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    Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  Kysusha on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:35 am


    Oh look see what’s happening now in the world; regarding Syria. Note that the Frogs, a nation that has lost every war in modern history that they have started or been in, have now come out with the statement that IF Syria uses Chemical weapons it will be an invitation for foreign intervention!. How brave of them!

    Let’s just put that in perspective here – the AXIS OF EVIL is already intervening in Syria, the Frogs and HATO are in their up to their balls as it is, but that still isn’t enough for the Frogs, so they will ratchet up the game so that when they do get involved “officially” they can call help to HATO to get them out of the pooh they will get themselves into. Whereby, effectively passing the war onto others, like they have done through history!

    But what about the statement of theirs – isn’t this just George Bush all over again, with his WMD in Iraq? Syria has admitted that they possess Chemical weapons but have also stated that they would not use them against their own people. The opportunity is now set for the Axis of Evil to slip chemical weapons to the terrorist fighters and mercenaries in Syria so that they can use them and then call the UN to come and verify that Syria has used chemical weapons against it’s people – after all, how could innocent “freedom Fighters” get their hands on such weapons??

    Wake up, this ploy worked in Iraq, so they just trot the same tactic out under a slightly different guise. Here we go with another round of finger pointing at weapons of mass destruction! The real WMD is HATO and the Axis of Evil who have an agenda to cause untold bloodshed and misery around the world in countries that are stable and prosperous so that the Zionist controlled administrations in the West can further rob the people of the world.

    The UN has been hijacked – has been for a very long time and no honest outcome will ever emanate from the UN. We need a true world court to try the leaders of HATO and the Western powers for their callous acts against humanity.

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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:33 pm

    IMO chemical weapons are WMD only if not used by juice.

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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  Kysusha on Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:46 am

    Sarcasm is missed, I see.

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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:11 am

    I don't think anyone will be fooled by the WMD charade again... no matter how convincing they try to make it all appear.

    In fact it just makes a real joke of the supposed threat of Saddams WMDs.

    The west is actively supporting a bunch of no hopers including the dreaded Al Quada to take over a country with significant amounts of WMDs... they are encouraging a rag tag group of armed nutters to over throw a legitimate government and thereby gain control of WMD stocks with no mandate from their own people, and bound by no international agreements on those WMDs.

    Yeah, I can see why the west wants to create that sort of situation...

    In a way I hope they get their way and then have to deal with "Syrian" WMD attacks on Israel, which will likely be the first order of business for them.

    Of course I don't really hope that because it would not just be bad for the Israelis, but it will be bad for the Syrian people.


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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:34 am

    Many people say that syrias chemical weapons are definately for use against their own population because if they would be used for self defence they would be useless since NATO can easily avoid losses with its more than enough NBC protection and bashar knows that.

    Whats your opinion?

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    Post  Kysusha on Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:34 am

    I think the whole issue of Chemical Weapons is just a re-run of the Iraqi WMD lie that the Yanks used to bomb the crap out of a sovereign country which should have been allowed to develop their own defence arsenal – what about the Joos? They have WMD so any chance the Yanks will bomb the crap out of them???

    FUSUK are now trotting out the same scenario as Iraqi as a pretext to invade Syria – after all, it worked before and they have never been too inventive or imaginative – look at all the “coloured revolutions”. Get a scenario that works, control the media and the public will follow! Sheepeople are so easily lead. Only Russia/China are against them [at least they see the problem], but the rest of the Western world will blindly follow the piper off the cliff like a bunch of Lemmings.

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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  GarryB on Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:26 am

    Many people say that syrias chemical weapons are definately for use against their own population because if they would be used for self defence they would be useless since NATO can easily avoid losses with its more than enough NBC protection and bashar knows that.

    Whats your opinion?

    Chemical weapons are expensive to make and difficult to handle safely, and expensive to store.

    Why use chemical weapons against your own population when bullets and HE work just fine?

