Earth.

    At the next stage, Russia will launch a Luna-Resurs orbital spacecraft, which will operate in the near-Moon circular polar orbit at an altitude of 200 km for about twelve months. The spacecraft will be gathering and transmitting information to the Earth from the landing station. It will also help carry out research using equipment for the Moon’s remote exploration.

    After that, a Luna-Resurs lander with a cryogenic in-depth drilling rig will be dispatched to the Moon’s South Pole. It will be outfitted with a system capable of considerably increasing the landing accuracy to 3 km.

    The fourth stage of the lunar program plans to send a Luna-Grunt (Moon-Soil) automated space station. It will feature a soil-sampling vehicle and means for sampling and thermostatting (the conservation of soil samples for their delivery to the Earth in their original form) of soil samples and the system for sample delivery to the Earth for further research.


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:44 am

    Russian lunar missions delayed over unprepared Baikonur spaceport infrastructure

    It was reported earlier that three missions to the Earth’s natural satellite were scheduled aboard Soyuz carrier rockets in 2019-2021

    ZHUKOVSKY, July 19. /TASS/. Two Russian missions to the Moon have been rescheduled as the Baikonur spaceport’s ground infrastructure can’t hold simultaneous preparations for flights to the Earth’s natural satellite and Mars, Lavochkin Research and Production Association CEO Sergei Lemeshevsky said on Wednesday.

    "As was planned before, further lunar steps involve the Luna Resource Orbital project and the Luna Resource Lander project. In this regard, we can, indeed, say that the schedule has been shifted to 2021 and 2022. It is surely impossible to work with two planetary missions at Baikonur at a time," he said.

    Russia earlier planned the Luna-26 (Luna-Resource Orbital) mission for 2020. The second stage of the mission to Mars is also scheduled for the same term (ExoMars-2020).

    The launches of lunar missions may be returned from the Vostochny spaceport in the Russian Far East to the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan as Russia’s new space center lacks the necessary infrastructure, Lemeshevsky said.

    "Lunar programs from the Vostochny spaceport were discussed but there is no final decision yet. A lot of additional expenses arise there. This relates to the requirements for cleanliness and for work with radioactive isotopes. The question is whether it is expedient to invest extremely large funds in the Vostochny," the Lavochkin chief executive said.

    "Technically, the issue has been worked out. We can make launches even from the Vostochny. But there are currently no such premises at the Vostochny and they have to be built. These are not Lavochkin’s expenses. These are the costs of preparing the cosmodrome," he noted.

    It was reported earlier that three missions to the Earth’s natural satellite were scheduled aboard Soyuz carrier rockets in 2019-2021: Luna-25, Luna-26 and Luna-27.


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  George1 on Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:38 am

    Russian, US experts suggest launching satellite and balloons as part of Venus space probe

    The Venera-D mission might be launched in 2026

    MOSCOW, August 4. /TASS/. The Russian-American team that is fleshing out goals for a mission to Venus, known as Venera-D, suggest using a subsatellite with a mass no large than 120 kg and balloons as additional elements for the space probe, Roscosmos’ press service told on Friday.

    "A subsatellite with a mass no large than 120kg for autonomous research and balloons of different construction for operation at an altitude of 50-55km in Venus’s atmosphere, as well as various payload proposed by the scientific community will be considered as additional elements for the space probe," the state corporation said.

    It earlier emerged that the Venera-D mission might be launched in 2026.

    According to previous reports, Roscosmos and NASA agreed to continue developing a joint mission to Venus in 2017-2018. The Russian side will present the Angara-A5 missile, an orbital module and a large lander for the mission, whereas Americans offer a number of devices and long-life small landers (up to 10kg).

    The lander is to be dropped on the planet’s surface from Tesserae. It may be destroyed as Venus has a rocky landscape in these areas. However, it is here, on the place where the planet’s ancient surface is not covered by lava, that traces of past life may be discovered. Scientists also plan to study the greenhouse effect on the planet to avoid catastrophic heating of the Earth in the future.


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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:52 am

    The Venera-D mission might be launched in 2026


    Whoa there Roskosmos and NASA, what's the rush?

    Why not launch in 2036? Or better yet, 2046?

    Ideally it would be done in 2056, but that's just me...  Rolling Eyes

    Who says scientific space projects are undefined and underprioritized, eh?
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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:27 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    The Venera-D mission might be launched in 2026


    Whoa there Roskosmos and NASA, what's the rush?

    Why not launch in 2036? Or better yet, 2046?

    Ideally it would be done in 2056, but that's just me...  Rolling Eyes

    Who says scientific space projects are undefined and underprioritized, eh?
    NASA is just fucking Roscosmos.... stringing them along in a pretend relationship, whispering sweet nothings, but with every intention of jumping ship when its convenient and leaving Roscosmos with nothing to show after 10 years of hopes and dreams....

    Russians need to get over their fantasy that they and the current US Oligarchic Deep State can ever be friends or allies. Murican exceptionalists don't accept anyone as their equals, and have respect for NO-ONE. NASA is simply not permitted to help Russia achieve any of its aims (until she gets down on bent knee and swears fealty to a US-dominated globalist NWO).

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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  T-47 on Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:19 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    NASA is just fucking Roscosmos....  stringing them along in a pretend relationship, whispering sweet nothings, but with every intention of jumping ship when its convenient and leaving Roscosmos with nothing to show after 10 years of hopes and dreams....

    Russians need to get over their fantasy that they and the current US Oligarchic Deep State can ever be friends or allies.  Murican exceptionalists don't accept anyone as their equals, and have respect for NO-ONE.  NASA is simply not permitted to help Russia achieve any of its aims (until she gets down on bent knee and swears fealty to a US-dominated globalist NWO).

    I totally agree with you. Yes NASA do have a huge budget and impressive achievements in space as well but those Wall Street bastards won't let them to help others.

    Roscosmos needs more money and support thats why they are looking overseas. But they should focus on Europe, Chinese, Japan, India or even to Iran rather than NASA for joint operations. Or try to lure any private companies. If you can give them the smell of huge profits, they'll come ASAP. Even I think SpaceX can be get in cooperation by that Razz
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    Re: Roscosmos Planetary Missions

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:42 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    NASA is just fucking Roscosmos....  stringing them along in a pretend relationship, whispering sweet nothings, but with every intention of jumping ship when its convenient and leaving Roscosmos with nothing to show after 10 years of hopes and dreams...........

    I totally agree with you. Yes NASA do have a huge budget and impressive achievements in space as well but those Wall Street bastards won't let them to help others.

    Roscosmos needs more money and support thats why they are looking overseas. But they should focus on Europe, Chinese, Japan, India or even to Iran rather than NASA for joint operations. Or try to lure any private companies. If you can give them the smell of huge profits, they'll come ASAP. Even I think SpaceX can be get in cooperation by that Razz

    NASA science division itself has budget issues, you can't pin this on them, like in Russia they are budgetary red headed stepchild.

    And Roskosmos should stop looking for sugar daddy abroad, they wasted 3 decades and have nothing to show for it, it's not happening.

    They need to drop that bullshit altogether, grow a pair of balls, put together a plan and ask for fucking money from where it's supposed to come: Russian state budget.

    Stop sticking your head in the sand and make some noise.

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