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    Post  Firebird Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:53 am

    sepheronx wrote:Russia wont get kicked out.  But if they are banned from it, Russia can easily just pull out the information of US involvement and other countries involvement in doping and then question as to why they were never barred from participating.  Once you pressure it enough, other countries will view the whole thing as political (even though everyone is already aware of it) and eventually either the bannings will be lifted or Olympics and such will forfeit being international.

    Russia still has Universaid and other games that seems to be even more profitable for Russia (Kazan made a great deal of money in it for example).

    America should have been ostracised from the World community after its genocide in Iraq.
    I hope Russia sends American sports back to the dark ages with some info releases.

    PS I notice America semi disappeared from athletics for a few yrs. I wonder if that was part of a long term plan to smear others. Either way, the pricks need taking down a peg or two.
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    Post  Project Canada Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:29 pm

    IOC asks for disciplinary action against Russia, could strip medals over doping report

    wow some butthurt people are really trying to up the offensive against Russia in all fronts! even in the field of Sports Russia is not spared Rolling Eyes
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:39 pm

    Project Canada wrote:IOC asks for disciplinary action against Russia, could strip medals over doping report

    wow some butthurt people are really trying to up the offensive against Russia in all fronts! even in the field of Sports Russia is not spared Rolling Eyes

    You know this is a joke whan head of IAAF is the guy who bought London 2012...Yes bought.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:58 pm

    They also say there's no evidence of Sochi 2014 drug tests were fabricated.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:31 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:They also say there's no evidence of Sochi 2014 drug tests were fabricated.

    Gotta be the new joke. You didn't cheat when you won First place, but you cheated when local team blew all records and your delegation was thrashed...Western World fail n° 245845854568
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:15 am

    Here's a great article on this issue, it even goes in to the Cui Bono financial aspects working behind the scenes:

    Does the UK’s Athletics Boss Need a Fix of His Own?

    Recent allegations Russia’s athletes are somehow more doped up than their western counterparts are the latest political slings aimed at a people sick to death of the endless lies. The UK’s Athletics Chairman, Ed Warner called for Russia to be banned from international competition and worse just recently, based on hearsay and conjecture mostly. It seems these days, all that’s necessary to crucify Russia in the press is someone with an idea, and a microphone or a computer keyboard. Worse still, the business addicts in Britain accusing Russian athletes these days, need to pass their own piss tests.

    Before the Sochi Olympics in 2014, every dirty trick in the corporate politician’s playbook was pulled to try and ruin Russia’s Olympics. From LGBT uprisings to Washington’s humane society worries about stray dogs, it was a circus of anti-Russian insanity. Not only where the toilets of Sochi plungered by western media to find the stink, so was every Russian athlete who took to the ice or the slopes. If ever there were a prime opportunity to bust doped up Russian athletes, that would have been the prime opportunity. Ironically, Sochi did represent a banner year for doping losers from other countries.

    In 2014 a record number of athletes were caught and banned from competition or winning medals at Sochi. There was Austrian cross-country skier Johannes Duerr, Latvian hockey players Vitalijs Pavlovs and Ralfs Freibergs, Ukrainian cross-country skier Marina Lisogor, German biathlete Evi Sachenbacher-Stehle, Swedish hockey start Nicklas Backstrom , Polish bobsledder Daniel Zalewski, and Italian bobsledder William Frullani. It is ironic that the IOC could not uncover this massive Russsian athletic doping cabal Mr. Warner speaks of? One Russian athlete, biathlete Irina Starykh did withdraw a week before the games after testing positive.

    In Sochi the IOC carried out a record 2,812 tests, including pre-competition and out-of-competition blood and urine controls AND those samples are stored to allow for future testing once better means and methods become available. Perhaps Ed Warner’s latest method can be applied to all those samples? Maybe a wave of his mighty sports toughened hand will serve to find Russians guilty there too? Excuse my facetious tone, but these people make me physically ill. If Mr. Warner’s motivations were any more transparent, he’d be the invisible British man.

    Now on to Britain and the Games of London 2012. Even before London 2012 started, some 107 athletes had already tested positive for banned substances. It should also be noted here that British sprinter Dwain Chambers, cyclist David Millar and shot putter Carl Myerscoug had all been guilty of past doping offences, but competed in London anyway under a new ruling. There were also “busted” athletes who were allowed to compete, and who took home the gold medal from London. Those included; Road racing gold medalist form Kazakhstan Alexander Vinokourov, Russia’s female hammer thrower Tatyana Viktorovna Lysenko, Women’s 1500 meter champion from Turkey Aslı Çakır Alptekin, and World and Olympic Champion in the women’s discuss Sandra Perković from Croatia, Justin Gatlin and LaShawn Merritt from the US, and Jamaican sprinter Yohan Blake. The list of athletes ruled out of even competing in London is extensive, but included American sprinter Debbie Dunn, Greece’s Dimítrios Chondrokoúkis, and Spanish steeplechaser Ángel Mullera.

