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In Russia, announced a contest for a name for the new spaceship
http://m.ria.ru/science/20150827/1210318636.html
I suggest "Independence" or "Sovereignty"...
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"Oryol" next-generation manned spacecraft
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I suggest "Independence" or "Sovereignty"...
PapaDragon
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Awesome!!!
''New Russian Spaceship to Be Ready Ahead of Schedule''
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150829/1026353790.html
ALSO:
......Vladimir Solntsev also said that Russia is planning to test a fundamentally new and unique rocket engine of the new generation designed for carriers of any class in 2016.
"I initiated on behalf of RSC Energia, as the management company for NPO Energomash [Russian rocket engines producer] to create a modern pulse detonation rocket engine…. Fire tests of the engine, which has not been named yet, with operating temperature of about 6000 degrees [Celsius] in combustion chambers are planed for early 2016," Solntsev told reporters at the MAKS.
After successfully undergoing all the necessary tests, the engine will be used in the launchers of light, medium and heavy class, Energia chief added......
^^This could be quite significant...
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CAUTION!: The voting has started by the name of the new Russian manned vehicle of the ship. All are invited to attend can vote for one of the ten names in our group vkontakte ( www.vk.com/roscosmos ). you can also vote on the official website of RSC Energia ( http://gagarin.energia.ru/konkurs-ptk-np.html ).
The competition was launched on 27 August 2015, and has caused a tremendous interest among the citizens of Russia. The most active participants were Muscovites, St. Petersburg and the inhabitants of the east of Russia from 25 to 40 years. In Total, it was suggested that the names of 5817 options.
The vote will last until 23 December 2015. On the outcome of the vote is determined by the three options, of which the jury will choose the best. The winner is waiting for the main prize - trip at the baikonur and the opportunity to be present at startup transport manned spacecraft "Union" to the international space station in the spring of 2016.
The results of the contest will be announced on 15 January 2016.
Additional information on the contest is available on the official website of RSC Energia (www.energia.ru).
Manned transport ship of a new generation of (PTK) development of RSC Energia is intended for the delivery of people and goods to the moon and the orbital station located in earth orbit.
The ship is from, for its creation is subject to the latest technology, sometimes with no parallel in world space. In particular, return the apparatus of the tap will be met from the composite materials, provides for separate periods a connecting the machine. Modern vehicle electronic equipment will enable more effectively with the challenges of rapprochement and docking of the ship, to improve the security of the crew at the stages of breeding and down to earth.
The size of the crew of the tap to be up to 4 people. In the treatment of autonomous flight ship can be up to 30 days, with the flight in the composition of the orbital station - to 1 years. The total mass of the ship in flight to the space station will be equal to 14,4 tons (19 tons in the flight to the moon), The Mass Return Apparatus-9 TONS. The Length of the ship-6,1 meters. The nominal overload while there-3 G. For the removal of the ship in orbit, it is planned to use the launcher heavy class "Hangar-a5v".
The competition was launched on 27 August 2015, and has caused a tremendous interest among the citizens of Russia. The most active participants were Muscovites, St. Petersburg and the inhabitants of the east of Russia from 25 to 40 years. In Total, it was suggested that the names of 5817 options.
The vote will last until 23 December 2015. On the outcome of the vote is determined by the three options, of which the jury will choose the best. The winner is waiting for the main prize - trip at the baikonur and the opportunity to be present at startup transport manned spacecraft "Union" to the international space station in the spring of 2016.
The results of the contest will be announced on 15 January 2016.
Additional information on the contest is available on the official website of RSC Energia (www.energia.ru).
Manned transport ship of a new generation of (PTK) development of RSC Energia is intended for the delivery of people and goods to the moon and the orbital station located in earth orbit.
The ship is from, for its creation is subject to the latest technology, sometimes with no parallel in world space. In particular, return the apparatus of the tap will be met from the composite materials, provides for separate periods a connecting the machine. Modern vehicle electronic equipment will enable more effectively with the challenges of rapprochement and docking of the ship, to improve the security of the crew at the stages of breeding and down to earth.