    Syria has Chemical weapons for the same reason everyone else has them... as a deterrent so that your potential enemies will never use them against you.

    That was the same reason there was little to no use of chem or bio weapons during WWII, because each side feared the other side had a more powerful weapon and just wanted an excuse to use it.

    If anything the presence of Chemical weapons... not just poisonous chemicals, but weaponised chemicals should be an alarm bell to say to the west they should not be supporting a rag tag bunch of foreigners and malcontents to take over Syria because that will result in them getting control of a lot of very dangerous weapons and systems.


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    Post  Kysusha on Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:03 am

    The Issue here Gary is; – the West want the continuation of these “wars” and the more terror weapons the terrorists have, the more they can control the mass public with laws to “curtain” the terrorists. Just look at the draconian laws and incredible abuse of personal freedom and liberties that followed in the wake of the 9/11 own goal!

    With the pull out of Afghanistan imminent, there has to be something else to move onto – “War is inherent in capitalism” – Karl Marx. The evidence for all to see is as plain as a nose on a face – since the First World War, [the loss of the Gold Standard and the introduction of FIAT money], this world has continually been at war. War spread by capitalist democracy as the vehicle of the Joo Central Banks. With Capitalism, there can be no standing still, you either grow or get swallowed up. The scenario is now set for the “bubble to burst” as a result of the rampant growth in the amount of printed money and the supposed US National debt. Yanks, controlled by their Joo based Federal Reserve – [incidentally, look at a US banknote and you will see it is the property of the Federal Reserve, not the Property of the Government] and continuously exported war and destruction around the world to secure growth of wealth. Look at the latest example in Libya – all the country’s infrastructure was targeted and destroyed by bombing – which in itself is a war crime – FUSUK moves in with a the Central Banks loan money to help to rebuild; money that the Central Banks get the Fed Reserve to print, The Fed Reserve charges the US govt for the privilege of printing that money and then charges the US government interest on the money “loaned” while at the same time, getting the FUSUK sponsored companies to pay interest on the money that was loaned to “rebuild” what they had destroyed! . How all very convenient – a neat little “money-go-round” and the banks get richer and richer for printing Monopoly money. Same thing happened in Iraq – they are trying the same scenario in Syria.

    Now Jooland is threatening an “Shock and Awe” against Iran, which will be nothing more than blatant open aggression against a sovereign state – yet another war crime to chalk up against the whole Axis of Evil! .

    The Al Qaeda groups [established and supported by FUSUKI – yes you can guess what country is the “I”] are the perfect terrorist group to give chemical weapons too. They are sufficiently ingrained in the Western psyche as the number one bogymen as to allow any laws or conditions to be implemented to “Stop” them! Let them take over Syria and then they can “threaten Jooland” and we can have a real ding-dong war in the region.

    The only way we can stop them is to get rid of Israeli government and the Zionists in control of FUSUK governments. It is the administrations we need to target, not the leaders – the leaders are every bit as much puppets as most others are – notice how many US Presidents we have had since WWII and yet we have continually been at war???! Are you going to argue that ALL the Presidents have been warmongers?? No, it’s been the grey suits behind the presidents that are the problem – the Central Bank controlled Zionists.

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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:44 am

    Now Jooland is threatening an “Shock and Awe” against Iran, which will be nothing more than blatant open aggression against a sovereign state – yet another war crime to chalk up against the whole Axis of Evil! .

    The amusing thing is that it will be heralded as an example of preemptive self defence... Israels right to defend itself!

    The irony in the amusement is that when Japan preemptively self defended in December 7th, 1941 the general attitude in the US was quite different.

    Clearly the message is that countries under sanction have no rights to self defence or anything else for that matter, while Israel, like the US has the right to do anything.


