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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:38 am

    Mike E wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Nemrod - I don't see why not to believe that figure... The F-22's problems have basically all been worked out, and the only thing keeping some/them grounded is budget/money issues and isn't really related to the plane itself. The training cut back is due to the same thing (money) and is happening all around the AF (not only the F-22). 

    Gotta keep it simple and effective, like Barca said....

    This is some of the problems we are expected to face when adopting an exotic and novel design. Novel means less familiar and probably expensive. A new design, although clearly superior, may not be widely adapted if the industrial/econmical infrastructure and training background are not ready yet.

    That's the reason why G11, AN-94, TKB-517 are/were not widely adapted in the army.

    Just like the production relationship needs to be compatible with the conditions of the production forces... if not, it will supress the growth of production forces, or the production forces will destroy it and establish a new relationship.

    Who says Marxism-Lenninism is obsolete ? Rolling Eyes Wink

    Which doesn't explain a thing...... I'd be willing to bet that 69% of the F-22 fleet it combat-ready, and I'll believe that until someone proves me wrong.

    But I do not say that F-22 is bad. Shocked You misunderstand my points.

    In fact I would prefer to have a small number of upgraded F-22 and large number of upgraded F-teen, that is much better than the bullshit named F-35.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:43 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:
    Mike E wrote:Nemrod - I don't see why not to believe that figure... The F-22's problems have basically all been worked out, and the only thing keeping some/them grounded is budget/money issues and isn't really related to the plane itself. The training cut back is due to the same thing (money) and is happening all around the AF (not only the F-22). 

    Gotta keep it simple and effective, like Barca said....

    This is some of the problems we are expected to face when adopting an exotic and novel design. Novel means less familiar and probably expensive. A new design, although clearly superior, may not be widely adapted if the industrial/econmical infrastructure and training background are not ready yet.

    That's the reason why G11, AN-94, TKB-517 are/were not widely adapted in the army.

    Just like the production relationship needs to be compatible with the conditions of the production forces... if not, it will supress the growth of production forces, or the production forces will destroy it and establish a new relationship.

    Who says Marxism-Lenninism is obsolete ? Rolling Eyes Wink

    Which doesn't explain a thing...... I'd be willing to bet that 69% of the F-22 fleet it combat-ready, and I'll believe that until someone proves me wrong.

    But I do not say that F-22 is bad. Shocked You misunderstand my points.

    In fact I would prefer to have a small number of upgraded F-22 and large number of upgraded F-teen, that is much better than the bullshit named F-35.

    Never said you did... The F-22 is very expensive, hard to maintain, is complicated etc, but that doesn't mean that the fleet isn't ready...

    As would I... The F-22 is far superior to the F-35, and some of the teens are still great jets.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  nemrod on Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:42 pm

    Mike E wrote:
    Nemrod - I don't see why not to believe that figure... The F-22's problems have basically all been worked out, and the only thing keeping some/them grounded is budget/money issues and isn't really related to the plane itself. The training cut back is due to the same thing (money) and is happening all around the AF (not only the F-22).

    I wouldn't say that Iam a strong specialst in this area, nevertheless, I studied during long years mechanical engineering in university. What I say about the F-22, regarding its engines they are beside the SU-35, the state of the art in mechanical design, mechanical thrust. It is a real technological prowess. Furthermore, regarding electronic area, it is the most advanced fighter jet in the world, indeed, the F-22 embedded a kind of super computer, a kind of cray calculator. The F-22 is an awacs, elint, and fighter-bomber, beside its mechanical thrust vectoring engine.
    As I said, more your machine is complex, more you must meet many other problems. During the world war II, you could have several tens of thousands B-24, B-29, P-47, P-51 flying against several thousands Messerschimdt. During the Korea war, you could see several thousands F-86, against several hundreds Mig-15. During the Vietnam war few thousands supersonic F-105, F-4, LTV A-7 Corsair II, F-100, against few hundreds of Migs. During the gulf war I, several hundreds US F-15, F-14, F-16, F-18, against few hundreds of Sukhoi and Migs.
    What does it mean ? The complexity implies more maintenance, more problems of availlaibilty, then the number of the fleet is mechanically reduced.

