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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Singular_trafo on Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia has said it will be able to produce the new engines by 2018... it never said anything about mass production or even production capacity or production of spare parts.


    It is not the engine that challange, but the transmission.

    Helicopter engine manufacturers can make transmission for these ships.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:26 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia has said it will be able to produce the new engines by 2018... it never said anything about mass production or even production capacity or production of spare parts.

    Going purely by time basis if the ships wont be in service tell 2021-22 it does not take 3 years for sea trails. nor should it take them a year to put the engines into the ships, the engines wont be done by that time going by such a date.

    Is all I am saying.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:45 am

    From Balancers' forum

    I don't even... dunno

    Also: Grigorovich has recently gone out to the Med, seems to be officially doing a bit of 'show the flag' but I'm expecting it to show up off Syria & launch some Calibr sooner or later.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:56 pm


    Admiral Makarov started testing

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/84555/
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:12 am

    Grigorovich is back at Sevastopol, apparently was just a short trip to Corfu.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:09 pm

    Russia's newly-built Admiral Makarov frigate will undergo testing in Barents Sea

    KALININGRAD, October 17. /TASS/. Russia’s newly-built frigate The Admiral Makarov has left the Baltic Sea for the Northern Fleet, where in it will undergo government certification tests in the Barents Sea, the press-secretary of the Baltic shipbuilding plant Yantar, Sergey Mikhailov has told TASS.

    "The Admiral Makarov is currently on the way from the Baltic Sea to the Arctic. Its weapon systems will undergo testing at the Northern Fleet’s testing ranges," Mikhailov said. The Admiral Makarov left the port of Baltiisk on Sunday, October 16. Starting from October 7 it underwent trials in the Baltic Sea.

    The frigate will return to the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad in the middle of November to be handed over to the Russian Navy later the same month.

    The Admiral Makarov is a third ship of project 11356 the Yantar shipyards will hand over to the customer in 2016. The first two ships in that series - The Admiral Grigorovich and The Admiral Essen - were commissioned on March 11 and June 7 respectively.

    Both ships tested there weapons and some technical systems in the Barents Sea, too.

    The Admiral Makarov began to be built at the Yantar shipyards on February 29, 2012 and launched on September 2, 2015. Project 11356 frigates have a displacement of about 4,000 tonnes, speed of 30 knots and sea endurance of 30 days. They are armed with Kalibr-NK cruise missiles, self-defense missile complex Shtil-1, 100-mm artillery piece A-190, air defense artillery, an anti-submarine warfare mortar and torpedoes and can carry one deck helicopter K-27 or Ka-31.


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    http://tass.com/defense/906865?_ga=1.98164319.1337049799.1447427261


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  zg18 on Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:37 am

    Admiral Essen is making a trip to home port of Sevastopol

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2190123.html
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  zg18 on Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:50 pm

    "Admiral Makarov" test launched Kalibr cruise missiles in  Barents Sea

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3753782
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  medo on Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:11 pm



    First combat employement of Admiral Grigorovich frigate by launching Kalibr LACMs on terrorist targets in Syria.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:18 am

    What happened to Admiral Essen, last news was that she was on its way to the Mediterranean, some people here assumed that she was going to link up with the main task force somewhere around the English Chanel, which wasn't unrealistic. It would be nice to see it patrol the seas along side the Grigorovic.

    Anyway its nice to sea that the class is making a name for it self, after all, show me a European NATO frigate that can perform that king of an attack. But then again its crappy that there wont be more of them for the Russ. Navy. The whole class has a lot of penitential for upgrades, the space on the ship certainly allows it. They are great ships over all and they can do much more, if there was only enough political will to make another one and remove the RBU-600 an place another 8-cell KALIBR launcher, realistic enough, or at the least put Palash or Naval Pantsir with 36 Shtil missiles as was originally intended.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:12 am

    I'm not sure that it actually left the Baltic.

    Its back at the shipyard.
    Rumors on Balancers it may have busted props/transmission or something dunno

    Maybe just keeping some useful force around while K etc are in the Med.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:41 pm

    Russia’s Admiral Makarov frigate returns to Baltic Sea after armament tests

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:45 pm

    Seems to be confirmed that Essen busted a prop/shaft https://lenta.ru/news/2016/11/25/essen24/
    Google translate wrote:Frigate Project 11356 "Admiral Essen" was damaged propeller and propeller shaft in setting up front in preparation for the exit to the Mediterranean Sea. This "Lente.ru" said a source in the Defense Ministry.

    According to the source, the reason why the ship did not travel in time to the Mediterranean Sea and launches of cruise missiles "Caliber" the positions of the terrorists in Syria November 15 made a "Admiral Grigorovich."
    Presume they hit a wharf while berthing or similar.
    Would have been mid Oct when rumors of leaving the Baltic were going around.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:30 pm

    hoom wrote:Seems to be confirmed that Essen busted a prop/shaft https://lenta.ru/news/2016/11/25/essen24/
    Google translate wrote:Frigate Project 11356 "Admiral Essen" was damaged propeller and propeller shaft in setting up front in preparation for the exit to the Mediterranean Sea. This "Lente.ru" said a source in the Defense Ministry.