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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:16 pm

    few people point out that the US of A gave those chemical weapons to saddam with whom he commited many atrocities

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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  SOC on Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:20 pm

    Kysusha wrote:incidentally, look at a US banknote and you will see it is the property of the Federal Reserve, not the Property of the Government

    Just to nitpick: that's like saying a document or item labeled as property of the Department of Defense isn't government property. The Federal Reserve is actually part of the government; it was established by Congress and has both public and private aspects. The Board is appointed by the President and approved by Congress, and there is Congressional oversight although the Fed can make a lot of policy independently. The Fed is basically the Treasury Department's bank, which is partly why it is not part of the Treasury Department.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:54 am


    Just to nitpick: that's like saying a document or item labeled as property of the Department of Defense isn't government property.

    But hang on... if that nitpick is valid then couldn't you make the argument that the CIA is also part of the US government and therefore its actions are therefore US government actions too.

    Wasn't the CIA created to avoid accountability?

    Isn't that alone reason to deny the US any official position of world leader or world police?

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    Post  SOC on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:58 pm

    The key there is that both CIA and the Fed can operate somewhat independently of official government policy to achieve their own goals. They do however both submit to government oversight, i.e. their own goals are government-approved.

    As far as being the world's police force, here's an idea: get people to stop asking us to do it. I don't mean relatively unilateral actions like Iraq 2003, either. If you don't want us to act that way (which I don't think we should anyway), then eliminate the voices complaining for action in places like Rwanda.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:07 am

    As far as being the world's police force, here's an idea: get people to stop asking us to do it. I don't mean relatively unilateral actions like Iraq 2003, either. If you don't want us to act that way (which I don't think we should anyway), then eliminate the voices complaining for action in places like Rwanda.

    Don't try to be cute Sean... you know full well that there will always be voices asking the US to come in and overthrow their enemies and that such voices are used when the US wants to come in and overthrow and just as easily ignored when it doesn't suit the US.

    Hence calls from anti Gaddafi forces get a no fly zone and lots of weapons, while calls for more democracy in Bahrain fall on deaf ears. Razz

    Don't shift the blame to the voices... they have always been there and always will.


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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  SOC on Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:36 pm

    I'm not shifting blame, I just want people to acknowledge that the voices are also part of the problem.

    Do we need to stop listening to people like the Libyan rebels who are not in fact the Libyan government (or at least weren't back then)? That much is obvious. Internal problems should be handled internally, be it Libya, Syria, or Rwanda. Or the FRY, for that matter. This should, however, apply to everyone, with everyone meaning external state actors imposing themselves on the internal problems of another state. We should've left the Libyan separatists alone. Others should've also done the same thing in 2008.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:29 am

    Come now Sean... are you trying to tell us that the US went in to various countries because they were asked?

    I would suggest it is rather more likely they made the decision to go in without even listening for voices... the voices came later, or indeed could have been fabricated to support a decision already made.

    There is no rush to give Bahrain democracy.

    They went in to "free" Kuwaite from Iraqi occupation, but they didn't do it to give Kuwaite democracy either... it was to secure Saudi oil from Saddams grasp.


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    Re: Are Chemical Weapons WMD?

    Post  SOC on Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:45 am

    GarryB wrote:Come now Sean... are you trying to tell us that the US went in to various countries because they were asked?

    Of course not, at least not all of the time. We're quite capable of unilateral action, thank you very much What a Face But when an external actor like the UN or NATO or an internal actor like the government of a foreign state asks/suggests/requests intervention/assistance with some issue, they are serving as part of the overall problem. Were we to adopt a sort of international relations isolationist but international economic opportunist stance we might find ourselves involved in far less crap around the world.

    Although, personally, that might not be a bright idea either. From one perspective, I'd sometimes rather my government be screwing up your country...because at the end of the day that means it has that much less time to spend screwing up mine!

    Oh, and to the original question...chemical weapons should probably not be considered WMDs, as they do not technically cause mass destruction. Mass-casualty weapons, sure. Politically considering them WMDs for the purpose of retaliation, I am perfectly fine with that, although that does tend to contradict the other statement to a degree.

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