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    Mike E
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    Re: Russia and China Nuclear attack threat to USA

    Post  Mike E on Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:57 am

    Werewolf wrote:
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    Them can't jail the whole country anyway, and war is a great way to get citizens riled up for good or for bad.
    All jokes aside, it's possible during martial law. Look at nazi germany. So you have to start a war and obtain martial rights in order to mobilize people, take extraordinary power, suppress any opposition, ect.

    American are mostly ignorant and patriotic (no offence!). It's not that hard to tell about red bear is alive, begin a propaganda campaign, starting with somekind of a false flag operation, say, russians attack another civilian plane full of cute kittens. Jingoistic early-war patriotism wave will wash many brains, you will see crowds screaming 'Let's show those communist bastarts the taste of an apple pie! Don't tread on us!'. And after that - first casulities, hatred and vengeance will start to burn bright, goverment will start witchhunt and many will be sure they do a right thing sppressing off the dissension. Day by day the hysteria will grow until the goverment will take full control over society, and then it will be too late. Even if someone will choose to fight own goverment, they will be displayed as radicals, terrorists and treacherous bastartds, who should be stomped outright. And granpa's shotguns, civilian berettas and yugoslavian AKs aren't arguments against artillery and strike UAVs. Don't think the goverment would be stupid enough to loose control over national guard or regular army units - USA isn't Ukraine, after all
    Martial law? The US population would never let that happen, never-mind war with a country like Russia...

    Most Americans are, but a large minority aren't... Despite their idiocy at times, the Right along with far-left and far-top (like myself) would be very opposed to such action. It seems plausible in theory, but "We the People" have had enough of this crap.... Many of see through the propaganda, the false-flags etc. The US would have a heck of a hard time controlling us, especially when we are armed... Our armed forces would never (many*) engage against citizens anyway.

    Major BS, there is already Martial law in the US trained and forced upon several towns, police already gets militarized, after Boston Bombing False Flag they have been searching houses with APC colons without any warrant to search your house. The US is already beyond 1984, any day they can do what they want and there will be no bloody revolution to bring down this empire from within, US citizens are already zombified, as long they have junk food and TV they will not move a finger.
    There is, and it is constantly rebelled against by citizens... There is a difference between the "Martial law" you are thinking about and the "Martial law" that Asf and I are thinking about.

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    Re: Russia and China Nuclear attack threat to USA

    Post  Asf on Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:04 am

    Martial law? The US population would never let that happen, never-mind war with a country like Russia...
    Ok,Russia invade Ukraine and take down a plane full of cute kittens. Politicians tell you your allies in Germany and Polland won't make it against the Red Bear, USA need to save the free world again, just like your grandparents did in Normandy. Reservists are called up, first destroyers and submarines are damaged during growing naval skirmishes, dozens of american sailors killed or injured, several MAGTFs together with japanese are ready to launch a surprise attack on Sakhalin and Vladivostok, you see a lot of fat, scared 40-years old national guardsmen walking around in your town. Politicians argue about the need of conscription. It's a russian commies, after all, f*cking hordes of them. France seems to be on their side ("traitors! after all we did for them during WWII!"), Italy is silent, and Germany have already pissed it's pants having no army to speak of. China seems to be quiet, but it's naval forces are gathering around Korea and Japan for no reason. So, as they tell you, it's time to show all the national spirit - working day will be longered, taxes will grow up, less fancy stuff in stores (after all we shouldn't trust chinese commies who are in league with russkies bastards) - but it's ok, after the war (which of course will be short and victorious!) americans will again change their cars every year, ect. Many people believe in it, you know your neighbours are speaking about 'sleeping KGB agents' who will try to sabotage America's unevitable victory from within (as they heard on patriotic meetings). Police have already took away one unfriendly guy living alone down the street - nobody seems to know there he is, somebody say he moved to Georgia or joined Navy. The Congress have given the president right to use National Guard in case of public disorders, "because of illegal migrants and mexican drug dealers". In his speech the president tells about hard times which will harden the USA, about justice which should be swift during this times of unrest and about new age of prosperity which will happen after all revisionists will be pounded into dust.

    What would you do? Will you agree that the USA is challenged by some reds and go to the recruit center like a true patriot? Or will you fight the 'necessery evil' tales you are force fed like all other americans? How? Your internet traffic could already be monitored by NSA, as there was no revolution then you understood the net is under NSA's umbrella

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    Re: Russia and China Nuclear attack threat to USA

    Post  Vann7 on Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:32 pm

    Mike E wrote:
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    Any war with Russia, and you can expect a revolution here in the US.