    While there more Russian athletes penalized at London than any other nation (7), the United States’ entire 4 x 100m relay team was eliminated because of Tyson Gay. And if we go back as far as Salt Lake City and Turin in Winter competition, it looks like the entire nation of Austria is on some kind of hormone. Overall, since any form of testing was instituted, the cheating by enhancements from substances issue is a mixed bag with the United States and Russia running neck and neck with infractions. As for Britain, while those isles have their infractions, it appears not even steroids can help the UK win more than a gold here or there. (Sorry)

    In another case of “Putin’s Missile” or Chicken Little screaming “Russian Invasion from pursed beak, the western banking monopolies have also cornered the market on whiney wannabe athletes involved up to their necks in business. Sorry Mr. Warner, but you asked for it. Ed Warner (now get this) is a bean counter and former owner of IFX Group plc, a financial spread betting firm. Warner is also the non-executive chairman of Blackrock Commodities Income Investment Trust PLC, a firm notorious for milking energy investments for all they are worth. Warner should recues himself from making any statements at all concerning “dope” until the firm he represents divests itself of (Fund PFF) Exxon Mobil, Rio Tinto, Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron, BP, Conoco Phillips, and Statoil and especially BHP Billiton shares. With upwards of 50% of the trust’s assets in direct competition with Russian energy and minerals companies, it’s a wonder Vladimir Putin has not called for banning Britain from doing banking on the basis of UK athletics bean counting drugging.

    I guess I’ve made my point well enough, without delving into exactly how stock markets are leveraged by owned and influenced media, or by associating other members of Britain’s elitist athleticism clubs to the organized nature of sports today. I just want to say that Britain accusing anybody of anything in the current policy atmosphere, it’s ludicrous my friends. The Queen Mother has already called Lord Rothschild’s crew down for mucking up her Islands’ chances of survival in the long term. Deals with Kazakhstan and Moscow are in the wind now, more on that later. I just wanted all the principles involved to know, we’re out here ready to report on your eligibility to compete, with one false move to further “enhance” your fund performances at the expense of innocent human beings in Ukraine, Gaza, Syria, or even Sydney. Banned from competition? Indeed. No nation passes the piss test these days.

    First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/12/does-the-uk-s-athletics-boss-need-a-fix-of-his-own/


    It's interesting that Ed Warner actually has a financial vendetta, an ax to grind to against Russia, due in part because of his conflict of interests, and that Russian petrochemical companies were in fact his direct competitors in many of his business dealings, and those Russian petrochemical companies also happen to be some of the biggest sponsors of Sochi 2014. It looks like through pressuring, and tarnishing Sochi 2014, he's attempting to engage in indirect financial/economic sabotage against his Russian corporate competition.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:31 pm

    IAAF has banned Russia “for the time being” and this means that Russian athletes cannot take part of any IAAF events including the Olympics and World Championships. Kazan was also stripped off from the youth Athletics World Championships that were to be held in Kazan in 2016. Kazan had spent a lot of money and effort to hold the games.

    The official reason for the ban is the usage of doping by Russian athletes, but the real reasons are probably be elsewhere.

    This is the first time that sports have been used as an extension of politics like this against a major country. Russia was the perfect target since Russia is clearly one of the biggest “obstacles” for the Western hegemony builders and yet Russia is not a superpower so it can be treated like this. The Soviet Union was a different story back in the days.

    Another reason for ordinary Russians to feel contempt towards the West.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:37 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:IAAF has banned Russia “for the time being” and this means that Russian athletes cannot take part of any IAAF events including the Olympics and World Championships. Kazan was also stripped off from the youth Athletics World Championships that were to be held in Kazan in 2016. Kazan had spent a lot of money and effort to hold the games.

    The official reason for the ban is the usage of doping by Russian athletes, but the real reasons are probably be elsewhere.

    This is the first time that sports have been used as an extension of politics like this against a major country. Russia was the perfect target since Russia is clearly one of the biggest “obstacles” for the Western hegemony builders and yet Russia is not a superpower so it can be treated like this. The Soviet Union was a different story back in the days.

