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    GarryB

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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 21, 2017 1:22 am

    Hoe does that these landing ships don't stuck in the beach?

    They have internal ballast tanks that allow them to sink the rear and raise the fronts when the cargo of vehicles drive off, so they can close the nose doors and sink the rear to take the weight off the nose and reverse away.

    The SA-9 and SA-13 are still rather useful vehicles that carry missiles that are still very effective against enemy aircraft while being light and relatively cheap and very mobile.

    Considering these forces were going to get two Mistral class carriers with Ka-52K support attack helos and can use naval tube and rocket artillery for support they are not that bad off.

    Generally you should not compare them with first line NATO forces because they will tend to land in remote areas and then form a beach head where more conventional forces are landed to then take an airfield inland or to attack a port or some such thing.


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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun May 21, 2017 1:32 am

    nastle77 wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:
    nastle77 wrote:During the Soviet period did the marines have any swift boats?  Small boats that are fast And equipped with machine guns rocket launchers that can be used as interceptors in brown waters?

    Currently we have Project 1400M in the Northern Fleet and Project 1204 in the Caspian flotilla, the 1204 being better armed and more what you're looking for.

    http://rusnavy.com/nowadays/strength/surfaceships/ak-388/
    http://rusnavy.com/nowadays/strength/surfaceships/ak-248/

    In WW2 we have the "Riverine Tanks" Project 1124/5 and S-40.

    http://www.wio.ru/fleet/ww2armorb.htm

    Well the zhuk class and p4 class boats of postwar soviet era also fulfill this role right ?
    Did the Soviets still have komar class boats till the end of the cold war?

    Uhmm...the Zhuk-class is Project-1400M and the P4-class is a Chinese torpedo boat, your looking for the Soviet Shershen or Turya-class torpedo boats.
    No, all my sources say the same thing, they were all retired in the 80s, so when the cold war ended in the 90s there probly weren't any in service, and before that they were probly in reserves considering how popular the Osa-class was.

    Update: Here are some Soviet Torpedo boats from WW2: http://wio.ru/fleet/ww2torpb.htm
    And here's a boat that was widely used in the war, there called Naval hunter, a sorta patrol boat/sub Hunter: http://wio.ru/fleet/mo.htm
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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  kvasstank on Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:47 pm

    Baltic Fleet 336th separate naval infantry & Army exercise
    https://www.newkaliningrad.ru/news/foto/14493343--tam-pobeda-kak-morpekhi-baltflota-zakhvatyvali-poberezhe.html
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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  franco on Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:30 pm

    Another Russian Marines video for George;

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/up0brc7IHHg?rel=0&wmode=transparent
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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:19 am

    franco wrote:Another Russian Marines video for George;

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/up0brc7IHHg?rel=0&wmode=transparent

    Νice! Thanks franco, i hope that russian marines also will take more modern hardware in the future


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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  eehnie on Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:43 am

    George1 wrote:
    franco wrote:Another Russian Marines video for George;

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/up0brc7IHHg?rel=0&wmode=transparent

    Νice! Thanks franco, i hope that russian marines also will take more modern hardware in the future

    I think the BMD-4M platform opens very interesting options for them. In fact I think Naval Infantry and Airborne Troops can share most of their equipment, if not all.
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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:45 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    franco wrote:Another Russian Marines video for George;

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/up0brc7IHHg?rel=0&wmode=transparent

    Νice! Thanks franco, i hope that russian marines also will take more modern hardware in the future

    I think the BMD-4M platform opens very interesting options for them. In fact I think Naval Infantry and Airborne Troops can share most of their equipment, if not all.

    Yea, i seem to recall the air-born and the navy basically being at each others throats when the air-born was trying to get more BMD-4Ms, but for some reason the Navy kept arguing against it, i recall that thing got so outta hand that the president himself had to intervene to resolve that situation.
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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:25 am

    There was a lot of cooperation between the VDV and naval infantry in the Georgian conflict and they continued training together since then.

    I seem to remember the naval infantry wanting an amphibious version of the Kurganets, rather than a lighter vehicle (ie Tigr/Typhoon/Boomerang).


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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:There was a lot of cooperation between the VDV and naval infantry in the Georgian conflict and they continued training together since then.

    I seem to remember the naval infantry wanting an amphibious version of the Kurganets, rather than a lighter vehicle (ie Tigr/Typhoon/Boomerang).

    They have something of a rivalry with each other though. Both being these sorta meathead infantry dudes that think they're the ultimate badasses.