The size of the crew of the tap to be up to 4 people. In the treatment of autonomous flight ship can be up to 30 days, with the flight in the composition of the orbital station - to 1 years. The total mass of the ship in flight to the space station will be equal to 14,4 tons (19 tons in the flight to the moon), The Mass Return Apparatus-9 TONS. The Length of the ship-6,1 meters. The nominal overload while there-3 G. For the removal of the ship in orbit, it is planned to use the launcher heavy class "Hangar-a5v".
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Voted for Zvezda (Star)...
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Flanky wrote:Voted for Zvezda (Star)...
me too!
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Voted for Gagarin, no contest really...
I was hoping Aurora would be in the competition, bummer...
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PapaDragon wrote:
Voted for Gagarin, no contest really...
I was hoping Aurora would be in the competition, bummer...
whats the russian name of Aurora?
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Voskhod, also a less used Latin variant Avrora.George1 wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
Voted for Gagarin, no contest really...
I was hoping Aurora would be in the competition, bummer...
whats the russian name of Aurora?
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Svyatoslavich wrote:Voskhod, also a less used Latin variant Avrora.George1 wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
Voted for Gagarin, no contest really...
I was hoping Aurora would be in the competition, bummer...
whats the russian name of Aurora?
So it turns out Aurora was used before in a way, interesting, I did not know that...
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Sorry, I thought I could suggest my own.
Sorry, I thought I could suggest my own.
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Russia's new-generation manned spaceship may be called Gagarin Vector or Federation
The new vehicle will service Russia’s lunar program
MOSCOW, December 25. /TASS/. The names Gagarin, that of the first man in space, Vector and Federation top the Internet shortlist of names for a new-generation manned transport spacecraft, the press service of Russia’s Energia Rocket and Space Corporation said on Friday.
"As many as 35,105 people took part in the voting," the statement said. "More than 10,000 people suggested the new spaceship to be named after Earth’s first cosmonaut, Yuri Gagarin. Near 5,000 people voted for the Vector name, and above 3,500 for the Federation name."
Whoever has entered the eventual winning name will take the main prize, a trip to Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan to watch the launch of a Soyuz manned cargo spaceship to the International Space Station next spring.
Russia’s space agency, Rosсosmos, will announce the winner on January 15.
The new vehicle will service Russia’s lunar program. The ship, accommodating up to four crew, will be able to stay in independent flight for up to 30 days and up to a year when docked to the space station. The ship’s weight in orbiting flight will be 14.4 tonnes, and 19 tonnes in a lunar mission.
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http://tass.ru/en/science/847093
The new vehicle will service Russia’s lunar program
MOSCOW, December 25. /TASS/. The names Gagarin, that of the first man in space, Vector and Federation top the Internet shortlist of names for a new-generation manned transport spacecraft, the press service of Russia’s Energia Rocket and Space Corporation said on Friday.
"As many as 35,105 people took part in the voting," the statement said. "More than 10,000 people suggested the new spaceship to be named after Earth’s first cosmonaut, Yuri Gagarin. Near 5,000 people voted for the Vector name, and above 3,500 for the Federation name."
Whoever has entered the eventual winning name will take the main prize, a trip to Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan to watch the launch of a Soyuz manned cargo spaceship to the International Space Station next spring.
Russia’s space agency, Rosсosmos, will announce the winner on January 15.
The new vehicle will service Russia’s lunar program. The ship, accommodating up to four crew, will be able to stay in independent flight for up to 30 days and up to a year when docked to the space station. The ship’s weight in orbiting flight will be 14.4 tonnes, and 19 tonnes in a lunar mission.
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New Russian manned spacecraft to be called Federation
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http://tass.ru/en/science/849959
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Russia’s new manned spacecraft to be 3.5 times cheaper than US Dragon
Russia plans to launch the Federation space vehicle in 2021
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http://tass.ru/en/science/851562
Russia plans to launch the Federation space vehicle in 2021
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http://tass.ru/en/science/851562
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Russia to Begin Building New 'Federation' Spacecraft This Summer
http://sputniknews.com/science/20160411/1037816410/russia-new-spacecraft.html
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Fresh one:
Mark Serov is my Facebook friend
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RSC "Energia" patented thermal control coating for PTK "Federation"
http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/77285/
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Conducted the first test of a new spacecraft "Federation"
http://ria.ru/science/20160505/1427034922.html
so no more option for 6 persons?
