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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:41 am

    they probably wear the same as always. some Flora here, and some VSR here, with a little bit of KMLK mixed in just for fun.

    Maybe as the reforms do their magic all of those will be replaced with one of those new digital patterns.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:12 am

    Their new super soldier stuff will eventually provide the VDV with mission specific equipment and gear and might eventually lead to temperature specific camouflage, where above 30 degrees C the colour of the gear is optimised for desert, while lower termperatures... 10-30 could be temperate green and of course well below zero can be white...
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:49 am

    GarryB wrote:Their new super soldier stuff will eventually provide the VDV with mission specific equipment and gear and might eventually lead to temperature specific camouflage, where above 30 degrees C the colour of the gear is optimised for desert, while lower termperatures... 10-30 could be temperate green and of course well below zero can be white...

    How far into the future are we talking here?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:10 am

    I have seen glasses that change colour when you fill them... they go one colour for hot drinks and a different colour for cold drinks and at room temperature they are a third colour...

    I would think issues would include body temperature effecting it and you would have to be very careful with the colour types and temperature ranges as it can get quite cold in the desert overnight and you don't want all your soldiers appearing in green first thing in the morning because the sun hasn't heated everything up yet...

    Perhaps a system that also uses electric current for the colour change effect so there is better control.
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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:00 am

    If they don't want any problems with it changing to the wrong camo then they could just let the soldier change it manually, no idea if this is possible though.

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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:03 pm

    http://russianmilitaryphotos.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/the-naval-infantry-of-the-pacific-fleet-performing-maneuvers-at-the-primorsky-krai/

    Can anyone recognize these vehicles?

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:24 am

    Looks like an MTLB crossed with a BTR.
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    Post  medo Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:57 am

    George1 wrote:http://russianmilitaryphotos.wordpress.com/2012/04/20/the-naval-infantry-of-the-pacific-fleet-performing-maneuvers-at-the-primorsky-krai/

    Can anyone recognize these vehicles?

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    Vehicles in top picture are BTR-80M, tracked vehicle in bottom picture is MT-LBu command post.
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    Post  George1 Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:21 am

    NAVAL INFANTRY SUPPORT UNITS
    • Naval Infantry Artillery Battalion: 3 Batteries, each 1 2S1 122mm SP HOW
    • Naval Infantry AA Battery: 1 ZSU-23-4; 1 SA-9/13

    NAVAL INFANTRY COMBAT UNIT TO&E
    • Tank Battalion: 9 PT-76 or 6 PT-76 + 3 MBT
    • Naval Infantry Battalion: 9 BTR-60/706, 1 120mm Mortar on truck, 1 AT-4 on BTR

    The APCs used by the Naval Infantry are either BTR-80s (in Assault Landing Battalions) or MT-LBs (in Naval Infantry Battalions).

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mp-toe.htm


    1.Kurganetz-25 with 120mm gun will replace PT-76
    2.Kurganetz-25 with 45/57mm gun will be the combat vechile in Assault Landing Battalions
    3.Boomerang versions (APC, Mortar carrier, ATGM carrier) will equip naval infantry battalions.
    4. I wonder what will be the main SP artilliery gun, 2s19 Msta could equip the marines?
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    Post  medo Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:44 pm

    Any informations if naval infantry will this year receive any new vehicles like BTR-82A or modernized MT-LB? It looks like naval infantry is not a priority to replace old equipment with newer ones.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:22 am

    They will be getting new carriers in the next few years, so in addition to Ka-52s I would expect the navalised Kurganets-25 would be a priority too.

    I do remember reading that a lot of T-80 tanks were being transferred to the naval forces.
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    Post  TR1 Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:41 am

    I think we can discount the T-80 plans at this point...would think Sprut is perfect for them though...
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    Post  medo Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:14 am

    Years ago they also plan to get BMP-3F, but I don't know if any was produced for Russian naval infantry.
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    Post  George1 Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:38 pm

    TR1 wrote:I think we can discount the T-80 plans at this point...would think Sprut is perfect for them though...

    There are also light tanks and heavy tanks in a naval infantry tank battalion.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:52 am

    I think we can discount the T-80 plans at this point...would think Sprut is perfect for them though...

    Then the Kurganets-25 they have selected... with minor changes like external engine driven screws for in water propulsion and improved sea keeping for rough sea states, will really be ideal.

    At 25 tons I would think the protection of a Kurganets and the avionics etc will make it a better vehicle for IFV, and tank for the Naval Infantry, though it will likely be a couple of years away.


