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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Viktor on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:52 pm

    2 more days until first one hits the water  thumbsup 


    New warship to Russia's Black Sea Fleet was launched on March 14 See the original material on http://www.interfax.ru/russia/364105

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:27 pm

    Hey Austin, that is definitely an SA-13 missile, but the second photo of the optical ports on the side of the missile suggests a laser proximity fuse... more accurate and reliable than a radio proximity fuse and harder to interfere with...


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Viktor on Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:15 pm

    Nice  russia 

    first frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" new 11356 launched in Kaliningrad

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:43 pm

    Viktor wrote:Nice  russia 

    first frigate "Admiral Grigorovich" new 11356 launched in Kaliningrad


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:07 pm

    No gun yet......lame.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:56 pm

    And no Shtil yet either it looks like (though that does confirm it is VLS Smile) ...inside looks barely finished....yeah this guy isn't going to be in service until 2015.

    Contract missed by a bout a year.
    Oh well, there has been worse.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  zino on Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:40 am

    TR1 wrote:No gun yet......lame.

    C'mon! You should support Russian Navy more! You are so unpatriotic!



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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:26 am

    TR1 wrote:And no Shtil yet either it looks like (though that does confirm it is VLS Smile) ...inside looks barely finished....yeah this guy isn't going to be in service until 2015.

    Contract missed by a bout a year.
    Oh well, there has been worse.

    Oh well. Once its finished, it will be grand. This ship is quite important, and even though its based off of the version sold to India, this one is far superior with VLS. Such ship, once finished, will serve well.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:30 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    TR1 wrote:And no Shtil yet either it looks like (though that does confirm it is VLS Smile) ...inside looks barely finished....yeah this guy isn't going to be in service until 2015.

    Contract missed by a bout a year.
    Oh well, there has been worse.

    Oh well.  Once its finished, it will be grand.  This ship is quite important, and even though its based off of the version sold to India, this one is far superior with VLS.  Such ship, once finished, will serve well.

    Newer gun too, and most importantly new combat-information system.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:37 am

    TR1 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    TR1 wrote:And no Shtil yet either it looks like (though that does confirm it is VLS Smile) ...inside looks barely finished....yeah this guy isn't going to be in service until 2015.

    Contract missed by a bout a year.
    Oh well, there has been worse.

    Oh well.  Once its finished, it will be grand.  This ship is quite important, and even though its based off of the version sold to India, this one is far superior with VLS.  Such ship, once finished, will serve well.

    Newer gun too, and most importantly new combat-information system.


    Forgot about those. It is just that VLS system is so cool and it is nice to hear that is the way Russian mod is wanting to go for Navy vessels.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:22 am

    They are just launching her... they are not sending her off to war...


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:25 pm

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=378523&download=2&type=.jpg
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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:56 am

    http://voenternet.ru/tobeprepared/2014/03/15/%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80-%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB-%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87-%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F-%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0/

    Good pics of teh launch.

    Bad weather delaying the actual procedure.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:52 pm

    In the water:

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=379168&download=2&type=.jpg

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  George1 on Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:34 pm

    Russian Navy cancels contract for sixth Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate "Admiral Kornilov"
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/787089.html

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:42 pm

    George1 wrote:Russian Navy cancels contract for sixth Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate "Admiral Kornilov"
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/787089.html
    Looks like it's going to be replaced with an Admiral Gorshkov-class frigate, so does that mean it will be constructed at the Wharf Shipyard in St.Petersburg??
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Sergei_Gorshkov_class_frigate

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Vympel on Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:01 pm

    So what's the story? Is the sixth ship cancelled, or not?

    Also, is there any clarity on whether it'll have AK-630 instead of Kashtan, like the last three Talwars built for India? Why not Palma/Palash or whatever? (Since they're not building Kashtan anymore)

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:08 pm

    Ak-630 for sure.

    I think yard ordered them a while back and wanted to use them up.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:33 pm

    Should be noted that AK-630 has likely improved quite a bit with the introduction of newer more capable radar directors for them...


