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    Post  Arrow on Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:15 pm

    e latest intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) DF-41. The ICBM is equipped with a separable warhead, which includes 10 to 12 individual guidance nuclear blocks. According to various estimates, the maximum flight range of the DF-41 is about 14 thousand km, which makes it one of the most long-range ballistic missiles in the world. Enlarge this image Click to see fullsize PLA Rocket Force (Nuclear weapons): News - Page 3 Df-4110 wrote:

    These are much better parameters than the RS-24. Amazing that China has created a better solid fuel ICBM than Russia.
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    Post  PhSt on Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:46 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    These are much better parameters than the RS-24. Amazing that China has created a better solid fuel ICBM than Russia.

    Indeed. China has surpassed the declining and withering NATO in developing cutting edge missile technologies. Now China has cemented its capability to obliterate American cities in the event of American aggression in China’s sphere of interests. These are interesting times.
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    Post  Viktor on Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:05 pm

    It seems like supersonic or hypersonic cruise missile anyway long enough to have considerable reach most likely with regional US bases in mind.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3030552/did-china-just-accidentally-show-its-new-supersonic-cruise
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:57 am

    Amazing that China has created a better solid fuel ICBM than Russia.

    Pathetic attempt at trolling... try harder.

    Makes me think you are probably like SS and are here to sow dissent between Russia and China... just sad really.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:00 am

    did-china-just-accidentally-show-its-new-supersonic-cruise

    People laugh and joke about them only copying stuff, but they don't normally make mistakes like this... I rather doubt it was a mistake.
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    Post  Arrow on Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:31 am

    I only compare Russian and Chinese ICBM missiles. Simply, China develops its weapons, has greater potential and outperforms Russia also technically.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:42 am

    Really?

    The Russians have said their current land based ICBMs can attack the US via the south pole... does that suggest a lack of range?

    I am very impressed that you think 14K km range says anything about their level of technology at all, but by all means tell us all about it.
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    Post  Arrow on Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:46 am

    China has developed heavy ICBM for solid fuel . Capable of transporting 10MIRV over a distance of 14,000km. This is a great success. Yars has much worse parameters, and Sarmat has been using liquid fuel, and for two years it has not even started flight tests, except for starting from a silo.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:11 am

    The 14k km range means one thing : they still can't make good SSBN and don't trust the ones they have so they need a longer range ground based one to patrol larger parts in China.

    More warheads means they have less power for eah one and contrary to what you may think a small nuk won't destroy a city.
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    Post  jhelb on Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:36 pm

    Arrow wrote:China has developed heavy ICBM for solid fuel . Capable of transporting 10MIRV over a distance of 14,000km. This is a great success.

    Has China ever shared concrete proof to suggest that this missile was successfully tested not once but several times ? Basically this is just one of their claims. Zero concrete evidence that these claims are true.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:17 pm

    DF-41: diameter 2,25m, weight 80 tons, range 14 - 15.000 km
    Yars: diameter 1,8m, weight 49,6 tons, range 11 - 12.000 km

    Maybe it is just me, but for me the Yars seems to be superior to the DF-41.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:26 am

    There is also the aspect of what it delivers... standard reentry vehicles can be intercepted by ABM systems... in fact an S-500 system located near the Chinese border could probably shoot down this missile before the warheads and decoys even separate.

    In comparison the Russian missile can deliver warheads that can't be intercepted...
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:51 pm

    GarryB wrote:There is also the aspect of what it delivers... standard reentry vehicles can be intercepted by ABM systems... in fact an S-500 system located near the Chinese border could probably shoot down this missile before the warheads and decoys even separate.

    In comparison the Russian missile can deliver warheads that can't be intercepted...

    This is interesting. Putin has for the first time publicly confirmed that Russia is helping China to build its early-warning system for detection of missile attack, a critical part of modern nuclear deterrent.

    https://twitter.com/AlexGabuev/status/1180037529849880576?s=20
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:05 am

    Which would make China no longer and easy target... I think the US plan was to develop IRBMs that they could use to take out Chinas nuclear capability in about 10 minutes and likely undetected, and therefore take out its ability to directly respond in kind.

    With a working warning system China will see an attack coming so the incoming intermediate range ballistic missiles or depressed trajectory SLBMs will hit empty silos as the Chinese should have enough warning of the scale and scope of the attack to launch their own attack before their ability to launch their weapons is taken away.

    A nice kick in the balls for the US.

    Also a huge confidence boost for China because they should now be much less vulnerable to a sneak attack from anyone... which should improve stability and reduce tensions.

    Good for China and good for Russia... not so good for the people in the US like Bolton and Pompeo who think an attack is good diplomacy... but screw them anyway.
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:23 pm

    GarryB wrote:Which would make China no longer and easy target... I think the US plan was to develop IRBMs that they could use to take out Chinas nuclear capability in about 10 minutes and likely undetected, and therefore take out its ability to directly respond in kind.

    In the process Russia is also compromising its own early warning systems enabling China to develop missiles that can evade Russian early warning systems.

    Thereafter, China will simply reverse engineer this tech and export it to several countries.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:15 pm

    Why?

    What makes you think the system they are selling China is anything like the one Russia currently uses?

    They could be selling an ancient setup they used in the 1980s but with modern components for all we know... which is going to be much much better than nothing which they have now.

    But more importantly it is Russia that will have intimate knowledge of the Chinese defence system... the Chinese will learn about how the system Russia builds for them works but wont have any idea of what Russia has or how it works, so if you are going to be mr negative, it would actually prevent a sneak US attack (which benefits China) but would make a Russian attack easier because they know the system... which means nothing to Russia or China because why would Russia attack China?

    China almost certainly will reverse engineer the technology... why wouldn't they?

    Do you think Russia will ignore the plans for the Mistral ships they bought?

    If they are making a new helicopter carrier then why not incorporate parts of that design to make something that suits them but is of a proven operational design...

    The Chinese Type 56S which I had to hand back in to police was a copy of a Soviet AKM, but they changed the design... instead of a small hammer delay mechanism in front of the trigger group like they have on the Soviet AKM, the Chinese just put an extended piece of metal above the bolt that blocked the hammer from hitting the firing pin until the bolt carrier was fully forward in place. The Soviet solution prevented the hammer from hitting the firing pin until the bolt was locked to the chamber and the bolt carrier was fully forward... the Chinese solution did the same thing but just required an extra small triangle of metal be added to the rear of the bolt carrier instead of an interrupter arm and spring ahead of the trigger group.

    A simple and clever solution...

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