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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  Werewolf on Tue May 26, 2015 6:58 pm

    max steel wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:

    That is exactly what all countries are doing, find oil in international waters and build drilling islands there as a PERMANENT place.



    EXAMPLE ? CAN YOU NAME any nation doing what you said .

    Russia, USA, France, Japan, China there are many countries that are doing this.

    There are some even at Arctis by US companies.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Tue May 26, 2015 10:37 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    max steel wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:

    That is exactly what all countries are doing, find oil in international waters and build drilling islands there as a PERMANENT place.



    EXAMPLE ? CAN YOU NAME any nation doing what you said .

    Russia, USA, France, Japan, China there are many countries that are doing this.

    There are some even at Arctis by US companies.

    There are no oil rigs outside what is called exclusive economic zone. There is an agency called International Seabed Authority dealing with international water drilling of some polymers especially Manganese but they have a pretty low revenue. Creating an artificial island is much worse because it comes with it's own sovereignty zone as can be seen here:



    So it's a definite no no.

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    Japan just joined the US and Australia in an 'unprecedented' collaboration amid China tensions

    Post  AirCargo on Wed May 27, 2015 6:38 am

    Japan just joined the US and Australia in an 'unprecedented' collaboration amid China tensions

    http://www.businessinsider.com/r-japan-to-join-us-australia-war-games-amid-growing-china-tensions-2015-5

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Wed May 27, 2015 8:10 am

    Empire doing everything it could to survive . It will be nice to see how usa wil deal with china and ryssua together .

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 27, 2015 11:41 am

    The US ignores international law all the time... why should China care?

    China has just "found a new island" the way all the colonial powers of Europe did... the alternative is to fight over existing islands... I know which I prefer...


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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  George1 on Sat May 30, 2015 12:37 am

    US to Arm China’s Pacific Neighbors to Counter Beijing’s Growing Influence

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20150529/1022730493.html#ixzz3bZNd5lDI

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  kvs on Sat May 30, 2015 2:01 pm

    Somebody provide an example where building islands in international waters is considered a violation of international law.
    Sorry, but gut feelings aren't good enough.

    I do not think that oil rigs are a good example since they are transient structures by definition.

    As for the argument that these islands interfere with navigation, that is a total crock. The only reason such islands can be
    created is because the waters are very shallow due to existing subsurface "islands". These features would be avoided by
    ships in the first place.

    Anyway, it is nice to see Uncle Sam squirm because China is running circles around his imperial ambitions. The
    clowns in the USA probably didn't anticipate this Chinese response. Unlike Uncle Sam, China is not foisting regime
    change on indigenous local people to install military bases like is the MO of the USA. Yet it is Uncle Sam who is
    supposedly some guardian of human dignity and a force for good. Bollocks.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  kvs on Sat May 30, 2015 2:03 pm

    George1 wrote:US to Arm China’s Pacific Neighbors to Counter Beijing’s Growing Influence

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/us/20150529/1022730493.html#ixzz3bZNd5lDI

    The US is generating conflict and division. Divide et impera.

    It is cute how the western media always yaps about Russia "creating tension" by saving South Ossetians from Suckassvilli the US
    stooge's ethnic cleansing or holding military exercises in Rostov. But this brazen attempt at stocking armed conflict by the USA
    is some sort of good works. attack

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Sat May 30, 2015 2:54 pm

    China's Strategic Modernization . Report from International Security Advisor Board

    https://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/ISAB2008.pdf

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  kvs on Sat May 30, 2015 5:17 pm

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/05/29/why-is-obama-goading-china/

    Pivot Insanity
    Why is Obama Goading China?
    by MIKE WHITNEY

    US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter is willing to risk a war with China in order to defend “freedom of navigation” in the South China Sea. Speaking in Honolulu, Hawaii on Wednesday, Carter issued his “most forceful” warning yet, demanding “an immediate and lasting halt to land reclamation” by China in the disputed Spratly Islands.

    Carter said: “There should be no mistake: The United States will fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows, as we do all around the world.” He also added that the United States intended to remain “the principal security power in the Asia-Pacific for decades to come.”