    Another reason for ordinary Russians to feel contempt towards the West.

    Not the first, not the last, this is simply going to cause that long lasting rift that will slowly, but surely create the seeds for a global confrontation. Frustrating Russians, is only the first step, next will be the Chinese and then whoever is outside the white boys club.

    It's a sad day for the world.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:51 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:IAAF has banned Russia “for the time being” and this means that Russian athletes cannot take part of any IAAF events including the Olympics and World Championships. Kazan was also stripped off from the youth Athletics World Championships that were to be held in Kazan in 2016. Kazan had spent a lot of money and effort to hold the games.

    The official reason for the ban is the usage of doping by Russian athletes, but the real reasons are probably be elsewhere.

    This is the first time that sports have been used as an extension of politics like this against a major country. Russia was the perfect target since Russia is clearly one of the biggest “obstacles” for the Western hegemony builders and yet Russia is not a superpower so it can be treated like this. The Soviet Union was a different story back in the days.

    Another reason for ordinary Russians to feel contempt towards the West.

    Not the first, not the last, this is simply going to cause that long lasting rift that will slowly, but surely create the seeds for a global confrontation. Frustrating Russians, is only the first step, next will be the Chinese and then whoever is outside the white boys club.

    It's a sad day for the world.

    I agree. It is a frustrating and enraging situation for the Russians. Nobody will buy the official explanation for the ban. This is just another punishment for ordinary Russians for opposing the Western dominated world order.

    The problem for Russia is that it is not a superpower anymore, so it cannot "persuade" any country to boycott the IAAF events. Not even Belarus or Armenia will sacrifice their Athletics team over Russia. And certainly not China.

    This is one of those cases where the West punished Russia just because it can and there is little that Russia can do about it.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:57 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:IAAF has banned Russia “for the time being” and this means that Russian athletes cannot take part of any IAAF events including the Olympics and World Championships. Kazan was also stripped off from the youth Athletics World Championships that were to be held in Kazan in 2016. Kazan had spent a lot of money and effort to hold the games.

    The official reason for the ban is the usage of doping by Russian athletes, but the real reasons are probably be elsewhere.

    This is the first time that sports have been used as an extension of politics like this against a major country. Russia was the perfect target since Russia is clearly one of the biggest “obstacles” for the Western hegemony builders and yet Russia is not a superpower so it can be treated like this. The Soviet Union was a different story back in the days.

    Another reason for ordinary Russians to feel contempt towards the West.

    Not the first, not the last, this is simply going to cause that long lasting rift that will slowly, but surely create the seeds for a global confrontation. Frustrating Russians, is only the first step, next will be the Chinese and then whoever is outside the white boys club.

    It's a sad day for the world.

    I agree. It is a frustrating and enraging situation for the Russians. Nobody will buy the official explanation for the ban. This is just another punishment for ordinary Russians for opposing the Western dominated world order.

    The problem for Russia is that it is not a superpower anymore, so it cannot "persuade" any country to boycott the IAAF events. Not even Belarus or Armenia will sacrifice their Athletics team over Russia. And certainly not China.

    This is one of those cases where the West punished Russia just because it can and there is little that Russia can do about it.

    Convincing who and why? The Chinese know what they do, every federation knows what they do regarding PED's. This is just how things roll. I just hope no one will leak the rest of those lists.
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    Post  Kimppis Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:03 pm

    I read somewhere that it is for 3 months (alteast for now)?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:19 pm

    Kimppis wrote:I read somewhere that it is for 3 months (alteast for now)?

    Nope, it's temporary without time limit. In three months there will be the annual IAAF reunion.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:21 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:IAAF has banned Russia “for the time being” and this means that Russian athletes cannot take part of any IAAF events including the Olympics and World Championships. Kazan was also stripped off from the youth Athletics World Championships that were to be held in Kazan in 2016. Kazan had spent a lot of money and effort to hold the games.

    The official reason for the ban is the usage of doping by Russian athletes, but the real reasons are probably be elsewhere.

    This is the first time that sports have been used as an extension of politics like this against a major country. Russia was the perfect target since Russia is clearly one of the biggest “obstacles” for the Western hegemony builders and yet Russia is not a superpower so it can be treated like this. The Soviet Union was a different story back in the days.

    Another reason for ordinary Russians to feel contempt towards the West.

    Not the first, not the last, this is simply going to cause that long lasting rift that will slowly, but surely create the seeds for a global confrontation. Frustrating Russians, is only the first step, next will be the Chinese and then whoever is outside the white boys club.