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    Post  Eagle9294 Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:59 pm

    How good are they? As good as the VDV? I know they were amazing during the Great Patriotic war.
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    Post  TR1 Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:43 pm

    Hard to say, there were some naval units that strangely enough fought in Afghanistan and Chechnya as well. I'd imagine they would be no better than a permanent readiness brigade, all elite talk aside, though with far less organic firepower, armor, and AD.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:59 pm

    TR1 wrote:Hard to say, there were some naval units that strangely enough fought in Afghanistan and Chechnya as well. I'd imagine they would be no better than a permanent readiness brigade, all elite talk aside, though with far less organic firepower, armor, and AD.

    You're right I think; although military tradition and espirit de corps does carry with it a substantial weight all of its own.

    The naval infantry, full-strength motor-rifle brigades, and VDV all get about as much training as each other, have a similar ratio of conscripts to proffesionals, etc... The difference lies in some specifics; for the VDV its airborne training; for the marines its amphibious (and airborne for some too), for the motor-rifles they just have that time and use it for something else instead, etc...

    The real elite units I'd imagine with the highest amount of combat veterans and proffesional soldiers are of course the various Spetsnaz, FSB troops and some units permanently deployed in the North Caucasus.
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    Post  George1 Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:05 pm

    Here are some photos of a russian naval infantry exercise

    Can anyone recognize what type of vehicles are in photos below?

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:36 am

    Russian Naval Infantry units have traditionally had a fairly fierce reputation for doing a good job, I am pretty sure this reputation continues in the training and culture of these units.

    Without a conflict however it is hard to see what sort of performance level they are at, and the fact that they are not always issued the latest gear can blur the issue for some.

    Needless to say the blue and white striped T Shirts... whether they are bright blue and worn by the VDV or dark blue and worn by the RNI separate them from the average rank and file generally.

    The oddball vehicles like the PT-76 for the RNI are not a negative sign... the VDV kept the ASU-85 in service well after it became obsolete because there was no effective replacement that could be air dropped.

    Of course the PT-76 is amphibious and the ASU-85 is air portable, though the latter was replaced with ultimately by the Sprut... which will likely do the same for the PT-76.

    The vehicle shown is a PTS-M... and amphibious transport vehicle used for troops and material.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:03 am

    GarryB wrote:Needless to say the blue and white striped T Shirts... whether they are bright blue and worn by the VDV or dark blue and worn by the RNI separate them from the average rank and file generally.
    The stripped shirts worn by the Naval Infantry are also worn by the rest of the Navy Cool 
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    Post  Flyingdutchman Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:38 pm

    The Russin naval infantry Will get t90 tanks very Soon Maybe they already have Them.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:07 am

    And being a sailor would certainly separate them from the average rank and file Army grunt... Razz 

    Last I heard the RNI were getting T-80s, but now they are being replaced we have also heard...

    We do know they are getting Mistral helicopter carriers with Ka-29 troop helos, Ka-226T multipurpose helos, and armed Ka-52 attack helos.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:And being a sailor would certainly separate them from the average rank and file Army grunt... Razz 

    Last I heard the RNI were getting T-80s, but now they are being replaced we have also heard...

    We do know they are getting Mistral helicopter carriers with Ka-29 troop helos, Ka-226T multipurpose helos, and armed Ka-52 attack helos.
    I wonder what the role of the Ka-62 in all this might be? An armed version used to replace the Ka-29, at least in certain specific roles?

    That big order at the Ka-52/Ka-62 Progress plant leaves me wondering; as you pointed out - they're unlikely to all be for Ka-52 attack helicopters.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:09 pm

    I suspect the Mistrals will go to sea with various loadouts depending on its primary mission but I can't think of any mission where it would require all attack helos.

    For humanitarian missions it could carry all transport types (a mix of large and small) and certainly the Ka-62 would be useful on Mistrals, though the Ka-29 is a mature design with its nose mounted 30 cal gatling gun and 30mm cannon and four weapon pylons... the Ka-62 would have trouble matching that sort of payload.

    I wonder if they will fit a chin mounted gun on the Ka-62... the twin barrel 23mm gun as fitted to the late model Hinds is an ideal helicopter gun as it has a good HE payload with low recoil and small compact ammo, while its high rate of fire means useful burst fire groupings rather than a stream of fire you get from low rate of fire weapons.

    The difference of course is that the 23 x 115mm round is standard in aviation, but not so widely used in other areas.

    However in the various things I have read about the new Kalashnikov arms company... it seems they are developing new ammo and new weapons up to and including cannon ammo and as I have mentioned a combined 14.5 x 114mm/23 x 115mm anti material rifle would be interesting... especially as they will make custom ammo for it... which means a SLAP 14.5mm round and perhaps even a SLAP 23mm round with smoothbore barrels and high velocity.

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