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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:25 am

    Shooting of Chinese operational and tactical missile systems DF-16 and DF-11AZT

    The Chinese mobile operational-tactical missile of the advanced range DF-16. It is believed that the missile can carry 1, 2 or 3 warheads with individual guidance. The range of fire is from 800 to 1000 km. Flight tests, presumably, were carried out in 2009-11. The DF-16 entered service with the PLA.

    DongFeng 11 (export name: M-11, NATO designation: CSS-7) is a mobile, single-stage, short-range ballistic missile developed at CASIC Sanjiang Space Group (also known as 066 base) located in Hubei province. The missile is on a four-axle transport-launcher, which has much in common with the TPU of the Russian SS-1C Scud-B missile. The DongFeng 11 rocket was developed in the 80s and was intended for the export market. The upgraded version of the DongFeng 11A, which has an increased range of fire and increased accuracy, went into service with the Chinese army in 1999. DongFeng 11 is a mobile single-stage solid-fuel short-range ballistic missile. The basic version of the rocket had a range of 280 to 350 km and a payload of 500 kg. The upgraded DongFeng 11A range was increased to 500-700 km. In addition to the conventional high-explosive (HE) warhead, the missile can be equipped with cassette, chemical warheads, as well as a bulk explosion (FAE) ammunition. It can also carry a tactical nuclear charge of 2 to 20 kt.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:34 am

    Bullets and bombs on China’s high-speed rail network
    http://www.atimes.com/article/bullets-bombs-chinas-high-speed-rail-network/

    IRBMs may also be put on trains- bringing all of India & her navy in their crosshairs from Tibet, Inner Mongolia &/ Sinkiang.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:20 am

    Is China’s ‘Guam killer’ missile too hyped up?
    With a maximum range of 4,000 kilometers, the DF-26 would have the capability to strike US naval facilities and assets on the Pacific island of Guam. It is said that it can carry conventional and nuclear payloads, as well as strike targets on land and at sea.
    An EMP burst can disable an entire CSG. Next, AShCMs can hit every ship w/o any countermeasures & defensive armaments able to be effectively employed against them.
    With their range from the Chinese coastline=2,159.8 nmi, 2.25 x that of the DF-21D (955,8 nmi), their presence alone will force CSGs at least that far away from it, making the AWs useless there. https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a18211702/fa-18-super-hornet-longer-legs-fuel-tanks-range/


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:41 am

    IRBMs may also be put on trains- bringing all of India & her navy in their crosshairs from Tibet, Inner Mongolia &/ Sinkiang.

    Another reason for Russia to pick Chinese companies to develop high speed trains in Russia... they could work together on armed train designs too...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:36 am

    If it was feasible, they would have done it already. Big Russian cities r farther way from each other, & have less population than in China. Also, in the present economy, most people can't afford to pay higher fares anyway, so those trains & lines will take longer to break even.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:57 am

    So what you are saying is that if space travel to other stars will never ever happen because it hasn't been done yet by humans from Earth?

    They have said that they are turning from military spending to infrastructure and one of the things they are looking at is high speed trains and generally upgrading their rail network.

    BTW the Chinese have had massive success with upgrading their train network and the internal travel between cities has boomed because of improved network access internally between Chinese cities.

    Improved rail links between cities will improve things for the Russians and open up some regions that are currently rather isolated.

    The ultimate pressure is to further improve rail links across the country to encourage and expand capacity from Asia to the EU, but they are trying to expand it to cover more areas including the far north as well... there is potential for material to be shipped via the northern sea route to any of the many ports there to put products on trains to then deliver east or west. It will also improve the ability to support operations in the arctic regions and to get minerals and resources out of the far east.

    The article I read they were trying to decide between German or Chinese assistance in this work... and to be honest with the flaky way the EU is acting my money would be on Chinese assistance in this programme as it would be more reliable and less likely to be cut off.

    A 300 mile per hour train would be competitive against aircraft...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:52 pm

    In some densely populated areas it's possible, but I doubt they'll have so many high speed lines as in China. Cargo trains r not safe to operate at such high speeds, & maintaining the lines will be more costly.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:15 am

    In some densely populated areas it's possible, but I doubt they'll have so many high speed lines as in China.

    Well, no, that is not the point... the point is to link different places together, so farmers can take some produce to market in the big city themselves, or people can live further out from the centre of a big city and still get to work each day... or people can go for a day to visit relatives in different cities, or expand their search for work or a friend or whatever.

    Or just check out a different place for a day or two.... to find out what sort of place they really are.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:49 am

    Most crops r gown in the European part, & it's well covered by the rail network:
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    Individual farmers don't go too far to sell their produce- not worth the time & $; they won't need fast trains if it only takes 1-2hrs to reach a city. Also, passenger trains don't have much room for produce; they use trucks for that, not trains full of people & their luggage.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:03 pm

    Most crops r gown in the European part, & it's well covered by the rail network:

    Do you think there is a reason for that?

