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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  TR1 on Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:10 pm

    Average flight hours have recovered from the lows of the late 90s early 2000s.....
    The primary reason of this, is the resumption of regular fuel deliveries to airbases. This is Russia we are talking about, fuel is not scarce Wink .

    The big bombers have among the most flight hours btw, but the average for fighter pilots is/already has crossed about 100 hours yearly, and is supposed to keep increasing. Keep in mind supposed "NATO averages" are not all that themselves...

    Also you may want to remind this charter of the numerous large scale air and ground manuevers carried out by Russia in recent years, "Center", "Peace Mission", etc.

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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  flamming_python on Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:09 pm

    I remember one airbase that was near me a year back. The pilots took their Su-33s for a spin every 3 days or so; sometimes for what seemed like hours. Then again it was Russia's carrier air-wing, no doubt that they are among the best trained with the highest amount of flight hours.

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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:28 am

    Well first of all the stocks of dumb unguided weapons was enormous and even when there wasn't a huge amount of fuel available for training, there were quite a few conflicts where large amounts of ordinance was used in former Soviet states to keep the peace or deal with problems.

    These days there are still a lot of single role aircraft from the 1980s in service, but they generally have two seat operational trainers, and the integration of electronic flight simulators is drastically increased.

    Existing stocks of old dumb ordinance is still very high but money is being spent on modern precision guided weapons... which is new. Along with these new weapons are new aircraft with new electronics that allow simulated releases so real weapons only need to be occasionally used in training. For general training simulations are sufficient, so when major exercises come around some real ordinance can be used.

    I would also suggest that especially in the far flung bases that are no where near urban areas that flight time is also far more efficient. Firing ranges will be nice and close to air bases so unlike a German pilot that has to wait till they are selected to fly in Canada so they can go supersonic at low level or high levels, the average Russian pilot probably has less transit time and is able to perform flight practise in much wider ranges of his aircraft's flight envelope... including the edges.

    I would say that I would much rather be a Russian pilot right now than a US or UK or even French pilot, because although the last few decades have been hard there is money actually being spent and new equipment and weapons and aircraft entering service... including for the first time a dedicated Russian lead in fighter trainer that can simulate the flight characteristics of a wide range of aircraft and also offer weapons training.

    The operational flight trainer for the Su-35s are Su-30MKIs, they will have either Mig-29M2s or Mig-35s in single seat and two seat versions, so unlike previous operational training aircraft like the Mig-29UB these new aircraft are fully combat capable, so when not used for training they can be used for other missions.


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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:17 am

    Ok..many thanks for the replies..especially TR1 and Flamming_python.

    And one more curious question.. has the VVS procured RVV-AE or perhaps the RVV-SD ?

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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  GarryB on Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:09 am

    RVV-AE is an export only item.

    A while back there was a contract for a large supply of what was described as 14 new precision guided weapons, and I rather suspect that included RVV-SD and RVV-MD.

    Previously there was little need for ordering the R-77 in large numbers because only the Mig-29S was able to use it... as numbers of Su-34s increase they will need missiles too.

    No other aircraft in service in significant numbers could carry and use the weapon so there was little point in spending money on them.

    These days however the Su-27SM, Su-30, Mig-31BM, Mig-29SMT, and any Mig-29M2 or Mig-35s or Su-35s or Su-30MKIs that enter service will be able to use them so now it is worth buying them.

    I have seen several live weapons on Su-35s for testing.

    The plans for Yak-130s with a nose mounted radar will also likely lead to it carrying such weapons too.


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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  TR1 on Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:17 pm

    Pretty much what Garry said, I suspect we will see number ordered soon for the new birds.

    Unfortunate that none have been seen used on the MiG-29SMTs @ Kursk yet...

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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:51 am

    It is very likely that they will have them at their training and testing facility, they will have the first few batches sent there for testing... I have seen photos of RVV-MD missiles being tested on Su-35s, and it is rather likely they will also be testing them on Mig-29SMTs now too.

