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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sun May 24, 2015 7:39 pm

    George1 wrote:
    are there any photos/videos of Oscars firing Oniks?

    Unfortunately no. I even wonder if that upgrade program do take place.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:00 pm

    About the nuclear special purpose submarine project 09852 (Unfinished K-329 "Belgorod" Project 949A)



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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:39 am

    George1 wrote:About the nuclear special purpose submarine project 09852 (Unfinished K-329 "Belgorod" Project 949A)


    So if I understood correctly, the Belgorod has since December 2012 been revamped as a special purpose submarine - officially "nuclear research submarine project 09852".

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:13 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    George1 wrote:About the nuclear special purpose submarine project 09852 (Unfinished K-329 "Belgorod" Project 949A)


    So if I understood correctly, the Belgorod has since December 2012 been revamped as a special purpose submarine - officially "nuclear research submarine project 09852".

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:21 am

    It does seem so...

    http://survincity.com/2010/07/second-birth-belgorod/

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:55 am

    SSGN "Antey" worked interaction with aviation and diesel submarines

    MOSCOW, September 16 - RIA Novosti. Two nuclear submarine project 949A "Antey" as part of the command and staff exercises worked interact with naval aircraft and crew diesel submarine; In the near future the forces of the Northern Fleet will be made rocket firing, told the head of the press service of the Northern Fleet captain Vadim Serga.


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  max steel on Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:30 pm

    949A with some very rarely seen weapons nearby.


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    Burned Russian Nuke Sub Returns to Ranks Before the Year End

    Post  Backinblack on Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:44 pm

    A piece of news about Russian NAVY

    Burned Russian Nuke Sub Returns to Ranks Before the Year End
    http://mil.today/2016/Incidents1/

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Viktor on Wed May 04, 2016 8:45 pm

    Nice thumbsup

    Upgraded "for aircraft carriers hunters" will hypersonic missiles

    The ongoing modernization of the arsenal of nuclear submarine project 949A "Antey" in addition to other types of missiles will include the latest hypersonic RCC "Zircon". wrote:

    Launchers are universal, the boat can change the arsenal, depending on the task ahead. " wrote:

    and the finish

    Im[b]proved "Anteia" will be equipped with 72 launchers for different types of RCC[/b], which will replace the 24 launchers for the missile complex "Granit", differing from modern considerably greater weight and dimensions. wrote:

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Thu May 05, 2016 2:05 am

    current modernization don't include this however


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Austin on Fri May 20, 2016 5:45 pm

    Russia initiates multiyear plan to modernise Oscar II SSGNs

    http://www.janes.com/article/60518/russia-initiates-multiyear-plan-to-modernise-oscar-ii-ssgns

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    Modified Oscar II (Project 949AM) SSGNs will carry up to 72 modern anti-ship cruise missiles
    The upgrade programme will keep the boats running into the 2030s, as the Project 885 Severodvinsk (Yasen)-class SSNs enter service

    Russia has commenced a multiyear plan to modernise its Project 949A Oscar II (Antyey)-class nuclear-powered guided-missile submarines (SSGNs).

    The upgrade programme includes adding a larger number of more capable missiles to the boats. The updated SSGNs will be known as Project 949AM boats, according to Russian reports.

    The Oscar II has been dubbed 'carrier killer' for its primary mission of countering aircraft carrier battlegroups. Of the 11 Oscar IIs built in the 1980s and early 1990s, eight remain in service. At present, they carry 24 Chelomey 3M45 Granit (SS-N-19 'Shipwreck') anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs).

    First reported in 2011, the modernisation plan aims by 2020 to turn most, if not all, the SSGNs into modified Oscar IIs.

    Published state contracts, which describe the scope and cost of the effort, total more than RUB25 billion (about USD372 million) and include one-time design expense contracts. Russian sources estimate a single boat upgrade will cost RUB12 billion.

    Plans for the Oscar II modification were made by the Rubin Central Design Bureau, the boats' original developer. Project 949AM boats will have a range of new systems including fire-control, communications, sonar, radar, and electronic intercept equipment. The modernisation will also include updated Omnibus-M combat information and Simfoniya-3.2 navigation systems.

