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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:57 am

    Turkey and Ukraine are not the same. There is war in Ukraine. Donetsk and Luhansk are controlled by Pro-Russian separatists which is directly supported by Russia and Russian Armed Forces. Crimea is now controlled by Russia after referendum or annexation.

    Ukraine is on the brink of war with Russia. USA sent Abrams, Paladins, Bradleys, Humvees and more than 3000 soldiers to Poland, Romania and Baltic States. Our government has mostly fixed relations with Russia. Turkey is working with Russia about Syria.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:26 am

    The irony is that some westerners whisper in the ears of the Ukrainians to say if you ditch Russia and come to our team you will get the western dream without even having to work for it... and they did.

    The relationship between Turkey and Russia seems to be based on mutual interest, as opposed to being promised a reward for stabbing a former ally and neighbour in the back.

    With the election of Trump, the Ukraine are going to find out they have no friends in the US and of course the EU will see the light and realise there is no anti russian push from behind to support the ukraine no matter what, so they wont spend their own money fixing up the Ukrainian economy when their own economies have had some trouble over the last few years too.

    the Ukraine needs to find friends fast... but ironically its best chance to find friends is in Russia... and I don't see that happening any time soon.

    Attempts to create a new Afghanistan for Russia have so far failed because Russia has been smart enough to avoid such traps.

    Turkey currently has problems internally with groups but the right tactics and the correct solutions to the problems and that can be minimised into a minor issue.

    A few business projects with Russia generating Turkish jobs and some growth will go a long way to giving idle hands something to do...


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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:08 am

    Of course, there are problems in Turkey which is security and economic problems. Terrorist organizations are one of our biggest problems but our enemies are not only in Turkey. For example, YPG,PYD and YBŞ(Sinjar Resistance Units) are linked to the PKK. These organizations are located in Syria and Iraq. Our Goverment are planning an operation for a Sinjar and working together with Haider al-Abadi and Barzani. Turkey is also fighting against Daesh in Syria. USA and the Coalition left us alone to fight against Daesh. That's why It takes a long time to capture El-Bab.

    and economic problems. I'll just put a few links.

    https://www.investing.com/currencies/eur-try

    https://www.investing.com/currencies/usd-try

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:51 pm

    Airman wrote:Of course, there are problems in Turkey which is security and economic problems. Terrorist organizations are one of our biggest problems but our enemies are not only in Turkey. For example, YPG,PYD and YBŞ(Sinjar Resistance Units) are linked to the PKK. These organizations are located in Syria and Iraq. Our Goverment are planning an operation for a Sinjar and working together with Haider al-Abadi and Barzani. Turkey is also fighting against Daesh in Syria. USA and the Coalition left us alone to fight against Daesh. That's why It takes a long time to capture El-Bab.

    and economic problems. I'll just put a few links.

    https://www.investing.com/currencies/eur-try

    https://www.investing.com/currencies/usd-try


    So you need Coalition to deal with Al Bab and few hundred fighters with no heavy armaments but just 6 months ago you were saying how Turkey would "smash" Russia Smile? Turks...
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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:32 pm

    Are you trolling? I didn't say anything like that. US-led coalition doesn't support Turkey in Al-Bab. That's why It takes a long time to capture Al-Bab. Turkey is currently fighting without the Coalition but Our army is enough to fight.
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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:15 pm

    GarryB wrote:Turkey currently has problems internally with groups but the right tactics and the correct solutions to the problems and that can be minimised into a minor issue.

    Islamism and Kurdish Nationhood are irreversible processes in what's known as Turkey today. Hardly minor.
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    Post  The Ottoman on Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:44 am

    Moscow expects relations with Turkey to expand

    By Elena Teslova

    MOSCOW - Moscow expects to further expand relations with Turkey, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Meshkov said Thursday.

    "I hope we will not only return to the former state of our relations but take them even further," Meshkov told reporters in Moscow.



    Meshkov said economic relations between both countries were also "gradually" getting better.

    "Progress in the solution of the Syrian crisis was the most striking example of the improvement of our relations," he added.

    Relations between Russia and Turkey soured in 2015 after the downing of Russian jet, which had violated Turkish airspace along the Syrian border. Relations began to thaw on June 29 following a letter and subsequent telephone calls between the countries’ leaders.


    http://aa.com.tr/en/politics/moscow-expects-relations-with-turkey-to-expand/725842

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