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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:57 am

    Turkey and Ukraine are not the same. There is war in Ukraine. Donetsk and Luhansk are controlled by Pro-Russian separatists which is directly supported by Russia and Russian Armed Forces. Crimea is now controlled by Russia after referendum or annexation.

    Ukraine is on the brink of war with Russia. USA sent Abrams, Paladins, Bradleys, Humvees and more than 3000 soldiers to Poland, Romania and Baltic States. Our government has mostly fixed relations with Russia. Turkey is working with Russia about Syria.
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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:26 am

    The irony is that some westerners whisper in the ears of the Ukrainians to say if you ditch Russia and come to our team you will get the western dream without even having to work for it... and they did.

    The relationship between Turkey and Russia seems to be based on mutual interest, as opposed to being promised a reward for stabbing a former ally and neighbour in the back.

    With the election of Trump, the Ukraine are going to find out they have no friends in the US and of course the EU will see the light and realise there is no anti russian push from behind to support the ukraine no matter what, so they wont spend their own money fixing up the Ukrainian economy when their own economies have had some trouble over the last few years too.

    the Ukraine needs to find friends fast... but ironically its best chance to find friends is in Russia... and I don't see that happening any time soon.

    Attempts to create a new Afghanistan for Russia have so far failed because Russia has been smart enough to avoid such traps.

    Turkey currently has problems internally with groups but the right tactics and the correct solutions to the problems and that can be minimised into a minor issue.

    A few business projects with Russia generating Turkish jobs and some growth will go a long way to giving idle hands something to do...


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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:08 am

    Of course, there are problems in Turkey which is security and economic problems. Terrorist organizations are one of our biggest problems but our enemies are not only in Turkey. For example, YPG,PYD and YBŞ(Sinjar Resistance Units) are linked to the PKK. These organizations are located in Syria and Iraq. Our Goverment are planning an operation for a Sinjar and working together with Haider al-Abadi and Barzani. Turkey is also fighting against Daesh in Syria. USA and the Coalition left us alone to fight against Daesh. That's why It takes a long time to capture El-Bab.

    and economic problems. I'll just put a few links.

    https://www.investing.com/currencies/eur-try

    https://www.investing.com/currencies/usd-try

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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Militarov on Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:51 pm

    Airman wrote:Of course, there are problems in Turkey which is security and economic problems. Terrorist organizations are one of our biggest problems but our enemies are not only in Turkey. For example, YPG,PYD and YBŞ(Sinjar Resistance Units) are linked to the PKK. These organizations are located in Syria and Iraq. Our Goverment are planning an operation for a Sinjar and working together with Haider al-Abadi and Barzani. Turkey is also fighting against Daesh in Syria. USA and the Coalition left us alone to fight against Daesh. That's why It takes a long time to capture El-Bab.

    and economic problems. I'll just put a few links.

    https://www.investing.com/currencies/eur-try

    https://www.investing.com/currencies/usd-try


    So you need Coalition to deal with Al Bab and few hundred fighters with no heavy armaments but just 6 months ago you were saying how Turkey would "smash" Russia Smile? Turks...
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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:32 pm

    Are you trolling? I didn't say anything like that. US-led coalition doesn't support Turkey in Al-Bab. That's why It takes a long time to capture Al-Bab. Turkey is currently fighting without the Coalition but Our army is enough to fight.
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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  KiloGolf on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:15 pm

    GarryB wrote:Turkey currently has problems internally with groups but the right tactics and the correct solutions to the problems and that can be minimised into a minor issue.

    Islamism and Kurdish Nationhood are irreversible processes in what's known as Turkey today. Hardly minor.
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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  The Ottoman on Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:44 am

    Moscow expects relations with Turkey to expand

    By Elena Teslova

    MOSCOW - Moscow expects to further expand relations with Turkey, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Meshkov said Thursday.

    "I hope we will not only return to the former state of our relations but take them even further," Meshkov told reporters in Moscow.



    Meshkov said economic relations between both countries were also "gradually" getting better.

    "Progress in the solution of the Syrian crisis was the most striking example of the improvement of our relations," he added.