    The modified Oscar II boats will reportedly carry as many as 72 ASCMs, including a mix of 3M55 Oniks (SS-N-26 'Strobile') and 3M54 Klub (SS-N-27 'Sizzler') missiles. Installation of these weapons will require no design changes to the hull, as the missiles will fit into existing launchers outside the pressure hull. Missile design bureaus Mashinostroyeniya and Novator are collaborating on a standard launch tube for both ASCMs.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Austin on Fri May 20, 2016 5:45 pm

    Any one got access to full Janes Report ?

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Fri May 20, 2016 5:50 pm

    we have seen similar articles in the past but nothing happened


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  franco on Fri May 20, 2016 5:53 pm

    Austin wrote:Any one got access to full Janes Report ?

    No, but did read that it will only be applied to 4 of the 8 Oscar still on the books which in fact equals those presently operational.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:18 am

    Russia to upgrade only part of nuclear-powered Antey submarines

    The Irkutsk and The Chelyabinsk submarines are already undergoing upgrade

    MOSCOW, September 29. /TASS/. Russia’s Navy plans to upgrade only part of the nuclear-powered submarines Antey of project 949A, the general designer of the Rubin design bureau, Igor Vilnit, has told TASS.

    "No, not all of them. There are certain plans and works will proceed accordingly," Vilnit said in reply to a question if all nuclear subs would undergo upgrade.

    He recalled that upgrade work was in full swing at the Zvezda shipyard in the Far East on two Antey submarines - The Irkutsk and The Chelyabinsk.

    Vilnit promised that the upgrade would considerably enhance the submarines’ life cycle.

    "It’s just not repairs but fundamental upgrade. Newly-developed radio-technical means will be installed on that vessel," he added.

    According to earlier reports, the Russian navy planned to upgrade ten multi-role nuclear powered submarines of projects 949A and 971. Originally, project 945(A) was mentioned on the list of submarines to be upgraded, too.

    All in all Russia has built eleven submarines of project 949A Antey. At the moment eight are on active duty. The Antey’s displacement is 24,000 tonnes. Each carries 24 launchers for Granit cruise missiles and six torpedo tubes.


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    http://tass.com/defense/902925?_ga=1.55244651.1337049799.1447427261


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:15 pm

    The Russian Northern Fleet’s Project 949A Antey-class nuclear-powered attack submarine Oryol damaged by fire in the spring of 2015 was floated out in Severodvinsk in northwest Russia after planned repairs and will re-enter service by the year-end, the press office of the Zvyozdochka repair center said on Monday.

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    http://tass.com/defense/903685


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  GarryB on Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:13 am

    So they will be fitted for 72 missiles... that suggests 9 UKSK bins.

    That should allow 72 of the Onyx, the Brahmos, the Zircon (when it is ready), the Kalibr and Klub land attack missiles and of course the Klub anti ship and anti sub missiles or a combination of these missiles.


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:15 am

    GarryB wrote:So they will be fitted for 72 missiles... that suggests 9 UKSK bins.

    That should allow 72 of the Onyx, the Brahmos, the Zircon (when it is ready), the Kalibr and Klub land attack missiles and of course the Klub anti ship and anti sub missiles or a combination of these missiles.

    i dont see any info about weapon upgrade or modernization. They just say that after the repairs, submarine's service life is expected to be extended by 3.5 years.


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:51 am

    George1 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:So they will be fitted for 72 missiles... that suggests 9 UKSK bins.

    That should allow 72 of the Onyx, the Brahmos, the Zircon (when it is ready), the Kalibr and Klub land attack missiles and of course the Klub anti ship and anti sub missiles or a combination of these missiles.

    i dont see any info about weapon upgrade or modernization. They just say that after the repairs, submarine's service life is expected to be extended by 3.5 years.

    to date they haven't finished a proper modernization of an Oscar. They are working on upgrading some to that level last I heard but those aren't done yet. That was was just standard repair and maintenance is all.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Flanky on Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:53 am

    72 missiles?! Thats what you call a missile saturation attack... With so many "surprises" it could wipe out not one but 2 carrier battlegroups for sure....

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:35 pm

    GarryB wrote:So they will be fitted for 72 missiles... that suggests 9 UKSK bins.

    That should allow 72 of the Onyx, the Brahmos, the Zircon (when it is ready), the Kalibr and Klub land attack missiles and of course the Klub anti ship and anti sub missiles or a combination of these missiles.

