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    Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:07 pm

    Typhoon fighter aircraft will receive new weapons and airborne radar
    07.08.2009

    Countries participating project Eurofighter, recently decided to acquire 112 fighter aircraft Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 3A for the 9 billion euro until the end of 2009, agree on the specification of the production of these aircraft, the Flight Global.

    As the executive director of the consortium Eurofighter Kazolini Enzo (Enzo Casolini), discussion of the configuration of aircraft with its customers - Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK - will include the use in the construction of radar stations with active using phased array antennas, as well as guided missiles Meteor air -Air. " Producer of the latter is the company MBDA.

    Kazolini also said that before the end of 2009 is planned to assess what needed to integrate new elements into the design of fighter aircraft. He also noted that the three member countries endorsed a joint study, which was designed to evaluate the effectiveness of the installation at the new airborne radar aircraft, while the United Kingdom intends to carry out similar work themselves.

    Recall that in 1998, the four European states have ordered in the amount of 620 fighter aircraft, taking delivery of the decision to divide into three tranches until 2017. The third of these customers were to get 236 fighter jets. However, in March of 2009 they decided to divide the tranche into two phases - 3A and 3B. The first involved the supply of 112 and the second - a further 124 vehicles. Germany recently announced that it might abandon the aircraft tranche 3B, since the country's air force is a smaller number of fighters.

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    Eurofighter-Typhoon versus F-22

    Post  nemrod on Sun May 18, 2014 2:25 pm


    http://www.migflug.com/jetflights/p-i-r-a-t-e-versus-raptor.html


    In a recent exercise, it seems that the Typhoon outmanoeuvred the multi billions US F-22 Raptor. Increasing doubts about the so-called superioty of the F-22.
    This is what a german pilot said :


    As soon as you get to the merge … the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22

    This is a direct blow against US doctrine regarding air battle. If a the Typhoon -undoubltly one of the best fighters in the world - is able to outmanoeuvre the F-22 Raptor, there would be the same for Mig, Sukhoi, and chinese-flankers. We will never know what's really happened during this exercise, nevertheless, the F-22 Raptor and the B2 are not the jokers for any new US air campaign.


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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Hachimoto on Sun May 18, 2014 3:57 pm

    So your point is evreytime x outperform y in some exercise then x is superior to y ??

    And all we got is a germain pilot saying : i don't fear the F22!

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  GarryB on Mon May 19, 2014 11:23 am

    The F-22 is not a dogfighter... it has no AIM-9X nor does it have a helmet mounted sight and would therefore be vulnerable to an early 1980s Mig-29.

    The F-22 is supposed to stand back and fire from a distance where it wont be detected and then withdraw and reload.


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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Airbornewolf on Mon May 19, 2014 12:16 pm

    i guess even the Luftwaffe and USAF are disagreeing with eachother about "who won". i think this might be the same article Nemrod quoted.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-focus-german-eurofighters-impress-during-red-flag-373312/

    i put my money on the Typhoon tough,

    another good article about the F-22 receiving too much credit than its actually worth in a war.

    http://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/cdi-the-f-22-not-what-we-were-hoping-for/
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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon May 19, 2014 4:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:The F-22 is not a dogfighter... it has no AIM-9X nor does it have a helmet mounted sight and would therefore be vulnerable to an early 1980s Mig-29.

    The F-22 is supposed to stand back and fire from a distance where it wont be detected and then withdraw and reload.

    You're completely right!!!! Very Happy .

    Only one thing the F-22 has aim-9x.
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    Post  Airbornewolf on Mon May 19, 2014 5:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:The F-22 is not a dogfighter... it has no AIM-9X nor does it have a helmet mounted sight and would therefore be vulnerable to an early 1980s Mig-29.

    The F-22 is supposed to stand back and fire from a distance where it wont be detected and then withdraw and reload.

    its amazing that the designers tought on this manner. do they really expect that the F-22 only would be deployed against an enemy with ancient air defense?. or did the U.S goverment never considered it may end up one day fighting modern-day aircraft like the modernised SU-35, JAS39 Griphen or Typhoon?.

    the EU Millitary industrial complex is pretty much selling their products/technology to everyone willing to pay. China receives its aircraft engines from France, Naval fire control from france, its naval ship diesel engines from Germany, etc.