    It's a sad day for the world.

    I agree. It is a frustrating and enraging situation for the Russians. Nobody will buy the official explanation for the ban. This is just another punishment for ordinary Russians for opposing the Western dominated world order.

    The problem for Russia is that it is not a superpower anymore, so it cannot "persuade" any country to boycott the IAAF events. Not even Belarus or Armenia will sacrifice their Athletics team over Russia. And certainly not China.

    This is one of those cases where the West punished Russia just because it can and there is little that Russia can do about it.

    Convincing who and why? The Chinese know what they do, every federation knows what they do regarding PED's. This is just how things roll. I just hope no one will leak the rest of those lists.

    In order to break the monopoly of IAAF there would have to be a "mass escape" from the organization. Russia and China would not be enough. They would need countries like Brazil, South Africa, Kenya, Ethiopia, Jamaica etc. to do the same. The major Athletic countries.

    Since the IAAF has the monopoly for the Olympic games and the Olympics is the most precious sporting event in the world I don't think any individual country would sacrifice it's own Olympic participation for Russia.

    But anyhow, hopefully the ban will be lifted after 3 months.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:35 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:IAAF has banned Russia “for the time being” and this means that Russian athletes cannot take part of any IAAF events including the Olympics and World Championships. Kazan was also stripped off from the youth Athletics World Championships that were to be held in Kazan in 2016. Kazan had spent a lot of money and effort to hold the games.

    The official reason for the ban is the usage of doping by Russian athletes, but the real reasons are probably be elsewhere.

    This is the first time that sports have been used as an extension of politics like this against a major country. Russia was the perfect target since Russia is clearly one of the biggest “obstacles” for the Western hegemony builders and yet Russia is not a superpower so it can be treated like this. The Soviet Union was a different story back in the days.

    Another reason for ordinary Russians to feel contempt towards the West.

    Not the first, not the last, this is simply going to cause that long lasting rift that will slowly, but surely create the seeds for a global confrontation. Frustrating Russians, is only the first step, next will be the Chinese and then whoever is outside the white boys club.

    It's a sad day for the world.

    I agree. It is a frustrating and enraging situation for the Russians. Nobody will buy the official explanation for the ban. This is just another punishment for ordinary Russians for opposing the Western dominated world order.

    The problem for Russia is that it is not a superpower anymore, so it cannot "persuade" any country to boycott the IAAF events. Not even Belarus or Armenia will sacrifice their Athletics team over Russia. And certainly not China.

    This is one of those cases where the West punished Russia just because it can and there is little that Russia can do about it.

    Convincing who and why? The Chinese know what they do, every federation knows what they do regarding PED's. This is just how things roll. I just hope no one will leak the rest of those lists.

    In order to break the monopoly of IAAF there would have to be a "mass escape" from the organization. Russia and China would not be enough. They would need countries like Brazil, South Africa, Kenya, Ethiopia, Jamaica etc. to do the same. The major Athletic countries.

    Since the IAAF has the monopoly for the Olympic games and the Olympics is the most precious sporting event in the world I don't think any individual country would sacrifice it's own Olympic participation for Russia.

    But anyhow, hopefully the ban will be lifted after 3 months.

    And go where? Create what? Every one understands this is political. Sooner or later other "leaks" will happen. It's like that this little dirty war is going to go.
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    Post  Kimppis Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:41 pm

    Well, the vote was 22-1 and many non-western countries took part, so they seem to have good reasons. It's not like the "Ukraine UN" vote when basically only western countries voted against Russia.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:50 pm

    Kimppis wrote:Well, the vote was 22-1 and many non-western countries took part, so they seem to have good reasons. It's not like the "Ukraine UN" vote when basically only western countries voted against Russia.

    It's currently more complicated than that. It's a restricted 27 people council. The Russian member didn't took part. So there are two people who haven't voted at all. It's one of those situations where you don't vote with your heart.
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    Post  Regular Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:53 pm

    All sportsmen use dope. No one of them are natties. Someone didn't pay the bribe and now this shit "happened".
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    Post  George1 Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:34 pm

    Russian athletics federation hopes to resume its IAAF membership in three months

    An anti-crisis plan of action has been adopted at a meeting of the Russian Athletics Federation

    MOSCOW, November 15. /TASS/. The All-Russian Athletics Federation (ARAF) hopes to resume its membership in the International Association of Athletic Federations (IAAF) in three months, ARAF’s acting president Vadim Zelichenok told journalists on Sunday.