    I'd expect that Mashinostroyeniya and Novator are developing a multi-missile canister launcher insert for installation into the existing P-700 tubes, designed to handle Oniks and Kalibre (and hopefully Zircon). The oft-quoted missile count of 72 for a deep-modernised Pr 949A suggests that a P-700 tube is large enough to hold 3x smaller missiles.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:14 am

    They have standardised the new weapons... ie anti ship supersonic missiles like Oniks, Yakhont, Brahmos, Zircon, and also land attack missiles like Kalibr, and of course the klub family of subsonic and rocket powered supersonic anti ship missiles and supersonic anti sub torpedo delivering rockets.

    So when it says:

    The modified Oscar II boats will reportedly carry as many as 72 ASCMs, including a mix of 3M55 Oniks (SS-N-26 'Strobile') and 3M54 Klub (SS-N-27 'Sizzler') missiles. Installation of these weapons will require no design changes to the hull, as the missiles will fit into existing launchers outside the pressure hull. Missile design bureaus Mashinostroyeniya and Novator are collaborating on a standard launch tube for both ASCMs.

    That pretty much means if Oniks and Klub fit then Kalibr and Zircon and all the other missiles should be compatible as they are standardised.

    I would suspect they will have 4 and one half UKSK equivalents on each side of the sub in the outer hull where the existing Granits are located.

    The Granit being an enormous 7 ton monster, while the heaviest missile in the UKSK launcher is about 2.5 tons.


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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  gaurav on Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:30 am

    GarryB wrote:So they will be fitted for 72 missiles... that suggests 9 UKSK bins.

    We again need to containerize the information given.

    1. 8 Antey are in service another Antey Oryol is going into service by december of by February.

    2. Another 2 Antey sub are in kind of repairs and modernization .Repairs  do not include any change in weapon systems.

    3. I can repeat that  repairs or modernization do not include any weapon changes in Antey submarines.

    4.We should try to analyze that what weapons will be fitted in Yasen-M 885M submarines. We can get the hint of 949A and 949AM weapons
      from the weapons that will be fitted on Yasen-M. Whenever kazan submarine start its firing test. I think the 3rd phase of tests , then only we can asses (some sort of info) on the weapons deployed on 949A and 949AM subs.

    5. It is clear that that 949A and 949AM submarines do not have any changes in their weapon systems.
       The changes are in life cycles , radio  technical means and may be some communication assets.

    6. Last of all if the information about UKSK launcher replacement was true that tass or any other news agency must have discretely mentioned
    it in Submarine upgrade. There will be a major change if  normal Granit containers/launch tubes are replaced by UKSK tubes.
     George1 has also explicitly mentioned that no information is given about weapon changes.

    7. I think we need to wait for some time before Kazan sub actually start firing tests then we will know whether UKSK tubes are used in
    future submarine tests or not. The date of testing of Kazan sub is still not finalized but I guess it could be around
    December 2017. That is still 1 full year remaining. Last of all UKSK tubes are used for Calibre-NK missiles(Correct me if AM wrong on this).


    8.Recently Russia completed building 3-4 project 636 submarines all fitted with 8 tubes/1 container of UKSK. This information is reliable.A new contract for pacific fleet has been signed recently for Project 636 submarines.These submarines are all fitted with UKSK launchers. This is reliable information.



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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  gaurav on Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:48 am

    I forgot to add one more point.

    1. Zircon hypersonic missile is also in testing phase .May be by 2017 they will complete the development and testing of Zircon.
        There was some news about Novator and NPO Mash collaborating. This does not mean that 949 submarines are getting UKSK launchers.
       
       
    2. Zircon may be part of UKSK upgrade. That is all I can say at this point.Other forum users can comment on this.

    3. But UKSK is not part of 949A submarine upgrade. UKSK is also not part of Yasen-M submarine launch tubes.  Zircon deployment(Which
       ships/subs will get Ziron) is different question altogether. We need to discuss this separately .

    But here we are only discussing about the 949A weapons upgrade.We can finally say for sure that UKSK launchers are not going into 949A Upgrade or Yasen-M weapons system.

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    Re: Project 949A: Oscar-II

    Post  hoom on Thu Oct 13, 2016 1:43 pm

    I thought it's fairly well established that 3* UKSK tubes can fit inside a Granit tube -> 24* Granit tubes = 72* UKSK tubes.
    Also that missiles have been tested with inclined launchers.

    UKSK is also not part of Yasen-M submarine launch tube
    Really? I thought that was pretty much the major point of the Yasens?

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