    Russia has several weapon contracts with EU manufacturers. most heard of is of course the two Mistral-carriers France will deliver to Russia. but also Rheinmetall, a large german weapon technology company has extensive deals with Russia and helped Russia revamp its millitary to the technological level of the West. and has no interrest in suspending its co-operation with Russia. Brasil is purchasing the Saab Gripen...against the liking of the U.S of course that perceive it all as "a threat".

    enough critics and notable aircraft designers expressed concern over the F-22 and even more so about the F-35 that they will end up as breakfast for modern Russian and chinese fighters. are the Americans just in denial over its shortcommings untill one day the F-22 gets blown to scrap in the sky's?. or is this the aircraft manufacturer buying a few senators in Congress like what happened when the M-16 was "forced" upon the millitary?.



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    Post  Flyingdutchman on Mon May 19, 2014 9:04 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:

    its amazing that the designers tought on this manner. do they really expect that the F-22 only would be deployed against an enemy with ancient air defense?. or did the U.S goverment never considered it may end up one day fighting modern-day aircraft like the modernised SU-35, JAS39 Griphen or Typhoon?.

    the EU Millitary industrial complex is pretty much selling their products/technology to everyone willing to pay. China receives its aircraft engines from France, Naval fire control from france, its naval ship diesel engines from Germany, etc.

    Russia has several weapon contracts with EU manufacturers. most heard of is of course the two Mistral-carriers France will deliver to Russia. but also Rheinmetall, a large german weapon technology company has extensive deals with Russia and helped Russia revamp its millitary to the technological level of the West. and has no interrest in suspending its co-operation with Russia. Brasil is purchasing the Saab Gripen...against the liking of the U.S of course that perceive it all as "a threat".  

    enough critics and notable aircraft designers expressed concern over the F-22 and even more so about the F-35 that they will end up as breakfast for modern Russian and chinese fighters. are the Americans just in denial over its shortcommings untill one day the F-22 gets blown to scrap in the sky's?. or is this the aircraft manufacturer buying a few senators in Congress like what happened when the M-16 was "forced" upon the millitary?.




    The f-22 is a aircraft to be concerned of and so is the f-35 because the ability to destroy aircraft from one hell of a distance and there powerfull radars.

    The f-22 is one of the best aircraft of the world and would be a good weapon system in a war and very dangerous to be fighting in a war.

    A mix of f-22 and f-35 would be very good the f-35 can shoot there missiles while the f-22 guides the missiles to there targets.

    A SU-35 would have a hard time shooting down a raptor.

    In a very big air war it wouldnt be weird when stealth aircraft are going to get blown to scrap every side will lose aircraft and kill aircraft.

    And the F-22 losed from some aircraft but the raptor probably kills alot of aircraft too but then it isnt world news.
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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Airbornewolf on Mon May 19, 2014 9:40 pm

    Flyingdutchman wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:

    its amazing that the designers tought on this manner. do they really expect that the F-22 only would be deployed against an enemy with ancient air defense?. or did the U.S goverment never considered it may end up one day fighting modern-day aircraft like the modernised SU-35, JAS39 Griphen or Typhoon?.

    the EU Millitary industrial complex is pretty much selling their products/technology to everyone willing to pay. China receives its aircraft engines from France, Naval fire control from france, its naval ship diesel engines from Germany, etc.

    Russia has several weapon contracts with EU manufacturers. most heard of is of course the two Mistral-carriers France will deliver to Russia. but also Rheinmetall, a large german weapon technology company has extensive deals with Russia and helped Russia revamp its millitary to the technological level of the West. and has no interrest in suspending its co-operation with Russia. Brasil is purchasing the Saab Gripen...against the liking of the U.S of course that perceive it all as "a threat".  

    enough critics and notable aircraft designers expressed concern over the F-22 and even more so about the F-35 that they will end up as breakfast for modern Russian and chinese fighters. are the Americans just in denial over its shortcommings untill one day the F-22 gets blown to scrap in the sky's?. or is this the aircraft manufacturer buying a few senators in Congress like what happened when the M-16 was "forced" upon the millitary?.




    The f-22 is a aircraft to be concerned of and so is the f-35 because the ability to destroy aircraft from one hell of a distance and there powerfull radars.

    The f-22 is one of the best aircraft of the world and would be a good weapon system in a war and very dangerous to be fighting in a war.

    A mix of f-22 and f-35 would be very good the f-35 can shoot there missiles while the f-22 guides the missiles to there targets.

    A SU-35 would have a hard time shooting down a raptor.

    In a very big air war it wouldnt be weird when stealth aircraft are going to get blown to scrap every side will lose aircraft and kill aircraft.