    Once they have cleared testing they will likely release them to service units, but I suspect they will have enormous stocks of R-73 and R-27 missiles that they will want to use up in training and exercises.

    Remember the new RVV-SD and RVV-MD are new digital models of improved performance and in many ways can be considered as different from the older missiles as the Su-35 and Mig-35 are from the Su-27 and Mig-29 respectively.


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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:21 am

    Young pilots run from the Air Force

    Pilots refuse to serve in combat units, preferring civilian airlines

    Due to the imperfection of allowance Russian Air Force began to lose young staff. As told to "News" source in the Air Force, out of 80 young pilots enrolled in Air Force combat units in the past year, nearly 60 have already begun to quit, not having served in the Army for a year. Unless things change, the 2015 Army loses almost 70% of front-line pilots.

    Pilots themselves explain that they had been cheated of money and made it impossible to fly.

    - Last year when we released, we were promised that with the January 1, 2012 will receive 100 thousand rubles. Actually received about 60 thousand rubles. And now also changed the rate of pay: Now, if we do not fly 100 hours on your hands will get only 37 thousand I'd rather go to the "Aeroflot", - told the "News" Su-25 pilot, who now runs to commercial lines in the process of resigning his commission.

    He explained that 70% of the salary supplement is a pilot combatant "for special conditions of service" and the prize "for the faithful and efficient performance of official duties." They are payed only to those who carried out the allowed flight hours per year. And from January 1, 2012 this rate was 100 hours per year for tactical aviation pilots. It is so much to spend in the air, everyone who flies on fighters "Suhkoi" and "MiGs" - Su-27, MiG-29, MiG-31, etc.

    In this case, if the pilots of transport aircraft, the conducting of a flight of 2-3 hours, to meet the norm is not difficult (for IL-76, Tu-154 aircraft and other transport rate of 140-150 hours, which is 50-60 flights), the pilots -fighters who spend in the air, only 20-30 minutes for the flight to fly 100 hours needed to make 200 sorties.

    - Even if we take an hour a day is needed to fly 100 days a year. But we have no one to fly so often does, - the lieutenant.

    The commander of a squadron of bombers said to "News" that does not let the youngsters at the helm of the Air Force was led to the heavy-1990s, when it is not enough fuel and serviceable machines (often in the air regiment was no more than 2-3 serviceable aircraft). Now due poor payment of young pilots.

    - Due to the released hours senior pilots get an extra touch, sit on the qualification requirements "pilot-sniper", "pilot-instructor," etc. and accordingly their pay increases significantly - a source explained, "Izvestia".

    According to him, in February 2012 on a single Russian aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" flight hours reserved for the young ship's pilots, commanders have been rewritten in the 279th regiment of the individual. Because of this, the young do not have access to an independent flight and upon return to port was transferred from the naval aviation.

    - And this happens everywhere, - said the source, "Izvestia".

    But in addition to problems with money from January 1, 2012 were added, and everyday problems.

    - Not only have we abolished free transportation to the place of leave (except remote areas), and reduced medical care for family members, since late last year stopped issuing flight form - suits, jackets and shoes. You have to buy with your own money. With all of this can be tolerated only if the pay is high, - said the squadron commander.

    In the civilian airline pilots paid 240 thousand rubles per month (for the first lieutenant, who had just started to fly), free medical care, free flights to anywhere, including abroad, subsidized mortgages and other bonuses.

    The only way to retire young pilots - is to become unsuitable for health. In this case, they must be translated into a ground operation, and from there the pilot has the right to refuse. Currently only one third of the branches of the Central Military Clinical Hospital named after Vishnevsky air-flight Committee (WFC) have not been 28 young lieutenants.

    All in all, from the beginning of the year WFC country have not been about 300 pilots, navigators and other crew members of aircraft. Of these, about 60 military personnel - pilots a 2010-2011 release. For comparison, last year, WFC did not pass 75 people, of which the young lieutenant was only seven.

    In addition, because of the age and health is deducted each year about 15 experienced pilots. In 2015, about 350 pilots have to leave the helm because of the ultimate service life of 25 years.