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  Vympel on Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:Should be noted that AK-630 has likely improved quite a bit with the introduction of newer more capable radar directors for them...

    It just seems cheap and something of a waste of available space - we know the Pr. 11356M can accomodate Kashtan-M guns there, therefore it should (conceivably) be able to acommodate Palma CIWS - AK-630 seems a waste. Further, even if one were to abandon the idea of a gun/missile CIWS, if you're going to use just a gun system - surely AK-630M2 "Duet" would be the ticket.

    But then, India seems to be happy with AK-630s instead of Kashtan-M in its last three Talwar-class frigates.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  GarryB on Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:33 pm

    It is a question of space... Kashtan requires at least one deck level for reload missiles and missile reloading equipment... it would not be that cheap either.

    A few AK-630s around the place with new digital aiming systems and radar that tracks targets and outgoing bursts of shells should be effective enough against most subsonic targets with more capable targets requiring a dedicated SAM, but most vessels will likely never need that anyway... especially patrol boat sized vessels.

    Many western vessels rely on MANPADS, so having a 30mm gatling is a much more versatile system.


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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:07 pm

    MOD wanted boats fast and cheap, hence the factory using spare Ak-630s they had.
    That seems to pretty much be the decision making process.

    Now the boats are late and the MOD is not happy with the price-effectiveness ratio, hence the 6th boat being in flux.

    Indian boats have short-range SAMs, Russian ones have nothing. Though the Shtil is thankfully VLS, so the response time should be better than the old launcher.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:29 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Indian boats have short-range SAMs, Russian ones have nothing. Though the Shtil is thankfully VLS, so the response time should be better than the old launcher.
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    Class overview
    Name: Admiral Grigorovich
    Builders: Yantar Shipyard
    Operators: Russian Navy
    Preceded by: Burevestnik-class frigate
    Building: 5
    Planned: 6 [1]+ 4 maybe[2]

    General characteristics
    Class & type: Frigate
    Type: Project 11356M
    Displacement:

    Standard: 3,850 tons [3]
    Full: 4,035 tons
    Length: 124.8 metres
    Beam: 15.2 metres
    Draught: 4.2 metres
    Propulsion: 2 × DS-71 gas turbines and 2 × DT-59 boost turbines, driving two shafts.
    Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h)
    Range: 4,500 mi (7,200 km) at 18 knots (33 km/h)
    Endurance: 30 days
    Complement: 220
    Crew: 190

    Sensors and
    processing systems: Surface search radar: 3Ts-25E Garpun-B, MR-212/201-1, Nucleus-2 6000A
    Air search radar: Fregat M2EM
    Fire control: JSC 5P-10E Puma FCS, 3R14N-11356 FCS, MR-90 Orekh SAM FCS
    Electronic warfare
    & decoys: TK-25E-5 EW suite, four KT-216 decoy launchers

    Armament:
    Guns and missiles:
    1 × 100mm (3.9 in) A-190 gun
    2 Kashtan-M CIWS systems
    8-cell VLS for 3M-54E Klub and 3M55 Oniks missiles
    3 x 12-cell 3S90M Shtil-1 VLS for 9M317ME (SA-N-12)[4] SAMs
    8 Igla-1E (SA-16) SAMs
    Anti-submarine:
    1 x RBU-6000 rocket launcher
    2х2 533mm torpedo tubes
    Aircraft carried: 1 Ka-28, Ka-31 helicopter

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:05 am

    I mean short range SAMs like the Sosna missile for example.
    Russian ships do not have Kashtan like the early Indian boats.
    They do not have the Barack + Ak-630 combo of the later Indian boats.

    All they have is the medium range Shtil.

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    Re: Project 11356: Admiral Grigorovich

    Post  TR1 on Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:51 am

    http://www.wrk.ru/forums/attachment.php?item=381498&download=2&type=.jpg

    Grigorovich in the water.

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