    And the F-22 losed from some aircraft but the raptor probably kills alot of aircraft too but then it isnt world news.

    i PM'd you a youtube U.S airforce intell briefing at the time about how the U.S rates the current "enemy" fighters like the SU-35. they fear it and for good reason. like the weaponry they gave us troops to Afghanistan its untill then you figure out how good it really is in real war.

    our weapon systems do the job, but our Diemaco C7a1 jams if there is some foreign contaminants like sand or dust on the bolt. an AK-47 does not. our vehicles engines grind themselves up because of the fine dust they take in in afghanistan, ive seen T-55's still driving out there in possesion of the Afghan National Army. they do not start pretty, but they do ignite and drive around without the extensive maintenance our vehicles need.

    the Russian weapon design philosophy is very different than from "our" perspective. in Russia its first task is to wage war and the conditions its going to endure. the rest comes later. in the West, its making everything as advanced as it can be but often its plagued with sensitivity to errors/jamming and equipment that just cant handle abnormal conditions.

    like our dutch GILL anti tank system. it was supposed to be "the shit". we tried it out in Afghanistan against a standard shipping container. the missile could not accuire its target with its top-down attack because the surrounding terrain was just as hot as the container itself and it missed its target by 100 meters. it did not posses any secondary targeting options. its a fire and forget weapon. so...you better hope that tank you are aiming on is either an obsolete piece of crap with an humongous heat signature in the desert or you come across it in a nice, comfortable 20 degrees celsius so the missile can distinguish its target from the surroundings. just to point out the serious flaws of Western weaponry, even if this weapon supposed to come out of Isreal.

    anyway, to the point. the russians made the SU-35 and its younger brother PAK-FA 50 to kill Western modern fighters. its not just their ability to fire a wide range of loadouts. their high-manouvrability, advanced electronic warfare and the quality of russian pilots makes them absolutely lethal. keep in mind Russia's design bureau's had 30 years to see Western hardware in action in all the wars NATO got involved in. i do not see Russia's fighters as a threat to europe. they are simply excercise the same right any country has to arm themselves against foreign aggression.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  nemrod on Tue May 20, 2014 2:06 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    i PM'd you a youtube U.S airforce intell briefing at the time about how the U.S rates the current "enemy" fighters like the SU-35. they fear it and for good reason....
    Hey friend, we are interresting too. Please, If you could post it this link.

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    Eurofighter Typhoon suffer problem availlability too.

    Post  nemrod on Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:21 pm

    http://rt.com/news/192128-eurofighter-hull-strength-problem/

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:31 pm

    Simple and effective. That's the way to make money, that's the way to win wars.
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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  nemrod on Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:17 pm

    To those who still think that America would say truth, this is the true report of Spiegel.
    http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr-unter-von-der-leyen-marode-ausruestung-bei-luftwaffe-a-987940.html
    I won't mention british army who has far more hardwares than Germany. Nevertheless, you can notice that only 8 on 109 Typhoons are availlable.
    Germany has budget around 50 billions $, UK aroud 57 billions $. The Spiegel report shows also after combat in Afghanistan, just few  CH-53 are availlable, it is no use to insist about the Tornado.

    Well, seeing these figures, about US, with their aircrafts carriers, air fighters fleets, US basis, America still pretend that 69% of its F-22 are availlable, in the gloomy time of depression, and military budget cuts. In my view, if indeed, America is doing all its possible to maintain its statut, and for that reason, the availlabilty of the F-22's fleet, would be a little bit greater than other countries. Around, in the best cases, 30%. But in my opinion the figure should be around 20%. The truth, around 40 F-22 could be availlable, not more.
    If you see about indian availlabilty of SU-30 MKI' fleet, 40% -if it is true- is rather a good rate.



    Berlin - Die Bundesregierung hat am Montag leicht gereizt und einsilbig auf einen SPIEGEL-Bericht über gravierende Ausrüstungsmängel bei der Bundeswehr reagiert. Ein Sprecher von Verteidigungsministerin Ursula von der Leyen (CDU) erklärte, der Ausrüstungszustand der Bundeswehr sei eine interne Angelegenheit, die er nicht in der Öffentlichkeit diskutiere. Ausdrücklich dementieren wollte er die dramatischen Zahlen zur Bereitschaft bei der Luftwaffe jedoch nicht. Der Sprecher sagte lediglich, die Truppe sei für "den Normalfall" gut ausgerüstet - ohne zu definieren, was als normal gilt.