    In order to show Chinese leaders “who’s the boss”, Carter has threatened to deploy US warships and surveillance aircraft to within twelve miles of the islands that China claims are within their territorial waters. Not surprisingly, the US is challenging China under the provisions of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, a document the US has stubbornly refused to ratify. But that’s neither here nor there for the bellicose Carter whose insatiable appetite for confrontation makes him the most reckless Sec-Def since Donald Rumsfeld.

    So what’s this really all about? Why does Washington care so much about a couple hundred yards of sand piled up on reefs reefs in the South China Sea? What danger does that pose to US national security? And, haven’t Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines all engaged in similar “land reclamation” activities without raising hackles in DC?

    Of course, they have. The whole thing is a joke. Just like Carter’s claim that he’s defending the lofty principal of “freedom of navigation” is a joke. China has never blocked shipping lanes or seized boats sailing in international waters. Never. The same cannot be said of the United States that just recently blocked an Iranian ship loaded with humanitarian relief–food, water and critical medical supplies–headed to starving refugees in Yemen. Of course, when the US does it, it’s okay.

    The point is, Washington doesn’t give a hoot about the Spratly Islands; it’s just a pretext to slap China around and show them who’s running the show in their own backyard. Carter even admits as much in his statement above when he says that the US plans to be “the principal security power in the Asia-Pacific for decades to come.” China knows what that means. It means “This is our planet, so you’d better shape up or you’re going to find yourself in a world of hurt.” That’s exactly what it means.

    That rotten worm Uncle Sam is trying to terrorize China out of its alliance with Russia.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  GarryB on Sun May 31, 2015 4:38 am

    Well I would think it is more of a case that the US yet again reminds China who the real enemy is if it didn't know full well already.

    The US will find problems for itself if it keeps creating enemies for itself...


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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  Pinto on Sun May 31, 2015 11:15 am

    US can be effectively isolated over south china sea if china can settle its long standing border issues with India or with any other county in its border area. South china sea is a complex issues involving many countries and can be better settled solved by china if other border issues are settled

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Sun May 31, 2015 10:04 pm

    Pinto your words


    Island row: China and Japan may sign pact to end crisis

    China and Japan may sign an agreement to diffuse maritime crisis between the two nations.

    The two countries have come close to a military confrontation over a sea dispute on a few occasions in recent years.

    Two military leaders, Vice Chief of Staff of China's People's Liberation Army Sun Jianguo and Director General of the Japanese Defense Ministry's Defense Policy Bureau Hideshi Tokuchi, have expressed hope that the two countries will soon sign a Memorandum of Understanding on the maritime and aerial crisis liaison mechanism.


    Sources said that the move is significant because Japan has decided to get out its pacifists constitution and develop military capability of its own instead of depending entirely on the United States. China also wants Tokyo to get out of the US influence and deal directly with it, observers said.

    The two countries are quarrelling over ownership of the Diayou Islands (called Senkaku in Japanese) in the East China Sea which is currently in Japan's control. China also has a serious grouse against Japan for allowing its soldiers to torture thousands of Chinese men and women during World War II.

    Sun told Japanese officials that China is willing to work with Japan to promote the good- neighborly relations and cooperation, according to the official Xinhua news agency. It wants to protect the hard-won progress in the improvement of bilateral ties, Sun said, indicating that China would do nothing to aggravate the differences.

    China is keen to push Washington out of the picture although the US maintains significant naval presence in the region to reassure its allies like Japan of its protection, sources said.

    Sun expressed hope that the two sides would continue defense exchanges and cooperation, strengthen mutual understanding along with enhanced management and control over contradictions and crisis.

    Tokuchi said Japan is willing to make efforts to improve the bilateral ties there were sharp difficulties and differences in the Sino-Japan relations.

    Cooperation in the defense and security field would go a long way to improve bilateral ties, he said. There are indications the two countries might take a step forward and consider holding a joint military exercise at a limited scale as a confidence building measure, sources said.