    I've given the example of the SU-30 MKI, and its availlabilty about 40%, the euro fighter Typhoon has the same problem, because of the complexity. If we admit the postulate that the F-22 is the most complex machine nowadays, and regarding the others and their problems, if you think that  US overcame the problems of availlabilty, hence, you admit that americans are supermen. Nevertheless, the reality is not virtual. Moreover, knowing the fact that US used to lie, especially regarding this strategic area, their figure about 70% of availlibilty is simply ludicrous.
    Moreover, another problem surged these recent years, America lacked money, they could not feed their war machine like before. The problem is becoming a nightmare.
    For that reason the availlabilty of the F-22's fleet, is in the best cases -very optimistic vision- around 30%, but undoubtly, rather around 20-25%. In the next, you will see this problem becoming more and more critical. It won't be impossible that the fleet of the F-22 will be reduced to several dozens, because US could not afford to maintain a such power. Because America used to live above its means, and now it is simply impossible.  Like Russia experimented this hard situation in the 90's after the Soviet Union collapse.



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    ... The F-22 is far superior to the F-35, and some of the teens are still great jets.

    You could not compare these two aircrafts, these are two differents aircrafts. I've posted a link recently explaining that the F-35 could not go to combat without F-22 Raptor. As you cannot compare the Mig-29 and SU-27, these two aircrafts are complementary, as are the F-22 and the F-35.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  nemrod on Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:17 pm

    To those who still think that America would say truth, this is the true report of Spiegel.
    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr-unter-von-der-leyen-marode-ausruestung-bei-luftwaffe-a-987940.html
    I won't mention british army who has far more hardwares than Germany. Nevertheless, you can notice that only 8 on 109 Typhoons are availlable.
    Germany has budget around 50 billions $, UK aroud 57 billions $. The Spiegel report shows also after combat in Afghanistan, just few  CH-53 are availlable, it is no use to insist about the Tornado.

    Well, seeing these figures, about US, with their aircrafts carriers, air fighters fleets, US basis, America still pretend that 69% of its F-22 are availlable, in the gloomy time of depression, and military budget cuts. In my view, if indeed, America is doing all its possible to maintain its statut, and for that reason, the availlabilty of the F-22's fleet, would be a little bit greater than other countries. Around, in the best cases, 30%. But in my opinion the figure should be around 20%. The truth, around 40 F-22 could be availlable, not more.
    If you see about indian availlabilty of SU-30 MKI' fleet, 40% -if it is true- is rather a good rate.



    Berlin - Die Bundesregierung hat am Montag leicht gereizt und einsilbig auf einen SPIEGEL-Bericht über gravierende Ausrüstungsmängel bei der Bundeswehr reagiert. Ein Sprecher von Verteidigungsministerin Ursula von der Leyen (CDU) erklärte, der Ausrüstungszustand der Bundeswehr sei eine interne Angelegenheit, die er nicht in der Öffentlichkeit diskutiere. Ausdrücklich dementieren wollte er die dramatischen Zahlen zur Bereitschaft bei der Luftwaffe jedoch nicht. Der Sprecher sagte lediglich, die Truppe sei für "den Normalfall" gut ausgerüstet - ohne zu definieren, was als normal gilt.

    Der SPIEGEL berichtet in seiner neuen Ausgabe unter Berufung auf einen vertraulichen Bericht der Luftwaffe über schwere Ausstattungsmängel bei der Bundeswehr, die die außenpolitischen Pläne für ein stärkeres, internationales Engagement der Bundeswehr infrage stellen. Demnach sind etliche Kampfjets vom Typ "Eurofighter", Transportflugzeuge und -hubschrauber derzeit nicht startklar, weil Ersatzteile fehlen und sich Reparaturen verzögern. Folgende Mängel sind in dem Papier unter anderem aufgelistet:

       Nur acht von 109 "Eurofighter"-Kampfjets sind voll einsatzbereit.
       Von den 67 CH-53-Transporthubschraubern, die unter anderem in Afghanistan im Einsatz sind, können derzeit nur sieben abheben.
       Auch bei den Hubschraubern vom Typ NH90 gibt es Ausfälle: Gerade einmal fünf von 33 sollen einsatzbereit sein.
       Von 56 Transall-Transportflugzeugen des Typs C-160, die derzeit unter anderem Hilfsgüter in den Nordirak bringen, sind lediglich 21 voll flugtüchtig.

    Das Verteidigungsministerium kommentierte keines der Defizite. Nur in einem Punkt wurde von der Leyens Sprecher an diesem Montag konkret: So sei die Abstellung von sechs "Eurofighter"-Jets im Zuge der verstärkten Nato-Patrouillen über dem Baltikum von dem Notstand bei der Luftwaffe nicht gefährdet.

    Bis zum Ende der Woche sollen vier Flugzeuge zum Nato-Flugplatz Ämari in Estland verlegt werden, 160 Soldaten werden vor Ort stationiert. Zwei weitere "Eurofighter" sollen in Deutschland in Bereitschaft bleiben. Der deutsche Einsatz im Baltikum soll laut Bundeswehr, die in Estland das dänische Militär ablöst, vier Monate dauern.


