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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:56 am

    Project 885 has 32 vertical tubes, and as such is the multirole replacement for both 949As and 971s.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:57 am

    Viktor wrote:WoW  thumbsup 

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Stealthflanker on Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:57 am

    TR1 wrote:Project 885 has 32 vertical tubes, and as such is the multirole replacement for both 949As and 971s.

    replacing Granit with Oniks.. hmm honestly i found it kinda difficult to comprehend  dunno

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:01 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Project 885 has 32 vertical tubes, and as such is the multirole replacement for both 949As and 971s.

    replacing Granit with Oniks.. hmm honestly i found it kinda difficult to comprehend  dunno

    Not just Onix, but Onix + Kalibr.
    Plus without the huge Granit size the rest of your submarine is not compromised, and can act as an attack boat, not just a stand-off missile battery.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:29 am

    Onyx is smaller and lighter than Granit, but it is also faster and has a comparable range.

    Onyx can hit targets at 500km and while there were reports Granit could hit targets at 700km they were not 100% confirmed.

    The two main differences are propulsion... with granit using turbojets and Onyx using ramjets, and warhead with granit carrying a 750kg HE payload and Onyx carrying something like 500kgs.

    The real change will come with scramjet technology where Zirconium will be of similar weight to Onyx... ie about 3.5 tons or 2.5 tons in the air launched model but with much higher speed and therefore also range... double in both cases.

    the critical thing is that with Onyx and Zirconium being in the 2-3 ton range with a 8-9m long missile they are compatible with the UKSK vertical launch bins being fitted to every ship and sub in the Russian fleet.

    Now instead of a few Oscars and Kirovs and Kuznetsovs carrying heavy supersonic anti ship missiles... soon every ship in the fleet will be able to carry 8 or more.


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:29 pm

    GarryB wrote:Onyx is smaller and lighter than Granit, but it is also faster and has a comparable range.

    Onyx can hit targets at 500km and while there were reports Granit could hit targets at 700km they were not 100% confirmed.

    The two main differences are propulsion... with granit using turbojets and Onyx using ramjets, and warhead with granit carrying a 750kg HE payload and Onyx carrying something like 500kgs.

    The real change will come with scramjet technology where Zirconium will be of similar weight to Onyx... ie about 3.5 tons or 2.5 tons in the air launched model but with much higher speed and therefore also range... double in both cases.

    the critical thing is that with Onyx and Zirconium being in the 2-3 ton range with a 8-9m long missile they are compatible with the UKSK vertical launch bins being fitted to every ship and sub in the Russian fleet.

    Now instead of a few Oscars and Kirovs and Kuznetsovs carrying heavy supersonic anti ship missiles... soon every ship in the fleet will be able to carry 8 or more.

    You keep on copy-and-pasting this "content" over and over? How many times have you copy-and-pasted this "content" on this forum? As I have explained before, what you have said is mostly incorrect. The only aspects that are correct are trivial and have nothing to do with this matter.


    Some food for thought:


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:56 pm

    TR1 wrote:The real question is how many years will Zvezda miss the deadlines by. x

    First and the most important step is the will and finance to modernize them ... than all the rest

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  TR1 on Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:41 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Onyx is smaller and lighter than Granit, but it is also faster and has a comparable range.

    Onyx can hit targets at 500km and while there were reports Granit could hit targets at 700km they were not 100% confirmed.

    The two main differences are propulsion... with granit using turbojets and Onyx using ramjets, and warhead with granit carrying a 750kg HE payload and Onyx carrying something like 500kgs.

    The real change will come with scramjet technology where Zirconium will be of similar weight to Onyx... ie about 3.5 tons or 2.5 tons in the air launched model but with much higher speed and therefore also range... double in both cases.

    the critical thing is that with Onyx and Zirconium being in the 2-3 ton range with a 8-9m long missile they are compatible with the UKSK vertical launch bins being fitted to every ship and sub in the Russian fleet.

    Now instead of a few Oscars and Kirovs and Kuznetsovs carrying heavy supersonic anti ship missiles... soon every ship in the fleet will be able to carry 8 or more.

    You keep on copy-and-pasting this "content" over and over? How many times have you copy-and-pasted this "content" on this forum? As I have explained before, what you have said is mostly incorrect. The only aspects that are correct are trivial and have nothing to do with this matter.


    Some food for thought:


    What is that picture supposed to prove? Spell it out for us please.

    It is one of those meaningless charts with specs and photos pulled out of nowhere (Yakhont/Onix with 1300km range) and based on empty speculation on the new destroyers weaponry.

    This is what we call "hotelki" in Russia - the toys the mil wants. Reality will be more muted.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:25 pm

    K-442 "Chelyabinsk" docked for repairs

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:59 pm

    On the nuclear submarine "Irkutsk", modernization to be completed by the end of 2017, it is planned to establish a system of air regeneration "Astra-35-2M," the ship's control system "steel-949AM" and secret product "3P-14PN-949AM".

    http://flot.com/2014/179419/

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  chicken on Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:35 am

    TR1 wrote:

    What is that picture supposed to prove? Spell it out for us please.

    It is one of those meaningless charts with specs and photos pulled out of nowhere (Yakhont/Onix with 1300km range) and based on empty speculation on the new destroyers weaponry.

    This is what we call "hotelki" in Russia - the toys the mil wants. Reality will be more muted.

    I don't know Russian so probably the translation got muddled or the ones interviewed are not giving out concrete facts, but what is your take on http://ria.ru/interview/20141215/1037925421.html?

    Also, a different subject http://ria.ru/interview/20141208/1037115811.html.

    If true, probably the UKSK launched version has an extra booster that helps it fly higher faster therefore giving it longer range than when launched through torpedo tubes?