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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  T-47 on Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:16 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I seem to remember the naval infantry wanting an amphibious version of the Kurganets, rather than a lighter vehicle (ie Tigr/Typhoon/Boomerang).

    Yeah they need some armor which can swim!
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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  eehnie on Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:49 pm

    BMD-4M platform seems not bad swimmer

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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  franco on Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:13 pm

    We would have to see it in rough ocean water first.
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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:18 pm

    Those landing vessels in the Mistral seemed to be ideal for delivering armour from an offshore Mistral to a beach super fast... a much better option in my opinion than having armour move at 6-12 knots in open ocean for half an hour or more...


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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:08 am

    Exercises of the Northern Fleet in Taimyr (Dudinka)



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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  franco on Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:22 pm

    The unique Russian armored carrier "Boomerang" can independently swim tens of kilometers and accurately hit any targets from the surface of the water. Also, the APC can be transferred over long distances with the help of high-speed landing craft and land the military from the ships-transports to the unprepared shore. These requirements are specified in the tactical-technical task of the Navy. According to experts, for the Russian marines "Boomerang" will become a universal combat platform, capable of solving a wide range of tasks. Landing troops from the sea, supporting it with fire, and also fighting on land.

    The Bumerang BTR was developed and tested by the Military Industrial Company (OOO VPK). The car was first shown to the general public at the exhibition-forum "Army-2017". Earlier, "Boomerang" could only be seen from afar during the Victory Parades on Red Square.

    As Izvestia was told in the Navy's commander-in-chief, tactical and technical requirements for the Bumerang BTR intended for the marines have now been formed. The machine should be able not only to independently force small water obstacles, but also participate in the over-landing landing (more than 60 km from the coast - "Izvestia") of the sea assault. To do this, high-speed hovercraft will be used. In both cases, "Boomerang" should be able to fire from all types of weapons of the armament complex for coastal purposes.

    "The floating version of the Bumerang BTR is being tested," said Alexander Krasovitsky, General Director of the MIC, answering the questions of Izvestiya journalists at the 2017 Army Forum. - The shape of the car is still being finalized according to the customer's requirements, so it's too early to speak about its capabilities in more detail.

    At present, the Marine Corps units of the Navy are rearmed on BTR-82A armored personnel carriers and 120-millimeter self-propelled artillery pieces 2C31 "Vienna".

    "The plans for the development of the Navy include the construction of a series of new large amphibious assault ships of the" Lavina "type," Professor of the Academy of Military Sciences Vadim Kozyulin told Izvestia. "These ships will be able to deliver up to 60 light armored vehicles to the shore, drop it on the unequipped shore through the forward ramp or transfer it to the land by speedboats. As part of this work, the sailors ordered their own development of a prospective combat vehicle in place of classic armored personnel carriers, but because of the limited funds, the work was not developed. "Boomerang" can be considered a compromise, which will ensure the marines as seaworthiness of the vehicle during the landing from the water, and increased firepower.

    Today, "Boomerang" - one of the most versatile combat platforms, created by a modular type. BTR received the front engine layout. This arrangement protects the crew and troops from the bullets and grenades of the enemy, and also provides a more convenient exit from the car through the aft ramp. The machine has amphibian capabilities thanks to a sealed displacement armored hull and two water cannons located in the stern of the armored personnel carrier behind the wheels of the machine. They provide the mobility of a 20-ton "Boomerang" on the water with a maximum speed of at least 12 km / h.

    Unlike the BTR-82A, the Boomerang can be equipped with various unmanned combat modules with weapons of caliber from 12.7 mm to 125 mm. In a number of configurations, an anti-tank missile system is included in the armament complex. This significantly distinguishes it from its predecessors and allows it to offer a platform to virtually any of the Russian law enforcement agencies, be it the Land Forces, the National Guard or the Navy's Marine Corps. On the basis of the unified armored platform "Boomerang", an armored personnel carrier K-16 and a wheeled infantry fighting vehicle K-17 have already been developed. Completion of tests of the basic version of the Bumerang APC is expected this year.
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    Re: Russian Naval Infantry

    Post  eehnie on Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:18 pm


    Then it seems the Naval Infantry will go to the Bumerang platform.

    It means a very close relation betheen the Russian Naval Infantry and the Russian Army instead than with the Airborne Troops. It is also positive, this relation would also help to keep the standards of the Naval Infantry in line with the standards of the other branches of the Russian Armed Forces.

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