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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:43 am

    The Russian Sale of S-400 Missiles to Turkey May Change Power Equilibrium in the Middle East
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:16 pm


    http://avia.pro/news/erdogan-zayavil-chto-turciya-nikogda-ne-priznaet-krym-v-sostave-rossii


    Erdogan said that Turkey will never recognize Crimea as part of Russia


    The Turkish president refused to recognize the entry of Crimea into Russia.

    During the meeting between the President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky, the Turkish leader made a statement in which he stressed that the Turkish side does not recognize the entry of the Crimean Peninsula into the Russian Federation.

    “Erdogan emphasized that Turkey does not recognize the inclusion of Crimea in Russia and will continue to protect the rights of Crimean Tatars. According to him, the Turkish side will always support the independence of Ukraine, and also believes in the imminent end of the conflict in the east of the country , ”reports Lenta, referring to the words of the Turkish president.

    It is noteworthy that this is not the first statement by Recep Erdogan on this subject, and Turkey continues to supply its armaments to Ukraine, in particular, we are talking about unmanned strike aircraft Bayraktar TB2.

    Whether such a statement will affect the political relations between Russia and Turkey is not known, but experts do not exclude that, due to Ankara’s similar position, Moscow may weaken relations with Turkey, including military-technical cooperation, in which Erdogan is extremely interested.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:18 am

    Russia doesn't need Turkey to accept that Crimea is Russian territory now, their views on the situation are as relevant as American or British views on the same topic.

    This bullshit about supporting your views even if they are wrong is an American concept... you are not being a good friend if you lie to them to keep them happy.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:25 pm

    https://m.vz.ru/news/2019/8/12/991932.html


    Israel warned Russia against selling Su-35 to Turkey

    August 12, 2019 11:44


    "From a commercial point of view, this is beneficial, but Turkey is not the most reliable partner for Russia. As they say, she dances at all weddings at once, ”the ex-Israeli ambassador to Russia Zvi Magen told the VZGLYAD newspaper, commenting on the information on the consideration by the Turkish defense industry secretariat of the possibility of purchasing Russian Su-35 multi-role fighters.

    “Turkey’s purchase of Su-35 fighters is unlikely to have a significant impact on the alignment of forces in the region. If we compare with the American F-35, then we are talking about machines that are similar in their characteristics and capabilities, so I think there is not much difference, ”said Zvi Magen. “Turkey is not at war with anyone now, so this deal will not be able to seriously change the situation.”

    At the same time, the interlocutor noted that if we talk about the commercial aspect, then the option with the supply of Turkish fighters is certainly beneficial for Russia.

    “On the other hand, I want to remind you that Turkey is a dubious partner for Russia, because today Turkish interests are here, and tomorrow they are there. As they say, Turkey dances at all weddings and sits on all chairs. She is an active member of NATO and will not go anywhere from there, ”the former Israeli ambassador to Russia emphasized.

    “At the same time, the country is going through a transitional period of its history, and if Russia continues to make efforts to develop relations with Turkey in the direction of military-technical cooperation, anything can happen. It is clear that, given the issue of security of the southern borders of Russia, including the Black Sea, Turkey is a very important and serious friend. But only the time will tell how the situation turns, ”Zvi Magen concluded.  

     

    As the newspaper VZGLYAD previously reported, the Turkish authorities responsible for the purchase of weapons  turned  to the secretariat of the country's defense industry and the command of the Turkish Air Force with a request to evaluate the Russian proposal for the supply of Su-35 multipurpose fighters.

    If Moscow’s proposal is approved by the departments, Ankara will begin a substantive discussion of the deal with the Russian side.

    Ridicule... While it is true possible that Turkey will again "stab Russia in the back", it is better for Russia if the ottomans will spend their money subsidizing Russia aerospace industry, instead of the american one.

    If and when the wannabe sultan decides to go against Russia, it would not make a huge difference if they use Russian made or Western made equipment

    Unless the problem is from the Israeli side, since it's possible that american made f-35s cannot be used against NATO or Israel, while Russian jets have not such limitations...
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:07 am

    This raises the question of why Israel cares at all... on paper being a US fanboy nation Israel should applaud any country in the region buying an inferior to their F-35 aircraft as it maintains their dominance and superiority... so calls to not buy Su-35s might suggest they recognise in the Su-35 some real danger and a challenge to their position in the region... perhaps the combination of radars on the Su-35 renders the F-35 vulnerable and they fear it being introduced by countries that are not actually very friendly to Israel...

    In which case perhaps a joint production deal with Turkey where Turkey can sell versions of it to countries that could not buy Russian products but could buy NATO products... Like Italy or Austria or the Czech republic.

    It is obvious with Israeli policy on Iran and other things that Israel cares nothing for anyone elses interests except its own, so what are its interests here... at the moment Turkey is not a good close friend of Israel, so why would they fear them buying Su-35s?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:45 pm

    Just like the US is in panic over RF-PRC forming an alliance, Israel is in panic over RF-Turkey (& soon with Iran) close cooperation & defence ties, if not an alliance.
    Among the Turkey's neighbors, Israel is now left with only Greece & Azerbaijan as friends, & that may also change sooner than they expect.
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    Post  Viktor on Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:00 pm

    Cooperation continues to bear new fruits

    Russia & Turkey agree on settlements in national currencies

    The deal is aimed at gradually switching to using national currencies in mutual trade, the ministry said.Trade turnover between the two countries grew by 16 percent last year, reaching $25.5 billion. wrote:

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