    Der SPIEGEL berichtet in seiner neuen Ausgabe unter Berufung auf einen vertraulichen Bericht der Luftwaffe über schwere Ausstattungsmängel bei der Bundeswehr, die die außenpolitischen Pläne für ein stärkeres, internationales Engagement der Bundeswehr infrage stellen. Demnach sind etliche Kampfjets vom Typ "Eurofighter", Transportflugzeuge und -hubschrauber derzeit nicht startklar, weil Ersatzteile fehlen und sich Reparaturen verzögern. Folgende Mängel sind in dem Papier unter anderem aufgelistet:

       Nur acht von 109 "Eurofighter"-Kampfjets sind voll einsatzbereit.
       Von den 67 CH-53-Transporthubschraubern, die unter anderem in Afghanistan im Einsatz sind, können derzeit nur sieben abheben.
       Auch bei den Hubschraubern vom Typ NH90 gibt es Ausfälle: Gerade einmal fünf von 33 sollen einsatzbereit sein.
       Von 56 Transall-Transportflugzeugen des Typs C-160, die derzeit unter anderem Hilfsgüter in den Nordirak bringen, sind lediglich 21 voll flugtüchtig.

    Das Verteidigungsministerium kommentierte keines der Defizite. Nur in einem Punkt wurde von der Leyens Sprecher an diesem Montag konkret: So sei die Abstellung von sechs "Eurofighter"-Jets im Zuge der verstärkten Nato-Patrouillen über dem Baltikum von dem Notstand bei der Luftwaffe nicht gefährdet.

    Bis zum Ende der Woche sollen vier Flugzeuge zum Nato-Flugplatz Ämari in Estland verlegt werden, 160 Soldaten werden vor Ort stationiert. Zwei weitere "Eurofighter" sollen in Deutschland in Bereitschaft bleiben. Der deutsche Einsatz im Baltikum soll laut Bundeswehr, die in Estland das dänische Militär ablöst, vier Monate dauern.

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:24 pm

    Yes, the Bundeswehr is in bad shape but they portray it even worse than it already is to create the needs for immidiate and immense budget increase for direct rearming because NATO (USA) wants Germany to be the stupid spearhead for the meatgrinder, nothing else that is.
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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  nemrod on Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:56 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Yes, the Bundeswehr is in bad shape but they portray it even worse than it already is to create the needs for immidiate and immense budget increase for direct rearming because NATO (USA) wants Germany to be the stupid spearhead for the meatgrinder, nothing else that is.

    What I mean, the so-called availlabilty of US F-22 fleet of 69% is a mere joke. Are american supermen to do this ?

    Here is another link explaining what are the reason of this german low rate of availlabilty of Typhoon.
    http://www.opex360.com/2014/08/27/lhebdomadaire-der-spiegel-decrit-aviation-militaire-allemande-dans-etat-lamentable/

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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  Battalion0415 on Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:34 am

    Thinking Sweden buy 40 Typhoon between 2016-2018. No Jas E/F. No way.
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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:07 am

    Battalion0415 wrote:Thinking Sweden buy 40 Typhoon between 2016-2018. No Jas E/F. No way.

    Typhoon, Rafale, JAS Gripen,... aka EU-canard belongs to the technology of cylindrical hull and thin delta wings with canards. These are quite old design, a bit higher than the level of the Russian Mikoyan Ye-8.

    The cylindrical hull and delta wing are good for the foward movement, but have low sustainable G-load, that limits the maneuverability of the fighter and not really suitable for broad spectrum of speed. Unlike broad hull and thick wings of MiG-25/31, Su-27, MiG-29 which generate large sustainable G-load, enable the airplanes to have better maneuverability, greater fuel effeciency in broad speed spectrum, and more suitable for multirole attacks (in the case of Su-27 and MiG-29).

    The advantage of EU-canard design is the low cost. But due to expensive labour cost of Europe, the Typhoon, Gripen, Rafale... are still quite expensive.
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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  George1 on Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:50 am

    Kuwait Announces Purchase of 28 Typhoon Fighter Jets

    Kuwait has agreed to purchase 28 Typhoon combat jets from the Italian government in a deal worth billions of euro, industry sources in the region said Friday.

    The deal, which has not yet been finalized calls for Kuwait to buy 22 single seat and six twin-seat Typhoons in a government-to-government agreement, Defense News reported.