    If there was no rail network at all the main crop areas would either be linked by road or by air... the latter rather more expensively linked.

    The point is that where there is a rail network, you can have development and growth because it is linked to the rest of the country... even the far side of it if needed, or the outside world even.

    Where there is no link... like most of the far east... growth is limited by how much resources you can source locally or how much you brought in with you... or how much can be brought in by air.... roads not being an option... or cross country from the nearest port.

    With more rail links then there is less need for long cross country travels... as well as the fun fact that shorter ranged flights can mean smaller lighter aircraft can be used to move things around to previously deeply inaccessible areas...

    This is what happened in the US when they introduced trains... it happened in India and in China too...
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:06 pm

    Individual farmers don't go too far to sell their produce- not worth the time & $; they won't need fast trains if it only takes 1-2hrs to reach a city. Also, passenger trains don't have much room for produce; they use trucks for that, not trains full of people & their luggage.

    Even when selling it themselves, most crops in a farmers market are not 1-2 hours old from being picked...

    One of the fantastic things about trains is that you can add and remove carriages of all types as easily as changing your mind, so a cargo carriage can be added... even at the last minute... if a train becomes full even just at the last minute they can add more carriages easily enough...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:35 pm

    Beyond the Urals, the climate & soils can at best produce only subsistent agriculture, not commercial. No amount of new roads will change that.
    Reindeer meat is transported by ships on the NSR &/ perhaps trucks to the nearest railhead; other red meat is consumed locally- it's too costly to send it West where there's enough cattle for le$$. Only canned seafood is worth sending elsewhere by train from there.
    That's what big agricompanies do: they process crops & produce, load them on trains/trucks to be shipped 100s & sometimes 1000s of miles in refrigerated cars. No need to have fast trains for that.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:26 am

    From the parade...DF-17 reportedly armed with a hypersonic glider...according to the Americans, it has a range around 1800 - 2500 km

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    Post  Arrow on Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:51 pm

    Unlike Russia, China has shown its hypersonic weapon. It can be said that this is the first country in the world to possess this weapon. They revealed their HGV!
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:23 pm

    Arrow wrote:Unlike Russia, China has shown its hypersonic weapon. It can be said that this is the first country in the world to possess this weapon. They revealed their HGV!

    It can only be said for trolls like you.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:42 pm

    Arrow wrote:Unlike Russia, China has shown its hypersonic weapon. It can be said that this is the first country in the world to possess this weapon. They revealed their HGV!

    Take it easy...it's a tactical system. Max speed is given as mach 5

    some of the new missile systems on the parade
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:48 pm

    Arrow wrote:Unlike Russia, China has shown its hypersonic weapon. It can be said that this is the first country in the world to possess this weapon. They revealed their HGV!

    Shown?

    Is that some new criteria all of a sudden?

    Russians shown theirs last year

    They are operating them already with two more on the way

    We are yet to see chincoms press the button on old solid fuel DF-21, this new one will probably fly years after DF-21 is used the first time





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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:50 pm

    Arrow wrote:Unlike Russia, China has shown its hypersonic weapon. It can be said that this is the first country in the world to possess this weapon. They revealed their HGV!
    Give it a rest clown-shoes, even the pathetic Western press acknowledged Avantgarde and Zircon's existence, and they even confirmed the capabilities of Nudol.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:54 pm

    More photos of DF-17 hypersonic glider

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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:01 am

    The latest supersonic long-range cruise missile DF-100, dubbed “hyper killer” by China’s military hardware enthusiasts, with a range of 2000-3000 kms that is capable of hitting land targets or large warships, according to Chinese media.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:05 am

    The latest intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) DF-41. The ICBM is equipped with a separable warhead, which includes 10 to 12 individual guidance nuclear blocks. According to various estimates, the maximum flight range of the DF-41 is about 14 thousand km, which makes it one of the most long-range ballistic missiles in the world.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:34 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Unlike Russia, China has shown its hypersonic weapon. It can be said that this is the first country in the world to possess this weapon. They revealed their HGV!

    Shown?

    Is that some new criteria all of a sudden?

    Russians shown theirs last year

    They are operating them already with two more on the way

    We are yet to see chincoms press the button on old solid fuel DF-21, this new one will probably fly years after DF-21 is used the first time




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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:32 am

    From old missiles. Medium-range ballistic missiles DF-26, their maximum range is estimated at about 4000 km

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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:52 am

    Intercontinental ballistic missiles DF-31AG with an estimated maximum range of more than 11,000 km

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    Post  George1 on Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:04 am

    Silo-based Intercontinental ballistic missiles Dongfeng-5B with an estimated maximum range of about 13,000 km

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