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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:24 pm

    Yes, the Bundeswehr is in bad shape but they portray it even worse than it already is to create the needs for immidiate and immense budget increase for direct rearming because NATO (USA) wants Germany to be the stupid spearhead for the meatgrinder, nothing else that is.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  nemrod on Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:56 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Yes, the Bundeswehr is in bad shape but they portray it even worse than it already is to create the needs for immidiate and immense budget increase for direct rearming because NATO (USA) wants Germany to be the stupid spearhead for the meatgrinder, nothing else that is.

    What I mean, the so-called availlabilty of US F-22 fleet of 69% is a mere joke. Are american supermen to do this ?

    Here is another link explaining what are the reason of this german low rate of availlabilty of Typhoon.
    http://www.opex360.com/2014/08/27/lhebdomadaire-der-spiegel-decrit-aviation-militaire-allemande-dans-etat-lamentable/


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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  BlackArrow on Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:40 am

    nemrod wrote:
    What I mean, the so-called availlabilty of US F-22 fleet of 69% is a mere joke. Are american supermen to do this ?

    69%? Probably not a bad figure - what's the serviceability rate of the MiG-31 in the RuAF?

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  nemrod on Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:58 pm

    BlackArrow wrote:
    69%? Probably not a bad figure....
    If you say it...

    BlackArrow wrote:
    ....what's the serviceability rate of the MiG-31 in the RuAF?

    I don't know, ask Garry, Vladimir, Werewolf, hashimotot, etc....
    As the Mig-31 is a robust soviet design, reliable, however, with a sensitive electronic embedded, I would say, an availliablity around 50-70% would not a fantasy. I would prefer a fleet of reliable 400 Mig-31 than a doubffull F-22 that could betray me at the worst critical moment. And the F-22 is not a reliable fighter.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:01 pm

    nemrod wrote:
    BlackArrow wrote:
    69%? Probably not a bad figure....
    If you say it...

    BlackArrow wrote:
    ....what's the serviceability rate of the MiG-31 in the RuAF?

    I don't know, ask Garry, Vladimir, Werewolf, hashimotot, etc....
    As the Mig-31 is a robust soviet design, reliable, however, with a sensitive electronic embedded, I would say, an availliablity around 50-70% would not a fantasy. I would prefer a fleet of reliable 400 Mig-31 than a doubffull F-22 that could betray me at the worst critical moment. And the F-22 is not a reliable fighter.

    I am not uptodate of the serviceability of MiG-31.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:23 pm

    nemrod wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    ... The F-22 is far superior to the F-35, and some of the teens are still great jets.

    You could not compare these two aircrafts, these are two differents aircrafts. I've posted a link recently explaining that the F-35 could not go to combat without F-22 Raptor. As you cannot compare the Mig-29 and SU-27, these two aircrafts are complementary, as are the F-22 and the F-35.

    F-22 is the high-end elite air superiority force which is expected to create a breathtaking superiority in technology and dominate the air battle like the Tiger 2 was expected, I say "expected" and I do not say it was successful, to do in a land battle.

    However some opinions claimed that F-22's AESA and stealth material is getting "older" and "older" and it need to be replaced by more advanced ones to deal with new generation of sensors, radars, and to win in the competition against the T-50.

    F-35 is expected to be the low-end multirole craft with stealth and 5th gen techs and is expected to replace most of the fighter and strike aircrafts. That means it has to be resonably cheap in order to be massively manufactured. But for several reasons the price ascended to the level of high-end and that mean the whole project is a failure although Washington DC does not admit it.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Mike E on Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:56 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    nemrod wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    ... The F-22 is far superior to the F-35, and some of the teens are still great jets.

    You could not compare these two aircrafts, these are two differents aircrafts. I've posted a link recently explaining that the F-35 could not go to combat without F-22 Raptor. As you cannot compare the Mig-29 and SU-27, these two aircrafts are complementary, as are the F-22 and the F-35.

    F-22 is the high-end elite air superiority force which is expected to create a breathtaking superiority in technology and dominate the air battle like the Tiger 2 was expected, I say "expected" and I do not say it was successful, to do in a land battle.

    However some opinions claimed that F-22's AESA and stealth material is getting "older" and "older" and it need to be replaced by more advanced ones to deal with new generation of sensors, radars, and to win in the competition against the T-50.