    That's what FEMA camps are for  Smile
    That's a completely loony joke of a conspiracy theory... I'm a "conspiracy theorist" myself, but FEMA camps went over the line... There really hasn't been much (if any) real evidence supporting the theory, for crying out loud they used cheap plastic coffin (holder things) as proof! 

    Them can't jail the whole country anyway, and war is a great way to get citizens riled up for good or for bad.

    Oh Boy.. the Fema camps is NOT conspiracy .. Is a fact.  They are concentration camps for american citizens . The US government expect major Riots and Unrest like never in history if for example a major conflict start with Russia or IRAN.. even if it is temporarily .. lets say a US Aircraft carrier is sinked.. that will create millions of angry americans turning to the streets demanding the President and the Army Generals to resign.. Many heads will roll.. and the only way to save The US Government in such scenario.. that millions protest in every city.. is arresting millions and sending
    them to the Camps ,just to allow the government to continue.  The Coffins were ordered because they expect many people to die.. as consequences of the violence..  Is not conspiracy dude.. The White House is expecting their actions against Russia and or CHINA or IRAN/Syria sooner or later will backfire and they are preparing fro it..

    The Fema camp are civilian prisons , concentration camps to control population.. they were created in Nazi Germany too to counter the opposition to the Government for their criminal wars in europe.. For what are the Fema concentration camps? To guarantee that even in the worse case scenario ,that the government of United States  will not be overthrow.. but what do i know? lets listen what Bill Clinton says then about the fema camps when asked..



    CLinton did not deny the Rumor ,he confirms it.. He clearly says people and the government needs to go together, not separate ways.. (no revolution). So the concentration camps is nothing more than the last line of defense of the government , to hold and maintain its power , in case a major revolution happens. No such a thing like freedom exist in america.. you are only free as long as you do not interfere in the government world agendas.. of destroying everyone who is not aligned with them.

    The US government is so Obsessed in creating a world empire ,and following hostile policy against Russia and other
    emerging nations ,that they for sure have been preparing to arrest probably as much as 10% to 20% of its entire population ,that is 1 member of each family.  

    Why did you think the US spy on all americans their phone numbers and internet?  To be 3 step ahead of any potential Revolution in USA.. that could overthrow them.. Actually Ukraine is also making their own version of Fema Camps too.. they were expecting major unrest because of their illegal war against civilians.. Whenever any government have plans to do things that its population will not support and majority will reject it ,and they expect a lot of resistance ,then they create concentration camps..   The US Gov wants war with Syria with IRAN and will continue supporting terrorist in the middle east.. all those things are highly unpopular on Americans.. So the Fema Camps have the role as Clinton say.. to allow them to continue operating with civilians collaboration as he call it and not without them.. As Clinton told.. they cannot allow Americans to go their own way ( a revolution) without the government . so thats the role of Fema Camps.. at the moment hundreds of them exist in all USA.. every state have at least one Fema concentration camp for a major unrest they expecting.  Things that can cause Unrest?

    1) War
    2) hundreds americans killed because of the US government illegal actions..
    3) A coup by a president against his own nation.. a take over of all democratic institutions and turn US into a dictatorship.. etc..  Obama is not far from that.
    4)A failed False Flag event ,where americans killed and evidence shows it was all setup by the government.
    5)a lethal virus , that require the army to totally seal a City.. etc. ( This is the only one case where is justified concentration camps only if is proven beyond doubt is not Government fault.)  

    And USA is already at war with Russia.. is called the Arabspring.. Basically they hire mercenaries to overthrow
    any government that is friendly to Russia.. Libya was friendly to Russia check... Syria..check.. Iraq..check... Argelia revolution was in 2010.. check.. the only exception is egypt that was overthrow their president for not being totally loyal..to the west.. The jewish elite wants monkeys to rule in any country in the world..that they control.. that when they say jump..they jump.. Notice how ISIS and Alqaeda do not attack the nations in the middle east where they have their military bases..and naval bases.. terrorist never byte the hands the feeds them.

    And about fema camps.I will not be surprised actually if Russia had their own concentration camps too.. If for example Russia is attacked by a nuke ,they will have to totally destroy the aggressor military infrastructure at least  and many Russian people peace activist financed/brainwashed by US NGOS..will oppose any war of Russia against anyone.. not even for the defense of their nation after being attacked.  The major difference however is that US is preparing against the strong negative reaction of civilians against their illegal and criminal actions they planning to do against other nations without being provoked.. ie.. like bombing IRAN nuclear facilities or Assad or exporting terrorist to Russia... while Russia is preparing for legitimate self defense of their nation if attacked first.