    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Island-row-China-and-Japan-may-sign-pact-to-end-crisis/articleshow/47486618.cms

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:12 pm

    Philippine President Compares China to Nazi Germany While Visiting Japan

    You cannot make this stuff up. Man, when politicians have nothing else to complain about, and have no idea what to do, they just love to use the Nazi Germany card. While Ukraine shows real stance of Nazism, China does not obviously.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:34 am

    sepheronx wrote:Philippine President Compares China to Nazi Germany While Visiting Japan

    You cannot make this stuff up.  Man, when politicians have nothing else to complain about, and have no idea what to do, they just love to use the Nazi Germany card.  While Ukraine shows real stance of Nazism, China does not obviously.

    after Japan and Philippines join the "front" against china. It seems it is a well organized US effort

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:34 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Philippine President Compares China to Nazi Germany While Visiting Japan

    You cannot make this stuff up.  Man, when politicians have nothing else to complain about, and have no idea what to do, they just love to use the Nazi Germany card.  While Ukraine shows real stance of Nazism, China does not obviously.

    ...Meanwhile the Japanese whitewash and ignore all the crimes against humanity committed by the Imperial Japanese military during WW2, including the ones they committed in the Philippines...yes the comfort women, all out it....talk about ironic!!! lol1

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    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:10 am

    George1 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Philippine President Compares China to Nazi Germany While Visiting Japan

    You cannot make this stuff up.  Man, when politicians have nothing else to complain about, and have no idea what to do, they just love to use the Nazi Germany card.  While Ukraine shows real stance of Nazism, China does not obviously.

    after Japan and Philippines join the "front" against china. It seems it is a well organized US effort
    nope its not- the Chinese have our economy by the balls. money talks, BS walks.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:26 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    George1 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Philippine President Compares China to Nazi Germany While Visiting Japan

    You cannot make this stuff up.  Man, when politicians have nothing else to complain about, and have no idea what to do, they just love to use the Nazi Germany card.  While Ukraine shows real stance of Nazism, China does not obviously.

    after Japan and Philippines join the "front" against china. It seems it is a well organized US effort
    nope its not- the Chinese have our economy by the balls. money talks, BS walks.

    My serious beef is that the Philippine president wants to label China "Nazi Germany", but at the same time visiting a country (Japan) that not only allied with fascist ideologues of Europe, but even refuses to recognize the crimes their fascists committed (unlike Germany and Italy), including the crimes committed against the Filipino diaspora.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:59 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    My serious beef is that the Philippine president wants to label China "Nazi Germany", but at the same time visiting a country (Japan) that not only allied with fascist ideologues of Europe, but even refuses to recognize the crimes their fascists committed (unlike Germany and Italy), including the crimes committed against the Filipino diaspora.
    he can label them the great satan or whatever he wants. nobody fcking cares here. us Filipinos have short memory for most things; nobody holds grudges from when his/her ancestor got screwed by the other's ancestors, thats just too much stress and bothersome.

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:23 am

    If anyone is interested do read US assessment on China's Military Strength

    http://www.defense.gov/pubs/2015_China_Military_Power_Report.pdf

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    Post  type055 on Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:36 am

    USA is building Diego Garcia in India ocean, it seems international law is made for US dunno

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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  max steel on Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:05 pm

    see chinese aggression in south china sea .



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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:27 am

    Hahahaha... all I can say to China, is that if it is getting the US this wound up it must be good for China... Keep doing it.


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    Re: U.S Military encirclement of China

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:27 pm

    GarryB wrote:Hahahaha... all I can say to China, is that if it is getting the US this wound up it must be good for China... Keep doing it.

    Fully Aggree.

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    Post  RedJasmin on Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:24 pm

    max steel wrote:see chinese aggression in south china sea .



    I don't think you can simply say China is the agressor in the Spratley issue. All the nations involved have piled in on the land reclamation, militarisation and colonisation game. China has taken more steps in reclamation simply because she was a late-comer to the party, and all the best seats had already been taken, so she was left with reefs that were smallest, if not completely underwater.

    Also for all the talk by the USA (and Australia) about "controlling trade routes" - the country with the most interest in smooth trade through the South China Sea is China itself, since virtually all her imports and exports pass that way, and unlike Japan, cannot realistically go via any other route. Disruption in the SCS would be inconvenient for Japan - it would add a few days to her shipping to/from Europe - and irrelevant to the US. For China, it would be an unmitigated disaster - hence her desire to protect it from falling into American naval hands and being used as a weapon against her.

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