etaepsilonk wrote:Vann7 wrote:GarryB wrote:
What Frigate is better armed than that?
Clearly you dont see the problem.
Is Irrelevant which frigate is better. It will not even matter if NATO have no frigates at all to compare.
Is not a vis vs vis competition. NATO will not Care about their Frigates being weaker. and don't need to show a frigate at all.
if you RUssia bring a Frigate, NATO will bring what they have.. Destroyers and Cruisers with at least 1 aircraft carrier.
and will stay away of Oniks Range and use its Navl Airforce for offense.
US navy not even have Frigates.. don't know why the comparison. irrelevant that is the best frigate.
This means that the Grigorovich-class frigate will be limited on its operations.
Cannot operate without a stronger ship escort that can defend the frigate from land airforce or aircraft carrier airforce.
Because it will be sniped by any combat jet and could not fight back. So it will be limited by Coastal patrols
to be defended by Air Force or escorted by an aircraft carrier or a Kirov.
This also means the 6x Grigorovich class they will build will not be able be used to help in the defense of any allies away of Russian Territory unless is escorted by Bigger warships with S-300s or better defenses. Because will be overwhelmed by Any small airforce.
In case of any war.. NATO naval airforce- any third world country airforce will deal with Russian navy limitation against Airforce.
and Use their combat jets against Russia navy.. Major enemy of Russian NAVY will not be NATO warships but Combat jets .
They will exploit Russian weakness in airspace defense on its navy. Kirov cannot be in all parts at same time. Neither its Aircraft carrier.
IF Russia build only Gorshov class frigates , instead of just 4 they could build 2-3 more and have Frigates that could
Be used to lead battle groups ,With strong Sam defense capabilities. 2-3 Gorshov could be used as a replacement of 1 Kirov Class.
And allow Russia to use their Frigates as Lead Ships and Project Power world wide.
OK, first, Russian naval doctrine is defensive, so in WW3 you can bet, that you won't see Russian SAGs contesting GIUK gap, unfortunately.
And second, ships tend to be vulnerable against aircraft, and that's not limited to "gr" frigate only.
Send 3 squadrons of F-18s against the Kirov, and you'll see it in flames.
Equally, send 3 squadrons of Su-30s against the Ticonderoga, and you'll see it in flames too.
Yes. You may actually call gorshie "the pocket destroyer".
what about a Kh-32 against aircraft carrier??