    If the deal goes through as planned, Kuwait would be the first foreign customer to acquire the active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar being developed for the Typhoon jet by Italy's Selex ES.

    With a number of Middle Eastern countries having purchased the Rafale fighter jet from French rival firm Dassault, the Kuwaiti deal "reinvigorates other opportunities in the gulf region for Typhoon," one industry executive told Defense News.

    Earlier this year, France closed deals to sell the Rafale to Qatar and Egypt, while it is already delivering the jets to Egypt.

    Saudi Arabia and Oman have already purchased Typhoons, with the Saudis talking about buying more of the jets. Bahrain is another potential customer in the Gulf region.

    The Italian-Kuwaiti deal follows reports in May that Kuwait was in talks with the United States to buy as many as 40 Boeing F/A-18 fighters.

    The status of those negotiations is unknown. But a US source said there is a chance for a split buy from Kuwait, while talks on a Super Hornet sale to Kuwait are moving forward, Defense News reported.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150911/1026898291.html#ixzz3lTcuBOOd


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    Post  Militarov on Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:40 am

    "On Feb. 19, seven Italian Air Force Typhoon jets left Grosseto airbase, Italy, for Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, where they will attend Ex. RF 16-2, their first ever Red Flag.



    The Aviationist’s photographer Giovanni Maduli was there to take the images you can find in this post. The aircraft, belonging to the 4° Stormo, based at Grosseto, and 36° Stormo (Wing) based at Gioia del Colle – even though personnel taking part in the mission come from all the units flying the Typhoon, including the 37° Stormo based at Trapani, will join the two-seater Eurofighter that took part in the “F-35 trail,” accompanying the first Italian JSF in the type’s first transatlantic crossing. The aircraft, divided into two flights, are supported by two KC-767A tankers from the 14° Stormo and three C-130J Super Hercules with the 46^ Brigata Aerea (Air Brigade) from Pisa. This is the very first participation of the ItAF Typhoon fleet to the Red Flag exercise, even though the aircraft have taken part in real combat operations in Libya and have undertaken air defense duties in Iceland and the Baltic States. The F-2000s (as the aircraft are designated in Italy) will focus in the air-to-air role during RF 16-2, employing the Typhoon’s latest software package and the HMDS (Helment Mounted Display System)."


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    Re: Eurofighter Typhoon Thread:

    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:12 am

    Typhoons in the Desert: Kuwait Purchases 28 Eurofighter Jets

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160406/1037549430/finmeccanica-kuwait-purchase-eurofighter.html#ixzz451YvzRrH


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    Post  max steel on Tue May 17, 2016 1:25 am

    BRITISH FIGHTER JETS INTERCEPT 'AGGRESSIVE' RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT APPROACHING BALTIC STATES

    British fighter jets were scrambled to intercept three Russian planes that committed an “act of aggression,” the U.K.'s defense secretary said.

    RAF Typhoons left their base in Estonia to obstruct the planes that were approaching Baltic countries. It was the first time that British fighter jets have responded to Russian aircraft since the Typhoons were deployed in late April on a four-month policing mission in the region.

    The Russian AN-26 "Curl," AN-12 "Cub" and IL-76 "Candid" planes were intercepted for not transmitting a recognized identification code and being unresponsive.

    U.K. Defense Secretary Michael Fallon said: “This is another example of just how important the UK's contribution to the Baltic Air Policing Mission is.

    “We were able to instantly respond to this act of Russian aggression—demonstration of our commitment to NATO's collective defence.”One of the RAF pilots involved in the mission said: “The scramble went exactly as planned.

    “We launched our Typhoon aircraft quickly and then using our advanced sensors and mission systems, combined with support from our battlespace managers on the ground, carried out textbook intercepts of the three aircraft.”
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    Post  George1 on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:07 am

    The first Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets for Oman

    According to British spotters, November 25, 2016. The enterprise corporation BAE Systems airfield in Wharton (United Kingdom), made the first flight of the first two there fighters Eurofighter Typhoon, designed for the Air Force of Oman. The double air combat training machines with serial numbers NT001 and NT002 (temporary British military number ZR410 and ZR411, respectively) have been raised. Aircraft is not painted and markings are British.



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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:22 am

    The 500th serial fighter Eurofighter Typhoon

    Italian company Leonardo at its company in Turin on April 11, 2017, passed the Italian Air Force 500th serial fighter Eurofighter Typhoon, manufactured from the beginning of production of these machines by the consortium Eurofighter.



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