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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:13 pm

    If there was an MSM headline: 'New Russian warship aggressively passes within meters of other ship!'

    Reality: Grigorovich crew renders friendly Passing Honours in the Med (via Balancers, sadly doesn't seem to be made clear which ship they are passing)

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  franco on Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:44 pm

    Simferopol, June 10 -. RIA Novosti Russia's Black Sea fleet replenished with another five frigates of Project 11356, according to Presidential Envoy in Crimean Federal District Oleg Belavenets.

    The first frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" Project 11356 arrived on Thursday to the place of permanent basing in Sevastopol.
    "Yesterday in Sevastopol came the lead ship of the series 11356" Admiral Grigorovich "This ultra-modern frigate of this class ships did not go to the Crimea for about 35 years, Navy is strengthened in the near future will approach another of the frigate of the same class -.." Admiral Essen " - said Belavenets at a ceremony on the occasion of the forthcoming Day of Russia.
    In addition, according to the envoy, in a few years it is expected to arrive even more frigates.
    "Six ships of this class will be in the Black Sea and the Mediterranean", - summed up Belavenets.


    Sounds like they plan to build all 6 frigates as originally planned. Must be developing a replacement engine.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:55 am

    Infographic from the Italian guy who does those http://charly015.blogspot.com/2016/06/el-primer-rayon-del-coche-nuevo.html

    I hadn't realised the dome on the hangar is an air search radar, thought it was a satelite antenna.
    I guess it works with the AK-630s?

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GRU on Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:04 am

    hoom wrote:Infographic from the Italian guy who does those http://charly015.blogspot.com/2016/06/el-primer-rayon-del-coche-nuevo.html

    I hadn't realised the dome on the hangar is an air search radar, thought it was a satelite antenna.
    I guess it works with the AK-630s?

    a lil off topic, is it just me or this ship looks "not finished"/ ugly

    they should do more like this: what do you guys think?


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:07 am

    Well that would be this

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:54 am

    Don't know where it came from but that idea of the multi pagoda type structure is very very stupid... it reduces internal volume while greatly increasing the number of corners which is bad from a stealth perspective... and it looks stupid.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:02 pm

    GRU wrote:a lil off topic, is it just me or this ship looks "not finished"/ ugly

    they should do more like this: what do you guys think?

    Not really, it's even better than your average EU/NATO navy frigate. RBU-6000 and Kalibr capabilities are destroyer-level little perks. Russia better build these frigates in greater numbers, maybe expand their shipbuilding in Crimea.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:07 pm

    i think project 11356 frigates where selected only for BLS fleet because they wanted to replace old 40-year age ships quickly. And this class was already in production for Indian Navy.
    For other fleets they will produce the more multi-role and heavy project 22350.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:26 pm


    Admiral Grigorovich walkthrough:


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:52 am

    Kind of amazing they let a whole heap of people on with cameras & apparently pretty much free reign of the ship.
    Bridge looks a bit disappointingly small & basic? Presumably a CIC with the nice bits elsewhere?

    Also from same channel this is the docking vid I couldn't find before

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  zg18 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:16 pm

    3rd ship in class, "Admiral Makarov" demagnetization


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:24 am

    Oh nice, I saw pics but failed to register its the 3rd ship.
    That should mean it can be in BSF by the end of the year?

    Essen was degaussed in Dec & hasn't quite arrived yet so I guess unless they speed things up a bit its more likely to be in service but not at BSF till 1/4 '17.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:28 am

    and the last 3 go for 2018?? to be in service?


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:23 am

    George1 wrote:and the last 3 go for 2018?? to be in service?

    The remaining three for what moscow says will be in service around 2020 they will have the gas turbines by 2018 then they need to make sure they work, instill them on the ships finishing building the ships, sea trails etc.

    Which is fine Russia doesn't NEED them its more of a nice thing to have.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  marat on Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:04 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    George1 wrote:and the last 3 go for 2018?? to be in service?

    The remaining three for what moscow says will be in service around 2020 they will have the gas turbines by 2018 then they need to make sure they work, instill them on the ships finishing building the ships, sea trails etc.

    Which is fine Russia doesn't NEED them its more of a nice thing to have.

    Well i think that Russia do NEED them as there would not be enought ocean going ships in navy all of that time. Now it it clear that untin 2030-ies Russia will be in lack of big ships.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:24 am

    Interesting. But I agree that it will take time. Funny though, they make large nuclear based propulsion for ships which would be ideal to make for larger ships like the proposed Liner. And they were able to get a ship out in relatively quick time too (latest ice breaker).

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Honesroc on Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:22 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Interesting.  But I agree that it will take time.  Funny though, they make large nuclear based propulsion for ships which would be ideal to make for larger ships like the proposed Liner.  And they were able to get a ship out in relatively quick time too (latest ice breaker).

    If I'm not mistaken, the Arktika won't be completed until 2018 - it has a ways to go yet.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:41 am

    Bridge looks a bit disappointingly small & basic? Presumably a CIC with the nice bits elsewhere?
    Apologies for self-quote but here is some welcome clarification via Balancers'
    Outer bridge

    Inner/CIC with plenty of 'glass'

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:44 am

    So I'd been thinking of the Shtil-1 as being a 50km range system per various online sources but with recent Buk-M3 test articles quoting 70km range/35km height with the same 3M317ME missile this has me wondering if the quoted 50km is the export version & Grigorovich will actually have 70km range? Suspect

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  ult on Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:02 pm

    Admiral Makarov.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:11 pm

    Does anyone know what the little ball is either side of the hangar above the AK630?
    Shell tracking radar or an EO/IR ball?

    One thing the class seems to lack is EO/IR.
    There are the periscopes on the bridge wings but I suspect they are of pretty limited capability, Gorschkov has both those & a pair of EO/IR balls up the mast as well as EO/IR on the Palash mounts.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:02 pm

    Frigate "Admiral Makarov" transferred to the factory sea trials



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2007116.html


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  jhelb on Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:Don't know where it came from but that idea of the multi pagoda type structure is very very stupid... it reduces internal volume while greatly increasing the number of corners which is bad from a stealth perspective... and it looks stupid.

    GarryB, not sure if this issue was reported by the press in New Zealand but in the UK it is been widely circulated. It seems the UK's Type 45 Destroyers is breaking down on a daily basis because its engines are not able to cope with the warm water of the Middle East.

    I am concerned because several Russian ships uses Ukranian engines and they are not known for performing well in warm water. So, in your assessment is their a possibility that Russian destroyers,frigates, cruisers will face similar issues if they venture into warm water?

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/07/destroyers-will-break-down-if-sent-to-middle-east-admits-royal-navy

    P.S: On a separate note the Royal Navy has a reputation of abandoning ships in troubled waters Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:45 am

    It is hard to say without more information, but I would prefer Russian boats be able to handle really cold water and ice as a primary concern and warmer water as a lower priority.

    Of course considering the great maritime power the British used to be I think it is amusing their ships can't handle warm water... made more amusing by the western claims that they invade countries like Afghanistan in search of warm water ports.

    Clearly the issue is engine cooling and their cooling system requiring cooler water for the process of keeping the engines cool... I suspect the problem is volume rather than incoming water temperature as being able to pump through more water would allow better cooling of the engines.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  hoom on Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:48 am

    Any of that type of issues should have been identified & sorted on the first batch of Talwars , if not quickly at least before India ordered the 2nd batch.

    Also they have separate high speed/low speed turbines + separate diesel generators.

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