    Relations between Russia and Turkey soured in 2015 after the downing of Russian jet, which had violated Turkish airspace along the Syrian border. Relations began to thaw on June 29 following a letter and subsequent telephone calls between the countries’ leaders.


    http://aa.com.tr/en/politics/moscow-expects-relations-with-turkey-to-expand/725842
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    Turkish Coast Guard Saves 78 Russian Navy Sailors in the Black Sea

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:09 am



    Turkish Coast Guard Saves 78 Russian Navy Sailors in the Black Sea

    https://www.rt.com/news/386326-russian-navy-ship-crashes/



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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:46 am

    Russia Sees No Obstacles to Arms Deliveries to Turkey - Deputy Prime Minister
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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:13 pm

    Russian ambassador to Turkey presents credentials





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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:19 pm

    Peshrev over the Black Sea: The silent competition between Turkey and Russia

    This year between 27 March and 7 April, Turkish Navy (Turk Deniz Kuvvetleri) conducted a large-scale exercise, “Deniz Yildizi” (Starfish, or literally Sea Star). The 2017 version of the exercise saw significantly high number of warships, submarines and auxiliaries from Turkish Navy, as well as port visits to Bulgaria (Varna), Romania (Constanta), Ukraine (Odessa), Russia (Novorossiysk) and Georgia (Batumi). In total, 10 frigates, three corvettes, eight patrol boats, two mine hunters, four submarines and three support ships took part in the exercise.

    Deniz Yildizi in itself can be considered as a show of force after the July 15th coup attempt, but it also delivered a strong message, or reply, to Russia.
    Speaking at the conclusion of military exercises conducted in Southern Military District in September 2016, Chief of General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, General Valeriy Gerasimov said that the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Naval Forces “is now stronger than Turkey’s navy” and claimed that Russian Navy had received the capability of easily striking the Turkish Straits. Gerasimov stated that, “Turkey was virtually the master of the Black Sea. Now everything is different”. The tone of his statements was in stark contrast with the ambiance of Russian – Turkish relations, which were being restored shortly after the July 15th coup attempt.

    Another noteworthy aspect of his speech was the tribute to the Kalibr cruise missiles, which form the backbone of Russia’s A2/AD (Anti Access Area Denial) strategy in the Black Sea basin, together with S-300 / S-400 air defence systems and Bastion coastal anti-ship missile batteries. The “Kalibrization” of the Russian Navy is especially evident in the Black Sea Fleet, where the new Project 636.6 Varshavyanka class submarines, Project 11356 Admiral Grigorovich class frigates and Project 21631 Buyan M class corvettes, though the two ships of the latter class are reportedly transferred to Baltic Fleet in November last year. It is noteworthy that the Black Sea Fleet undertakes a significant role in Russian operations in Syria, through cruise missile strikes and the famous “Syrian Express” logistic support campaign.

    The modernization of the Black Sea Fleet gained momentum after the 2008 Russo – Georgian War. Significant amount of resources was diverted to shipbuilding programs for this unit, including the construction of six Varshavyanka class diesel electric submarines capable of firing Kalibr missiles, six Admiral Grigorovich class frigates and Project 21631 Buyan-M class corvettes.

    Russia also is in the process of modernizing of the air assets in the region: After the annexation of Crimea, Sukhoi Su-27 and Su-30SM fighter aircraft as well as Tupolev Tu-22M3 strategic bombers were deployed to the peninsula. In several occasions, Russian Su-24MR and Su-27 jets came into close proximity of U.S. aircraft and warships present in the region, followed by the protest of the latter.

    Turkey, on the other hand, has undertaken an ambitious modernization process through the development of local defense industry since early 2000’s. One of the most important projects of this campaign is the MilGem (Milli Gemi; National Ship) project, which covers indigenous design and construction of corvette class warships. The first two ships of the MilGem program are in service with the Turkish Navy under Ada class, with two more to be commissioned in 2018 and 2019. Following four ships of the MilGem program are designated “I” class with improved weapons and sensors outfit, including anti air warfare capabilities. Construction of the first ship of the I class, the Istanbul commenced earlier this year. Meanwhile, six air independent propulsion (AIP) submarines of German Type 214TN design are being constructed at Golcuk Naval Shipyard and an indigenous submarine design project under the MilDen program has recently started. Another major program, the TF-2000 area air warfare frigate program is expected to be commenced soon, with the first ship planned to enter service in the first half of 2020’s.

    As a conclusion, it can be claimed that despite warming relations between Russia and Turkey, there is a tense, but silent competition for the dominance over the Black Sea. Russia seems to put special emphasis over the modernization of the Black Sea Fleet as center of its A2/AD strategy against NATO. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Turkey had enjoyed superiority over Russia in the region, especially in the naval domain. This position is now under threat, through naval and missile developments from the Russian side. However, those programs are not immune to challenges. The cut off of supply of major sub systems from Ukraine inflicted serious damage to warship programs. Financial problems are also threatening timely and effective execution of modernization programs. The restructuring and renovation of the Turkish Armed Forces after July 15th is an important factor in the Turkish side. Given these issues and factors, it can be claimed that the “peshrev” of the two sides over the Black Sea will continue at a constant tempo for the foreseeable future.

    Peshrev over the Black Sea: The silent competition between Turkey and Russia
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    Re: Russia and Turkey

    Post  Airman on Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:03 pm

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