MOSCOW, 5 may — RIA Novosti. Specialists RSC "Energia" has held the first tests of the elements of human-machine interface on a unique stand ergonomic testing piloted transport ship (PTK) a new generation of "Federation", is spoken in the message of the Corporation.
Stand ergonomic testing with high accuracy simulates the jobs of the crew on the command deck of the ship and the working conditions of the crew, including with the use of rescue suits.
"In the framework of the tests performed the tests of different management information formats for the crew of the "Federation", after the analysis of the results of which decisions will be made on whether to implement those or other elements of the interface in the new vehicle, information zones on the displays of the astronauts", — stated in the message.
Working off of elements of human-machine interface is on the basic algorithms of crew performance and all phases of flight – launch, elimination, Autonomous flight, rendezvous and docking and flying in a part of a space station or a lunar orbital transfer complex.
Manned transport spacecraft of new generation developments of RSC "Energia" is designed to deliver people and cargo to the moon and a space station in earth orbit.
The spacecraft is reusable, its design incorporates advanced technologies, some of which have no analogues in world cosmonautics. In particular, the return apparatus of PTK will be performed using new materials, and have a reusable connecting unit. Modern avionics will allow to solve more effectively the problem of rendezvous and docking ship, will increase the safety of the crew during launch and descent to the Ground.
The number of crew PTK will be up to four people. In the Autonomous flight mode, the ship can be up to 30 days, in flight in the orbital station to one year. The total mass of the spacecraft during the flight to the space station will be equal to 14.4 tonnes (19 tons during the flight to the moon), the weight of the recovery vehicle 9 tons. The ship length — 6.1 meters. For launching craft into orbit is planned to use the carrier rocket heavy class "Angara-А5П"
http://ria.ru/science/20160505/1427034922.html
so no more option for 6 persons?
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:Conducted the first test of a new spacecraft "Federation"
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so no more option for 6 persons?
It was dropped quite a while ago. Originally idea was to be able to carry full complement of crew to ISS with 6 man version and to have 4 man version for deep space missions.
6-man version was abandoned because there is almost never a need to carry entire ISS crew in one go other than emergency evac but if that happens they would simply split into two or more groups and board separate craft. 6-man version would also need to use specialized seats for every crewmember that have to be custom built in advance like on Soyuz which makes it very complicated to make quick changes in crew roster or even seating order. 4-man version will be using adjustable seats that are slightly larger but way more practical.
4-man version also has enough room to install toilet in separate space. This is done next to entry hatch since that part is not used once crew boards the ship. Toilet system is taken out of storage, installed on the wall and plastic screen slides over to give users privacy. This may sound irrelevant but it is huge issue up there. It is in the video I linked several posts earlier.
Life support can operate lot longer on version with fewer crewmen.
There is also the fact that ISS will be getting scraped soon and that new space stations are unlikely to have larger crew complement than 6 any time soon.
SpaceX was pitching 7-man capsule to NASA but this was just advertising trick to "reduce" cost of launch per person. While it is cheaper "per person" it still does not change price of launch itself and NASA also does not need to send that many people up there at once.
And just imagine 7 people cramped in the ship with the same size and internal space as Federation. It would make Soyuz look spacious...
This all does not mean that they cannot build 6-man (or even more) "life-boat" version some day but that might be done only after standard version is brought into use.
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PapaDragon wrote: And just imagine 7 people cramped in the ship with the same size and internal space as Federation. It would make Soyuz look spacious...
In socialist times in Poland families going vacations with language in so called Fiat 126p Soyus would eb also spacious
PapaDragon wrote:
This all does not mean that they cannot build 6-man (or even more) "life-boat" version some day but that might be done only after standard version is brought into use.
So after all 6 persons version can still be revived? good,
BTW any chance about Klipper project revival?
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:
So after all 6 persons version can still be revived? good,
BTW any chance about Klipper project revival?
Not likely, Klipper is a goner.
GunshipDemocracy wrote:PapaDragon wrote: And just imagine 7 people cramped in the ship with the same size and internal space as Federation. It would make Soyuz look spacious...
In socialist times in Poland families going vacations with language in so called Fiat 126p Soyus would eb also spacious
My first experience with motion sickness and vomiting was when my family went on vacation and me and my brother had to spend 12 hours in the back seat of this torture chamber on wheels while it swerved along Adriatic coast.