    F-35 is expected to be the low-end multirole craft with stealth and 5th gen techs and is expected to replace most of the fighter and strike aircrafts. That means it has to be resonably cheap in order to be massively manufactured. But for several reasons the price ascended to the level of high-end and that mean the whole project is a failure although Washington DC does not admit it.
    The F-35 isn't meant to be "low-end"... Heck, it isn't even a stop-gap! It is designed to be the fifth-gen (not "high-end" or something like that) replacement of the legacy teen jets.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:53 am

    The F-35 isn't meant to be "low-end"... Heck, it isn't even a stop-gap! It is designed to be the fifth-gen (not "high-end" or something like that) replacement of the legacy teen jets.

    Lets be clear, the F-35 is a bit like the F-16... it will be a fighterbomber for the USAF which has better fighters (F-15C) and better bombers (F-15E) but the F-16 is a cheap light numbers aircraft that is versatile and useful and available.

    For the NATO allies however the F-16 was a primary fighter bomber that replaced previous generations of fighters in many air forces and so became standard fighter.


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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:34 am

    Thinking Sweden buy 40 Typhoon between 2016-2018. No Jas E/F. No way.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:07 am

    Battalion0415 wrote:Thinking Sweden buy 40 Typhoon between 2016-2018. No Jas E/F. No way.

    Typhoon, Rafale, JAS Gripen,... aka EU-canard belongs to the technology of cylindrical hull and thin delta wings with canards. These are quite old design, a bit higher than the level of the Russian Mikoyan Ye-8.

    The cylindrical hull and delta wing are good for the foward movement, but have low sustainable G-load, that limits the maneuverability of the fighter and not really suitable for broad spectrum of speed. Unlike broad hull and thick wings of MiG-25/31, Su-27, MiG-29 which generate large sustainable G-load, enable the airplanes to have better maneuverability, greater fuel effeciency in broad speed spectrum, and more suitable for multirole attacks (in the case of Su-27 and MiG-29).

    The advantage of EU-canard design is the low cost. But due to expensive labour cost of Europe, the Typhoon, Gripen, Rafale... are still quite expensive.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:50 am

    Kuwait Announces Purchase of 28 Typhoon Fighter Jets

    Kuwait has agreed to purchase 28 Typhoon combat jets from the Italian government in a deal worth billions of euro, industry sources in the region said Friday.

    The deal, which has not yet been finalized calls for Kuwait to buy 22 single seat and six twin-seat Typhoons in a government-to-government agreement, Defense News reported.

    If the deal goes through as planned, Kuwait would be the first foreign customer to acquire the active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar being developed for the Typhoon jet by Italy's Selex ES.

    With a number of Middle Eastern countries having purchased the Rafale fighter jet from French rival firm Dassault, the Kuwaiti deal "reinvigorates other opportunities in the gulf region for Typhoon," one industry executive told Defense News.

    Earlier this year, France closed deals to sell the Rafale to Qatar and Egypt, while it is already delivering the jets to Egypt.

    Saudi Arabia and Oman have already purchased Typhoons, with the Saudis talking about buying more of the jets. Bahrain is another potential customer in the Gulf region.

    The Italian-Kuwaiti deal follows reports in May that Kuwait was in talks with the United States to buy as many as 40 Boeing F/A-18 fighters.

    The status of those negotiations is unknown. But a US source said there is a chance for a split buy from Kuwait, while talks on a Super Hornet sale to Kuwait are moving forward, Defense News reported.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150911/1026898291.html#ixzz3lTcuBOOd


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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  George1 on Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:36 pm

    Italian MoD Source: Kuwait To Sign Deal for 28 Eurofighters

    ROME and DUBAI — Kuwait is expected to sign a deal to buy 28 Eurofighter aircraft on Jan. 31, an Italian Ministry of Defense source has told Defense News.

    “Italian Defense Minister Roberta Pinotti has been invited by Kuwait to attend the signing for 28 Eurofighter aircraft on Sunday in Kuwait,” the source said on Wednesday.

    Italy, which is one of the four industrial partners on the Eurofighter program alongside the UK, Spain and Germany, has taken the lead in marketing the aircraft to Kuwait.

    Two senior Kuwaiti Military officials confirmed to Defense News on Wednesday that the Minister of Defense Khaled al-Jarrah al-Sabah will sign the Eurofighter contract with Pinotti on Sunday.

    One senior official said the decision came after repeated US delays regarding the acquisition of a new fleet of Boeing F-18 Super Hornets.

    "We were trying to acquire the F-18 Super Hornets and replace the existing fleet of F-18s with Super Hornets and Eurofighter Typhoons," he said. "However, we cannot wait for the American approval and need to update our Air Force now."