    At the same flight school until 2003, released a total of 100 pilots, and in 2003 produced an average of about 270 professionals, of whom only 80 sit at the helm. The rest are appointed by the navigators, aircraft operators, etc. To teach them to drive their own aircraft, will take about two years of additional training.


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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  Stealthflanker on Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:38 am

    Good insight up there Vlad. So now the problem lies in salary.


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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:41 pm

    I said the pay criteria was corrupt from the beginning and now look at the results. Grandfathers hog all the hours but there is nothing left when they leave. The case here might be overstated though as 37,000 roubles is still good money outside big cities. No one can expect VVS to pay commercial pilot salary and those jobs are rather limited. I never made more than half that in combat pay. The reward system needs to not be based on hours as pilots have no control over how many they get.


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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:02 pm

    Disgraceful but yeah, the reforms certainly did come with the withdrawal of many privileges such as free transport and some such. On the whole most of the officers and NCOs that I heard, bemoan the painful and disorganised process of reform, as well as the very real possibility of being dismissed from service, the higher physical standards and normatives that have to be adhered to, the 'by the book' discipline that they have to have over the conscript soldiers and making sure that there are no bruises on them, all the tests & drills of their skills and proffessionalism that they now have to pass and keep passing, the stricter regulations and just in general what is required and expected of them is higher now. And all this is a pain in the ass for them as it was all ignored before and everyone was used to living on easy street.

    However just about everyone looking forward to the higher salaries. The main benefits such as medical cover, free food rations (plenty of them) and so on are still there and in some areas there have been improvements too such as accomodation/housing benefits, particularly for long-serving servicemen.

    But of course if they are being cheated on the salary then it all becomes pretty untolerable though doesn't it.

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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:10 pm

    The low number of graduates at Ryzan NCO course is abysmal. I fear this Army will never be professional.


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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:16 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:The low number of graduates at Ryzan NCO course is abysmal. I fear this Army will never be professional.

    Wouldn't worry about it - the momentum for reform is here. A new problem crops up every week, but the Russian leadership and MoD is determined to follow through; which means that a solution will be found regardless.

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    Flight hours

    Post  macedonian on Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:50 am

    To revive an old thread...
    Anyone knows how much flight hours are pilots getting in the RuAF currently?
    Would be interesting to know/compare to previous year(s).
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    Re: Russian Pilot Training

    Post  George1 on Thu May 26, 2016 9:14 pm

    Initial flight practice in military schools of the Russian Federation resumed after a three-year hiatus

    Plane initial flight training is still the L-39 "Albatros", but on the fourth and fifth courses of future pilots should gradually develop new training and combat Yak-130

    Tikhoretsky / Krasnodar / 26 May. / TASS /. Initial flight practice in Russian military schools resumed after a three-year break - their first flights on the L-39 aircraft made aviation cadets Krasnodar School. Serov. He told reporters today the Commander of the Air Force - Deputy Commander of the Air Force Space Russian Andrey Yudin.

    "Today is a great day for all the Air-space forces of Russia - for the first time after three years in the air alone soared young guys who ever replace us in our line of duty," - said Yudin.

    He recalled that the first flight is always preceded by theoretical training throughout the two years of study. Summer practice at the third, fourth and fifth courses begins with the spring and continues until the end of September.

    "We have reached a good competition pilot training This allows us to select the best during training, for which we will not worry This is the most important in the performance of combat missions..", - Said the general.

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    Aerospace Russian forces have received more than 60 combat training aircraft Yak-130

    Plane initial flight training is still the L-39 "Albatros", but on the fourth and fifth courses of future pilots should gradually develop new training and combat Yak-130. "Every year on the plan in Borisoglebsk and Armavir arrive at least ten aircraft Yak-130" - reminded Yudin.

    In addition, in the next few years in schools await the start of deliveries of the Yak-152 aircraft, the general added. Earlier it was reported that the flight tests of the new machine should begin in the summer. Adopt aircraft planned for the winter.


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