Folks from this region can tell you thing or two about twists and turns on those roads.
It took me three whole decades to forget that ordeal, thanks a lot for reminding me!!!
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http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ptk_pu.html
Best landing gear out there. When will these Russians ever learn (to make America look good).
Best landing gear out there. When will these Russians ever learn (to make America look good).
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Russian space corporation to spend $900 mln for flight model of new manned spacecraft
A bidding contest envisions development of a next-generation spacecraft for flights to the low-Earth orbit and beyon the orbit
MOSCOW, September 30. /TASS/. Russia's state space corporation Roscosmos plans spending more than 57 billion rubles ($900 mln) to develop the first flight model to the next-generation Federation manned spacecraft, to trial-test it on a mission to the International Space Station and to build a second spaceship in the Federation family.
A bidding contest envisions "development of a next-generation manned transport spacecraft for flights to the low-Earth orbit and beyon the Earth's orbit, including lunar missions," says a specification for the contest Roscosmos placed at its homepage.
The contest presupposes R&D, flight testing of the lead ship of family with an unmanned orbital flight in 2021, unmanned and manned missions to the ISS in 2023, and development of a second ship in the same family.
The R&D works are expected to begin in October 2016 and to be completed in November 2025.
The manufacturing of the Federation's flight model should begin in October 2016. The winner of the bid will be expected to get down to making the assembly units of the ship for a lunar flight in January 2020 and the first flight should take place not later than November 2025.
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http://tass.com/science/903342
A bidding contest envisions development of a next-generation spacecraft for flights to the low-Earth orbit and beyon the orbit
MOSCOW, September 30. /TASS/. Russia's state space corporation Roscosmos plans spending more than 57 billion rubles ($900 mln) to develop the first flight model to the next-generation Federation manned spacecraft, to trial-test it on a mission to the International Space Station and to build a second spaceship in the Federation family.
A bidding contest envisions "development of a next-generation manned transport spacecraft for flights to the low-Earth orbit and beyon the Earth's orbit, including lunar missions," says a specification for the contest Roscosmos placed at its homepage.
The contest presupposes R&D, flight testing of the lead ship of family with an unmanned orbital flight in 2021, unmanned and manned missions to the ISS in 2023, and development of a second ship in the same family.
The R&D works are expected to begin in October 2016 and to be completed in November 2025.
The manufacturing of the Federation's flight model should begin in October 2016. The winner of the bid will be expected to get down to making the assembly units of the ship for a lunar flight in January 2020 and the first flight should take place not later than November 2025.
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http://tass.com/science/903342
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The contract to develop manned spacecraft "Federation"
Contract price 57.55672837 billion rubles, not subject to VAT.
Work should be completed by 30 November 2025.
According to the attached Terms of Reference on MF OCD, to implement mid OCD is to create a complex manned transport spacecraft (KTTC), having in its composition manned transport a new generation of craft for missions to Earth orbit and beyond low Earth orbit, including the Moon, which provides safe crew return to Earth with the second cosmic velocity, as well as the creation of the rocket-space complexes ;, providing holding LEE manned transport spacecraft in Earth orbit and flying to the moon unmanned and manned mode.
2.1.2 Flight tests (LCI-1) PTK:
- An unmanned flight to the PTK in 2021;
- PTK unmanned flight with a connection to ISS in 2023;
- PTK manned flight to dock to the ISS in 2023.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2173681.html
Contract price 57.55672837 billion rubles, not subject to VAT.
Work should be completed by 30 November 2025.
According to the attached Terms of Reference on MF OCD, to implement mid OCD is to create a complex manned transport spacecraft (KTTC), having in its composition manned transport a new generation of craft for missions to Earth orbit and beyond low Earth orbit, including the Moon, which provides safe crew return to Earth with the second cosmic velocity, as well as the creation of the rocket-space complexes ;, providing holding LEE manned transport spacecraft in Earth orbit and flying to the moon unmanned and manned mode.
2.1.2 Flight tests (LCI-1) PTK:
- An unmanned flight to the PTK in 2021;
- PTK unmanned flight with a connection to ISS in 2023;
- PTK manned flight to dock to the ISS in 2023.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2173681.html
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Unmanned Federation spacecraft to be launched from Vostochny spaceport in 2021
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