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    Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:16 am

    OK, looks like the engine issue wasn't resolved at all, and there's no mention of any more investment into this project, a pity.
    Truly a missed opportunity.

    People can scream old design all they like, if she works, she works, that's all there is to it.

    I wonder what Yantar is going to making next?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:57 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:OK, looks like the engine issue wasn't resolved at all, and there's no mention of any more investment into this project, a pity.
    Truly a missed opportunity.

    People can scream old design all they like, if she works, she works, that's all there is to it.

    I wonder what Yantar is going to making next?
    saturn never planned to replace all the older engines previously made in the ukraine (also because it would not make any sense). Only three modern gas turbine engine models, covering most of the navy needs for new ships.

    The problem is not just the design. All the sensors, electronic, guidance systems for weapons, etc are at least a generation older compared to gorshkov.
    They spent so much time finally fixing gorshkov...

    Yantar could build additional grigorovic for export, if ukraine provide the engines,
    or additional LSTs (improved Ivan Grens),
    or it could start building gorshkov in parallel to Severnaya Verf. They could also build 20386 there, otherwise.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:46 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:The problem is not just the design. All the sensors, electronic, guidance systems for weapons, etc are at least a generation older compared to gorshkov.
    They spent so much time finally fixing gorshkov...

    Yantar could build additional grigorovic for export, if ukraine provide the engines,
    or additional LSTs (improved Ivan Grens),
    or it could start building gorshkov in parallel to Severnaya Verf. They could also build 20386 there, otherwise.

    I doubt that, all they'd need is the sensors and guidance for the Redut, everything else could stay.

    Considering they already transferred ToT to India, that is simply not happening.
    The other 2 option are more likely.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:55 am

    Isos wrote:...Since the ships are already build and only lack engines and knowing that the next 15 or 20 Gorshkovs will be send primarly to NF and PF, yes they should be happy with them.


    Russia will never get engines for them. Not happening.

    The Ukraine didn't even want to give them for Indian ships until India started squeezing their balls through diplomatic channels.



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