    A second official stated that a meeting was held with Italian Air Force officials in Turin in mid-November.

    "We have discussed the Eurofighter deal, which was expected to be finalized in Kuwait in December but was delayed due to problems on the pilot training," he said.

    "Our Air Force wanted to send the pilots for training in the United Kingdom, not Italy, due to the language barriers; however the deal was finalized after there was an agreement on sending them to train in Italy," he added.

    "The training program is expected not to take less than 18 months," he said.

    A memorandum of understanding was first signed by Italy and Kuwait in September, and a final signature on the contract was initially expected by the end of 2015. The Kuwaiti parliament was required to sign off on the funding.

    Kuwait has agreed to buy 22 single-seat and six twin-seat Typhoons in a government-to-government agreement. Italian firm Finmeccanica has been handling the industrial side of the sales push.

    Industry sources have said the deal, which could be worth up to €8 billion (US $8.7 billion), could see the Kuwaitis become the first export customer for the active electronically scanned array radar being developed for the jet.

    The aircraft are expected to be new-build, third tranche, swing-role versions of the fighter, with deliveries starting in 2019 and possibly covering munitions such as the Storm Shadow and Meteor.

    An Italian source has said that over 50 percent of the value of the Eurofighter deal in Kuwait would be earned by Finmeccanica, which assembles the aircraft but also provides systems.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2016/01/27/italian-mod-source-kuwait-sign-deal-28-eurofighters/79394322/


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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:40 am

    "On Feb. 19, seven Italian Air Force Typhoon jets left Grosseto airbase, Italy, for Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, where they will attend Ex. RF 16-2, their first ever Red Flag.



    The Aviationist’s photographer Giovanni Maduli was there to take the images you can find in this post. The aircraft, belonging to the 4° Stormo, based at Grosseto, and 36° Stormo (Wing) based at Gioia del Colle – even though personnel taking part in the mission come from all the units flying the Typhoon, including the 37° Stormo based at Trapani, will join the two-seater Eurofighter that took part in the “F-35 trail,” accompanying the first Italian JSF in the type’s first transatlantic crossing. The aircraft, divided into two flights, are supported by two KC-767A tankers from the 14° Stormo and three C-130J Super Hercules with the 46^ Brigata Aerea (Air Brigade) from Pisa. This is the very first participation of the ItAF Typhoon fleet to the Red Flag exercise, even though the aircraft have taken part in real combat operations in Libya and have undertaken air defense duties in Iceland and the Baltic States. The F-2000s (as the aircraft are designated in Italy) will focus in the air-to-air role during RF 16-2, employing the Typhoon’s latest software package and the HMDS (Helment Mounted Display System)."


    Source: http://theaviationist.com/?p=36948

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:12 am

    Typhoons in the Desert: Kuwait Purchases 28 Eurofighter Jets

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160406/1037549430/finmeccanica-kuwait-purchase-eurofighter.html#ixzz451YvzRrH


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    Post  max steel on Tue May 17, 2016 1:25 am

    BRITISH FIGHTER JETS INTERCEPT 'AGGRESSIVE' RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT APPROACHING BALTIC STATES

    British fighter jets were scrambled to intercept three Russian planes that committed an “act of aggression,” the U.K.'s defense secretary said.

    RAF Typhoons left their base in Estonia to obstruct the planes that were approaching Baltic countries. It was the first time that British fighter jets have responded to Russian aircraft since the Typhoons were deployed in late April on a four-month policing mission in the region.

    The Russian AN-26 "Curl," AN-12 "Cub" and IL-76 "Candid" planes were intercepted for not transmitting a recognized identification code and being unresponsive.

    U.K. Defense Secretary Michael Fallon said: “This is another example of just how important the UK's contribution to the Baltic Air Policing Mission is.

    “We were able to instantly respond to this act of Russian aggression—demonstration of our commitment to NATO's collective defence.”One of the RAF pilots involved in the mission said: “The scramble went exactly as planned.

    “We launched our Typhoon aircraft quickly and then using our advanced sensors and mission systems, combined with support from our battlespace managers on the ground, carried out textbook intercepts of the three aircraft.”

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:07 am

    The first Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets for Oman

    According to British spotters, November 25, 2016. The enterprise corporation BAE Systems airfield in Wharton (United Kingdom), made the first flight of the first two there fighters Eurofighter Typhoon, designed for the Air Force of Oman. The double air combat training machines with serial numbers NT001 and NT002 (temporary British military number ZR410 and ZR411, respectively) have been raised. Aircraft is not painted and markings are British.



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