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:12 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    CDB "Ruby": nuclear submarines of "Antey" in the course of modernization will have new electronics

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:20 pm

    Tver going in for a modernization thumbsup

    Modernization SSGN "Tver" Project 949AM

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:02 pm

    No missiles and no reactor - fire put out thumbsup

    Source: spetsraschety extinguish submarine "Eagle" at the "Star"

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:15 pm

    crazy ivan What a Face

    Nuclear submarine catches fire at Russian shipyard



    A fire has broken out on a Russian nuclear submarine undergoing repair work at a shipyard in Severodvinsk. The cause of the fire is believed to be related to welding work.

    The incident occurred at the Zvezdochka shipyard, in the Arkhangelsk region in northern Russia.

    “The fire started in the ninth section of the sub close to the stern," a spokesman for the shipyard, Evgeny Gladyshev, told RIA Novosti. “All the personnel left the submarine and fire brigades are currently dousing the flames.”

    The fire has been localized after firefighters decided to submerge the burning submarine in water to put off the flames.

    The United Shipbuilding Company said nobody was hurt in the fire.


    A similar blaze in 2011 nearly led to a nuclear disaster as a blaze engulfed a nuclear-powered submarine carrying atomic weapons, a leading Russian magazine reported months after the blaze, contradicting official assurances that it was not armed. pirat



    Russia has a poor transport safety record. A trawler sank in icy seas off Russia's far eastern Kamchatka peninsula last week, killing at least 56 of the 132 crew members.

    In August 2000, during his first term as president, Vladimir Putin faced criticism for not acting quickly over the sinking of a nuclear-powered submarine on which all 118 people aboard died.
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    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/arts_n_ideas/news/article/nuclear-submarine-catches-fire-at-russian-shipyard-reports-say/518735.html

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:43 pm

    Moscow times is trash. The trawler had nothing to do with Russian authorities as it was a private vessel and they breeched safety measures. Not to mention it has nothing to do with subs.

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/787779

    The sub will now probably take longer to repair due to this. The layers between the hull will get damage but the hull isnt breached. So they will have to now strip the areas that were breached and repair it, causing more money and time involved.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:48 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/787813

    Hopefully that the welder simply made a mistake or that it was a freak accident. If it is the case, hopefully the welder will keep his job.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:27 pm

    I know Moscow Times is being run by Finnish media group Sanoma . I deliberately shared it so that others must know how they write provocative trash .

    Acc to me :

    There should be internal fire suppression systems, but since it was in dock and uncrewed, they were not operable, and no trained crew was there to isolate and contain it. Shipyard workers are notorious for running away and calling the fire brigades. This shows serious sloppy management. A Naval Fire Brigade trained for this should have been 5 minutes away at the shipyard. Obviously not.  

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:33 pm

    We dont have one for a major company that has a lpt of dangerous and flammable goods but most know how to use a fire extinguisher. We dont really know what they have at this shipyard. Seems that the crew are doing what they can and partially flooded the area of the fire. I imagine now they are assessing the damage to see how much it will cost now to repair it.

    Seeing as how Yasen is costing more than a borei ssbm sub, these oscars are gonna have to fill the roll till more yasens are made or something else. I imagine the sub will be out of service an additional year. The fire didnt breach the hull but did catch in the inbetween rubber layers so new material for outside of hull will need to be applied to the damage spots. Probably very costly material.


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:36 pm

    yasen is thumbsup . How many are in service currently ? 5 ?

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:40 pm

    max steel wrote:yasen is thumbsup . How many are in service currently ? 5 ?
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    And 3 more laid down. But the cost is so enormous that Yasen is the most expensive ssgn. So I dont think it will end up in the numbers one expects. I can see them coming up with either new Kilos with much more extended range and a cheaper nuclear reactor submarine. The nuclear attack subs are semi important, but not by much. But I cant see them not acquiring more. So who knows. But what we do know is Yasen is far too expensive.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:30 pm

    Such things don't come cheap . It's better than usa latest seawolf subs and others too . I rea they were expected to have 5 yasens by 2020 .

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:51 pm

    max steel wrote:Such things don't come cheap . It's better than usa latest seawolf subs and others too . I rea they were expected to have 5 yasens by 2020 .

    I was wrong. So 4 more are planned. But still, ridiculously expensive. More improved kilos and or kilo sub with aip, with more boreis would be better. Or look at possibly building a cheaper nuclear attack sub. Mixture of new and older (proven) tech. Or maybe remake akula's and amur shipyard as well as this shipyard co make them to help reduce overall costs and since various ones were made, may not be expensive to make a new one.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:09 am

    max steel wrote:There should be internal fire suppression systems, but since it was in dock and uncrewed, they were not operable, and no trained crew was there to isolate and contain it. Shipyard workers are notorious for running away and calling the fire brigades. This shows serious sloppy management. A Naval Fire Brigade trained for this should have been 5 minutes away at the shipyard. Obviously not.  

    Hard to dissagree, since potentially you could end up loosing the whole sub or have a major enviromental disaster.

    There was a similar incident not that long ago (2-3 years ago?) if I remember correctly

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  runaway on Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:20 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    The sub will now probably take longer to repair due to this. The layers between the hull will get damage but the hull isnt breached. So they will have to now strip the areas that were breached and repair it, causing more money and time involved.

    Hull fires when repairing submarines and ships seems common at russian shipyards, their hot work education seems to lack professionality.

    If the fire was prolonged and heat was high i imagine the hull was damaged in these areas and have to be replaced. All in all it would mean the subs recommisioning will be delayed by at least another year, and since it began repairs in 2013, my guess is it wont be back in service until 2017-18.


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