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    Re: Russia and China Nuclear attack threat to USA

    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:39 pm

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    Re: Russia and China Nuclear attack threat to USA

    Post  BTRfan on Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:49 am

    Mike E wrote:
    par far wrote:We know what the war on terror is all about,  hope Russia is ready. In 2016 us elections will happen and after that they will push for war.


    http://edition.presstv.ir/iphone/detail.aspx?id=382723

    They simply cannot go to war with Russia... As a US citizen, we don't have the money, we don't have the equipment *ready*, and most importantly - the public doesn't want war, more so against Russia. The nuclear shield is more relevant than ever, and I expect it to stay that way for years to come... If the US actually goes to war with Russia (they won't), you can bet your money that there will be a bad case of coup d'etat heading towards Washington.


    The military does not operate independent of the central banks.

    All general and flag officers require approval by Congress... In short, they are political tools. There will not be a coup from the military. They would actually be likely to support a war with Russia since it would result in their budget being increased and it would probably result in their receiving five to ten million new recruits via a national draft. War with Russia would give the military a huge boost in national relevance and importance.

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    Re: Russia and China Nuclear attack threat to USA

    Post  BTRfan on Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:52 am

    Mike E wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    Mike E wrote:
    par far wrote:We know what the war on terror is all about,  hope Russia is ready. In 2016 us elections will happen and after that they will push for war.


    http://edition.presstv.ir/iphone/detail.aspx?id=382723

    They simply cannot go to war with Russia... As a US citizen, we don't have the money, we don't have the equipment *ready*, and most importantly - the public doesn't want war, more so against Russia. The nuclear shield is more relevant than ever, and I expect it to stay that way for years to come... If the US actually goes to war with Russia (they won't), you can bet your money that there will be a bad case of coup d'etat heading towards Washington.

    What do you think US has so many slaves for?

    Like in Roman empire they will send stupid retarded slave countries to do their wars aka EU and NATO and even non NATO slaves are doing their Terrorist academies with annually thousands graduates.

    WW3 is set in stone that is unavoidable.
    I completely disagree... Any war with Russia, and you can expect a revolution here in the US. In fact, I doubt many troops would even fight! 

    The best way for war to be stopped or avoided, is internally, and that is how it is here in the US... 

    Not with nuclear weapons it isn't. People have been predicting WW3 ever since WW2, and guess what?




    When soldiers are told to fight or else they won't get paid and they will go to prison, that is a strong motivator for fighting... In fact most of them won't even need to be told those things, they will understand those issues...

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    Re: Russia and China Nuclear attack threat to USA

    Post  max steel on Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:52 am

    Is Nunn-Lugar Agreement still valid ? It was due to expire in 2013 . As Garry mentioned if this agreement harms Russia , then why are they keen in continuing it ?


    What i got from net . I guess Russia had withdrawn itself already . cheers

    Russia turns back on Nunn-Lugar after 20 years of cooperative nuclear weapons destruction – Russian papers say





    The Russian government announced that it is backing out of the Nunn-Lugar program, the most successful US-Russia nuclear and chemical weapons destruction program of the post-Soviet period, citing, according to US officials, the Kremlin’s prioritization of military secrets over financial assistance, Russian Media have reported.

    http://bellona.org/news/nuclear-issues/nuclear-issues-in-ex-soviet-republics/2012-10-update-russia-turns-back-on-nunn-lugar-after-20-years-of-cooperative-nuclear-weapons-destruction-russian-papers-say

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    Re: Russia and China Nuclear attack threat to USA

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:12 am

    When soldiers are told to fight or else they won't get paid and they will go to prison, that is a strong motivator for fighting... In fact most of them won't even need to be told those things, they will understand those issues...

    When the threat of a real war materialised in 1990 there were a lot of soldiers who tried to find reasons not to go... in fact I remember there was one ship that got the nickname "The Love Boat" because so many women on board suddenly got pregnant that it was so under manned that it had to delay going to war while replacements were sorted out...

    Obviously getting pregnant is not an option for men, but there are always plenty who wont want to go to real war where there is a serious risk they could be killed or injured and a conflict with Russia would count as a conflict where the risk was rather high IMHO.

    Of course many will be keen to fight because they know with all superior weapons and equipment being American made they will win. Lots of others however will not be so confident... they will be called whistle blowers or cowards at best and traitors or terrorists at worst... and I rather suspect there will be quite a few of those too.


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