    "We would like to resume as IAAF full-fledged member in three months," he said.

    Zelichenok also said that the extraordinary ARAF presidium meeting on Sunday with participation of Russian Minister of Sports Vitaly Mutko had adopted an anti-crisis plan of action. "There were not very many issues on the agenda. The IAAF decision on ARAF’s suspension was read out. We discussed this decision and possible ways to overcome this situation. An anti-crisis plan was adopted," he said.

    In his words, the key goal as of today is to ensure participation of Russian athletes in the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro in 2016. "It was confirmed once again that our key goal now is to ensure participation of Russian athletes in the Olympic Games and resume our status to give them a possibility to take part in all competitions," he said.

    According to Zelichenok, the next president of the All-Russian Athletics Federation will be in office for less than one year as the next regular elections will take place after the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro in 2016. He also noted that Olympic champion Svetlana Masterkova has announced plans to run for ARAF president.

    "Another election conference will be held within six months after the Olympic Games," he told journalists. "People [candidates for ARAF president] should be aware they will be in office for a short period of time. However they have a possibility to be reelected for a longer term - four years."

    "Naturally, the winter season is most likely closed for us. That is why we want to expand the calendar of domestic competitions and, probably, invite foreigners," he added.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:59 am

    Here is where the test will be.  In three months time, and they do fix all the issues mentioned in the Agenda, and they still not allowed in, then it will be easily viewed as political and nothing more.  At that point, Russia should continue operating domestic competitions among regions and invite foreign countries such as China, India, Brazil, N.Korea, S.Korea, etc etc etc to all participate in such events, and eventually open similar events in the other countries.  Bypass the IAAF altogether.  Keep up with Universaide and work on something else.  After Russia being singled out from all the other major doping countries, I imagine there will be many countries opened to also participating in an another event.
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    Post  Project Canada Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:40 am

    Russian athlete "Yulia Stepanova" is suspected of being hired by foreign intelligence to leak info (obviously fabricated) about doping by Russian athletes

    news in Russian from TV Zvezda

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201511210425-q2c8.htm

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    Post  George1 Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:31 pm

    Saber-fencer Sophia Velikaya named Russia’s best athlete in 2015

    Sophia Velikaya, 30, has two gold medals in the individual and team tournaments that were held in Moscow this year

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    MOSCOW, December 10. /TASS/. Saber-fencer Sophia Velikaya has been named the best Russian athlete in 2015. The announcement was made at an Olympic ball in the Manege exhibition hall in front of the Kremlin. "It’s a great honor for me to find myself among the elite, among the great athletes," Velikaya said. "For me, the year 2015 was really great. Also, I’d like to perform at the Olympic Games in Rio." Sophia Velikaya, 30, has two gold medals in the individual and team tournaments that were held in Moscow this year. Also, she won silver at the 2012 Summer Olympic Games and is a seven-times champion of the world and a nine-times champion of Europe.
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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:51 pm

    George1 wrote:Saber-fencer Sophia Velikaya named Russia’s best athlete in 2015

    Sophia Velikaya, 30, has two gold medals in the individual and team tournaments that were held in Moscow this year

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    MOSCOW, December 10. /TASS/. Saber-fencer Sophia Velikaya has been named the best Russian athlete in 2015. The announcement was made at an Olympic ball in the Manege exhibition hall in front of the Kremlin. "It’s a great honor for me to find myself among the elite, among the great athletes," Velikaya said. "For me, the year 2015 was really great. Also, I’d like to perform at the Olympic Games in Rio." Sophia Velikaya, 30, has two gold medals in the individual and team tournaments that were held in Moscow this year. Also, she won silver at the 2012 Summer Olympic Games and is a seven-times champion of the world and a nine-times champion of Europe.

    Time to accuse her of using dope. The NATO hate propaganda chorus is on the case.
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    Russia's football team to take on England, Wales, Slovakia at UEFA EURO 2016
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    Post  George1 Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:05 am

    Our girls did their duty inside Turkey

    Russian women’s volleyball team wins right to go to 2016 Olympic Games

    The Russian women defeated their Dutch rivals 3-1 in a match that took place in Ankara, Turkey

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    Post  George1 Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:32 pm

    Men's volleyball team also qualified for Rio! Cheers!! cheers

    Reigning Olympic Champions Russia won their right for travelling to the 2016 Summer Games in Brazil’s Rio de Janeiro on Sunday night after defeating the French squad 3-1

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