    According to the source, the reason why the ship did not travel in time to the Mediterranean Sea and launches of cruise missiles "Caliber" the positions of the terrorists in Syria November 15 made a "Admiral Grigorovich."
    Presume they hit a wharf while berthing or similar.
    Would have been mid Oct when rumors of leaving the Baltic were going around.

    I read yesterday that the captain was removed from command and that his last command was of a small missile ship, not sure what kind and am not saying that like there is something weird about it. Anyway, the article also said that the crew is feeling very bad that they did not participate in the attach, launching missiles with Adm. Grigorovic presumably. If nothing now they will be able to sail to the Mediterranean together with Adm. Makarov, she will be ready in a couple of weeks unless some other cluster-fuck happens.

    The article also did not forget to remind us that Adm. Grigorovic hit the haul when it arrived in Sevastopol.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:09 am

    Yes I'd heard the rumor the captain was fired.

    According to this he was just following orders http://flot.com/2016/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8F450/
    Apparently the Commander & Deputy Commander of BSF were onboard & the deputy overruled the captain's intention to wait for a tug to help berth -> prop caught up in the chain of the mooring buoy silent

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:06 pm

    hoom wrote:Yes I'd heard the rumor the captain was fired.

    According to this he was just following orders http://flot.com/2016/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8F450/
    Apparently the Commander & Deputy Commander of BSF were onboard & the deputy overruled the captain's intention to wait for a tug to help berth -> prop caught up in the chain of the mooring buoy silent

    Such a waste of a good ship, I guess someone went FULL retard, I just hope that the right people get punished and not some scapegoat.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:11 pm

    Admiral Makarov has concluded State tests


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:08 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Admiral Makarov has concluded State tests


    So can I be the first to ask, what is that launch tube behind the main gun on top of the SAM vertical tubes.

    Looks like the top of a Stihl missile coming out of it.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:14 pm

    miroslav wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Admiral Makarov has concluded State tests


    So can I be the first to ask, what is that launch tube behind the main gun on top of the SAM vertical tubes.

    Looks like the top of a Stihl missile coming out of it.

    At 00:25 it looks like the right size for a 9M317ME missile, 5.18 m.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  franco on Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:05 pm

    miroslav wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Admiral Makarov has concluded State tests


    So can I be the first to ask, what is that launch tube behind the main gun on top of the SAM vertical tubes.

    Looks like the top of a Stihl missile coming out of it.

    The 11356 is equipped with a single Stihl-1 missile launcher with 24 missiles.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:19 pm

    franco wrote:
    miroslav wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Admiral Makarov has concluded State tests


    So can I be the first to ask, what is that launch tube behind the main gun on top of the SAM vertical tubes.

    Looks like the top of a Stihl missile coming out of it.

    The 11356 is equipped with a single Stihl-1 missile launcher with 24 missiles.  

    That's true for the Talwar. Grigo class is meant to have Shtil VLS. I don't know what miroslav spotted, good eyes.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  franco on Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:28 pm

    I checked the specs and you are correct... but it sure looks like someone forgot to notify the shipyard. Will have to find some overhead shots to confirm.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  miroslav on Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:32 am

    [quote="KiloGolf"]
    franco wrote:
    miroslav wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:Admiral Makarov has concluded State tests

    So can I be the first to ask, what is that launch tube behind the main gun on top of the SAM vertical tubes.

    Looks like the top of a Stihl missile coming out of it.

    The 11356 is equipped with a single Stihl-1 missile launcher with 24 missiles.  

    That's true for the Talwar. Grigo class is meant to have Shtil VLS. I don't know what miroslav spotted, good eyes.

    Well it obliviously is not a launcher like the one you find on a Talwar or a Sovremeny. It's looks like some "improvised" fixed test launch tube. Definitely very rudimentary, just a tube and legs to hold it. But it look like the Shtil VLS is there, the bulge behind the gun, but the mystery tube with a missile sticking out is placed directly across it.

    I first tout that they are using some sort of a missile target to launch and have one of the 20380 corvettes shoot it down but then I tout that they are probably using an older version of the Shtil missile like the ones on Talwar and/or Sovremeny for test and evaluation purposes before testing the vertically launched ones, to confirm the proper function of the targeting and illuminating radars.

    Who knows how old this video is, it might be from the beginning of the weapons trials period.
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:30 am

    probably using an older version of the Shtil missile like the ones on Talwar and/or Sovremeny for test and evaluation purposes before testing the vertically launched ones, to confirm the proper function of the targeting and illuminating radars.
    Could be.
    People had spotted this over at Balancer forum back in October when it was starting tests but didn't come up with anything like a good explanation



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